Toast Collingwood - the fastest rebuild ever

[ChristianBoy]

Why would the AFL do that and get 40,000 to 60,000 at Melbourne games, when they can give the prime timeslots to Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton and guarantee 80,000 + crowds?

Do it for as long as those clubs have had and the numbers will jump.

 

[catstorm]

I cant fathom how Geelong, who finished top 4 last year, only played 8 other top 8 teams and got a double up against both WCE and North, and Collingwood also had to play 8 top 8 teams too with no double ups of the bottom 2, after finishing 17.

I can understand and accept WCE finished 9th but North finished last. A top 4 side gets them twice and second last gets them once the following year. Odd.

Because it goes on the previous years draw.

Geelong had double ups against

Bulldogs (2nd)
Port (3rd)
West Coast (9th)
St Kilda (10th)
North (18th)

42 points if you add them up.

Collingwood got

Melbourne (1st)
Essendon (8th)
Carlton (13th)
Adelaide (15th)
Gold Coast (16th)

53 points.

Collingwoods draw was designed to be easier, the AFL can't predict that the top 3 of Geelongs double ups would under preform or that St Kilda would stagnate when most thought they would improve.

 

[Occidental]

Because it goes on the previous years draw.

Geelong had double ups against

Bulldogs (2nd)
Port (3rd)
West Coast (9th)
St Kilda (10th)
North (18th)

42 points if you add them up.

Collingwood got

Melbourne (1st)
Essendon (8th)
Carlton (13th)
Adelaide (15th)
Gold Coast (16th)

53 points.

Collingwoods draw was designed to be easier, the AFL can't predict that the top 3 of Geelongs double ups would under preform or that St Kilda would stagnate when most thought they would improve.

Yes, the side that finished 17th in 2021 had a draw designed to be easier in 2022.
It’s just like the team that comes last having the Draft designed to favour them..

 

[pz5151]

Give us 15 games at the G every year in prime times against Melbourne based teams see how long we need to sell games for then.

Just because your games are at the MCG, you aren’t going to magically develop bigger crowds. Maybe ask Zionist Joe to bail you out again so you don’t vote to send your club out of existence like last time

 

[ChristianBoy]

Just because your games are at the MCG, you aren’t going to magically develop bigger crowds. Maybe ask Zionist Joe to bail you out again so you don’t vote to send your club out of existence like last time

So you don't think if the AFL gave us every blockbuster and prime game for the next 25 years our supporter base would grow? Limit out our interstate trips and shit time slots at the same time.

 

[Obeanie1]

COULD. But aren’t. What’s with all the silly hypotheticals in this thread? Live in the real world.

Staggering mental gymnastics are needed to justify 8 close wins being “luck”. That’s not luck. That’s a clear trend.

Yep, a trend that indicates if the opposition kick one more goal next year Pies don't make the top 8.

Pies have had an outstanding year. Injury gods have been pretty good. All the old players are back firing.

If you don't think an element of luck hasn't played a part you don't know football. Most premiership sides need an element of luck along the way.

 

[Jackington]

Collingwood have been good this year, absolutely, but you can't in good faith call it a rebuild. Last year was a blip year.

13 of the 22 named for tomorrow played in a Semi-Final two years ago, and two of the nine who missed the SF are Sidebottom and Howe, who played in a preliminary final the year before.

A further two of those missing from that Semi-Final team are Brodie Grundy

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, who are both on the list and would be playing this week if fit. That's just a few list changes.

In fact, they only have one more change than Geelong have made since that same Semi-Final, and none of Geelong's ins were best 22 in 2020.

 

[upnsmoke]

Collingwood have been good this year, absolutely, but you can't in good faith call it a rebuild. Last year was a blip year.

13 of the 22 named for tomorrow played in a Semi-Final two years ago, and two of the nine who missed the SF are Sidebottom and Howe, who played in a preliminary final the year before.

A further two of those missing from that Semi-Final team are Brodie Grundy and Taylor Adams, who are both on the list and would be playing this week if fit. That's just a few list changes.

In fact, they only have one more change than Geelong have made since that same Semi-Final, and none of Geelong's ins were best 22 in 2020.

Yeah i think the Pies tanked. The veterans basically played like it was practice and trying not to get injured.

 

[pz5151]

So you don't think if the AFL gave us every blockbuster and prime game for the next 25 years our supporter base would grow? Limit out our interstate trips and s**t time slots at the same time.

Blockbusters are blockbusters because of who plays in them. The Good Friday game showed this. Can’t even sell out the Docklands despite having the time slot to themselves. Put Richmond and Collingwood on 4:40 every week and it’s still going to outdraw Melbourne

 

[doppleganger]

So you don't think if the AFL gave us every blockbuster and prime game for the next 25 years our supporter base would grow? Limit out our interstate trips and s**t time slots at the same time.

What crap.

Pies get two prime slots each year, ANZAC and QBday

Dees get two prime slots each year, ANZAC and QBday.

Collingwood turned Sunday arvo into a blockbuster slot this year. Will the Dees now request more Sunday games?

 

[Gimmeafree]

Bump

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

By definition Sydney’s has been better.


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[FourthTimeAround]

Anyone who thinks that the fixture does not make a particular season easier for some teams than others, is deluded.

it’s not deliberately easier to specific teams, of course. There are structural inequities in travel that are unavoidable. But it is flawed, and teams will benefit from good and bad draws every year. Good luck to those teams that benefit.
As Collingwood did this year. With an experienced list. Hardly a rebuild.

 

[BloodySwan]

Buckley is a shit coach and held the club back

 

[ChristianBoy]

By definition Sydney’s has been better.


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Sydney’s can’t fail the AFL had guaranteed that.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Sydney’s can’t fail

Aww thanks!


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[ChristianBoy]

Aww thanks!


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Thank the AFL

 

[Fadge]

Anyone who thinks that the fixture does not make a particular season easier for some teams than others, is deluded.

it’s not deliberately easier to specific teams, of course. There are structural inequities in travel that are unavoidable. But it is flawed, and teams will benefit from good and bad draws every year. Good luck to those teams that benefit.
As Collingwood did this year. With an experienced list. Hardly a rebuild.

OK, so how about you share some recent examples of teams who have had easier draws than others in recent times, with explanations as to why said draws are easier/harder?

Let's start with Collingwood 2022 (given you specifically mentioned them) - which team or teams had a harder draw than Collingwood, and would therefore be more deserving to finish in the top 4?

 

[ChristianBoy]

OK, so how about you share some recent examples of teams who have had easier draws than others in recent times, with explanations as to why said draws are easier/harder?

Let's start with Collingwood 2022 (given you specifically mentioned them) - which team or teams had a harder draw than Collingwood, and would therefore be more deserving to finish in the top 4?

Any team that doesn’t travel to Geelong each year by design starts a game in front.

 

[Madblue]

Not surprising to see the Pies bow out of finals once again

 

[PieLebo87]

Anyone who thinks that the fixture does not make a particular season easier for some teams than others, is deluded.

it’s not deliberately easier to specific teams, of course. There are structural inequities in travel that are unavoidable. But it is flawed, and teams will benefit from good and bad draws every year. Good luck to those teams that benefit.
As Collingwood did this year. With an experienced list. Hardly a rebuild.

Without looking at teams who missed the 8, only Dogs and Dees had a harder draw than Collingwood this year.

 

[ChristianBoy]

Without looking at teams who missed the 8, only Dogs and Dees had a harder draw than Collingwood this year.

StKilda played

Geelong once at Geelong
Sydney
Brisbane
Freo

Twice

Seems pretty hard.

 

[PieLebo87]

StKilda played

Geelong once at Geelong
Sydney
Brisbane
Freo

Twice

Seems pretty hard.

Nah, plus you’ve got NFI.

 

[big footy cyril]

Dumped their underperforming coach. Hardly a rebuild

 

[PieLebo87]

Not surprising to see the Pies bow out of finals once again

And how much do you wish you were in our position? Just admit it