List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[TOA.]

Not with that attitude.

Look, travel will always be the biggest factor, but the truth is that Perth is often cited as a great place to live, Melbourne and Sydney are increasingly being seen as difficult places to live. We can offer some of the best weather in the world, best beaches, best weekend getaways, the advantages of a big city without the disadvantages of a huge city. We can get these kids in a mansion for the price of a 4x2 in the burbs of Melbourne, get 'em a jet ski or boat. If we can't sell Perth, we aren't trying hard enough. There's a reason a lot of the kids that come over end up staying.

Ok then - How many high quality and sort after free agents have we signed to date, when we were actually half decent?

IIRC Hunt is probably our best and he wasnt sort after by other clubs and was basically on Melbourne's scrap heap after being in and out of the side.

Our history and starting point for attracting for attracting talent is basically zero and now we are one of the worst sides in history.

Only saying this to support that we can't overlook one of the best free agents ever in English, if by some miracle he wanted to come here.

 

[ziad]

Not with that attitude.

Look, travel will always be the biggest factor, but the truth is that Perth is often cited as a great place to live, Melbourne and Sydney are increasingly being seen as difficult places to live. We can offer some of the best weather in the world, best beaches, best weekend getaways, the advantages of a big city without the disadvantages of a huge city. We can get these kids in a mansion for the price of a 4x2 in the burbs of Melbourne, get 'em a jet ski or boat. If we can't sell Perth, we aren't trying hard enough. There's a reason a lot of the kids that come over end up staying.

Reasonable footballers are not living in '4 by 2's' in Melbourne or Sydney for that fact. News flash, Australia doesn't have a huge city and some like the energy of a city, which is much better if you have money as reasonable footballers do.

 

[KERRPOW]

Ok then - How many high quality and sort after free agents have we signed to date, when we were actually half decent?

IIRC Hunt is probably our best and he wasnt sort after by other clubs and was basically on Melbourne's scrap heap after being in and out of the side.

Our history and starting point for attracting for attracting talent is basically zero and now we are one of the worst sides in history.

Only saying this to support that we can't overlook one of the best free agents ever in English, if by some miracle he wanted to come here.

I cant see any gun free agent like english or taylor wanting to come to west coast.

It will be players in strong teams in/out of the side like a hunt.

 

[KERRPOW]

Is it too early to anticipate this years delistings?

Definite Delist / Retire

Josh Rotham

Alex Witherden

Andrew Gaff

Zane Trew

In the mix for Delisting

Harry Edwards

Jack Williams

Jordyn Baker

Luke Edwards

 

[eaglevision]

Is it too early to anticipate this years delistings?

Definite Delist / Retire

Josh Rotham

Alex Witherden

Andrew Gaff

Zane Trew

In the mix for Delisting

Harry Edwards

Jack Williams

Jordyn Baker

Luke Edwards

Never too early. All of those bar JWilliams are gone at a bare minimum and add JJones to the top of the list who along with Witho are the biggest imposters on the list. HEdwards may get a rookie spot if we don’t get Buss IMO.

 

[ArdentEagle]

End of the day we will be lucky to attract one maybe two free agents.

Perth is not a destination for top line free agents not born in WA.

And only McLuggage is top line in that list. Stengle is close but small forwards are the cherry on the cake.

Each would add something to the club and I would like the collective over English for example.

Perryman can play, he just needs more exposure.

Zurhaar is from WA I think.

Stengle is a gun, he'd also allow more freedom to someone like Ryan who would be amazing as a creative HBF (yes I'm still on this train too)


You might be able to sell them on a story. Be part of something magical ect.

Getting Mcluggage as the first signing and that would go a long way.


Nice to dream

 

[KERRPOW]

Never too early. All of those bar JWilliams are gone at a bare minimum and add JJones to the top of the list who along with Witho are the biggest imposters on the list. HEdwards may get a rookie spot if we don’t get Buss IMO.

The biggest imposters are Petch & cole. One can run really fast and the other is a battler.

 

[noobermensch]

Another solid performance from Smillie in a contest that his Eastern team dominated from start to finish. His normally accurate kicking was a little off, but he beasted the stoppages for the first three quarters. His stats dont look outstanding, but he ended up sitting out the 4th quarter for reasons unknown. Fingers crossed he wasnt injured.

 

[JackOutback]

Ok then - How many high quality and sort after free agents have we signed to date, when we were actually half decent?

IIRC Hunt is probably our best and he wasnt sort after by other clubs and was basically on Melbourne's scrap heap after being in and out of the side.

Our history and starting point for attracting for attracting talent is basically zero and now we are one of the worst sides in history.

Only saying this to support that we can't overlook one of the best free agents ever in English, if by some miracle he wanted to come here.

I didn't say we had. I said if we can't, we're not trying hard enough.

Reasonable footballers are not living in '4 by 2's' in Melbourne or Sydney for that fact. News flash, Australia doesn't have a huge city and some like the energy of a city, which is much better if you have money as reasonable footballers do.

The point was the cost differential. You could get something twice as nice in Perth than you can get in Melbourne (small apartment vs luxury apartment, small suburban home vs beachside townhouse etc). Geelong do well selling the country home over the Melbourne dog box. And let's not pretend AFL footballers are earning NBA salaries, even on $750,000 (before tax, limited career span), you're not really in a position to buy $10m homes.

Having been to all of Australia's cities (well, except Canberra) and lived in a genuine huge city, Perth has energy without some of the worst aspects of big cities. Post-COVID, there genuinely does seem to be a bit of a turn in Sydney and Melbourne with regards to its energy and liveability.

 

[Obeanie1]

The biggest imposters are Petch & cole. One can run really fast and the other is a battler.

At least Petch is improving.........slowly. His move to playing on ball and getting closer to the action was encouraging. He needs to keep going which isnt easy when the list is pretty average.

 

[eaglevision]

The biggest imposters are Petch & cole. One can run really fast and the other is a battler.

Cole has been woeful this year, I’ve never rated Petch and had him pinned to be delisted next year ever since his contract was signed. However I have to admit he’s been our most improved this year and has actually offered something as a point of difference. I hope he keeps it up but also would not be surprised if he reverted back to regular Petch and if that’s the case then he should be gone end of next year.

 

[Obeanie1]

Ok then - How many high quality and sort after free agents have we signed to date, when we were actually half decent?

IIRC Hunt is probably our best and he wasnt sort after by other clubs and was basically on Melbourne's scrap heap after being in and out of the side.

Our history and starting point for attracting for attracting talent is basically zero and now we are one of the worst sides in history.

Only saying this to support that we can't overlook one of the best free agents ever in English, if by some miracle he wanted to come here.

Exactly. Have mentioned this before. It is extremely rare that a quality free agent nominates to come here. I cant think of a single one. As you mentioned Hunt is it and we paid good $$$ to lure over a fringe player.

Same with Flynn. A fringe player who moved for opportunity and likely pretty decent money.

So IF English could be convinced to come across its a dead set no brainer. He likely wont but any free agent of that age and calibre we would grab without a second thought.

 

[Obeanie1]

Wouldn’t be surprised, Nth would have plenty of cap space to put an overs offer in front of him. That and some of the missing pieces for Nth are key position players so they will definitely be targeting those types.
Nth from a rebuild point of view are at least a few years in front of us and so they should be. As they continue to improve they will become more attractive as a club for players out of contract that are considering moving from a club.

Unless North offer stupid money we would match anything they put up.

Any u18 teammates playing with us ATM?

Its not that North are miles ahead in their rebuild and on the cusp of finals.

 

[Obeanie1]

I cant see any gun free agent like english or taylor wanting to come to west coast.

It will be players in strong teams in/out of the side like a hunt.

Parfitt.

 

[eaglevision]

Unless North offer stupid money we would match anything they put up.

Any u18 teammates playing with us ATM?

It’s not that North are mikes ahead in their rebuild and on the cusp of finals.

Buss and Ginbey were very close, agree I can’t understand why Buss would leave Dogs to go to North. Would have to be WA (or a VIC team who needed a HBF interceptor/distributor that is challenging or going to be challenging). Would make no sense to leave the Dogs to North of all places. I’m actually think we’ve got a very good chance of getting him home, time will tell.

 

[In The Rod We Trust]

Buss and Ginbey were very close, agree I can’t understand why Buss would leave Dogs to go to North. Would have to be WA (or a VIC team who needed a HBF interceptor/distributor that is challenging or going to be challenging). Would make no sense to leave the Dogs to North of all places. I’m actually think we’ve got a very good chance of getting him home, time will tell.

What is Busslinger going to cost us in draft capital (doubt a WC player would be involved)?

He is the player that you target at the stage Norf are at in their rebuild. They have a young Midfield and ruck and are plugging key position holes from now on.

We have holes all over the place. Not the time IMO to overpay with our picks, are they going to consider pick 30 (assumption after the stupid bids) for a previous first round talent?

 

[ziad]

At least Petch is improving.........slowly. His move to playing on ball and getting closer to the action was encouraging. He needs to keep going which isnt easy when the list is pretty average.

If he keeps improving at this rate he will be a solid WAFL player in a few years time.

 

[CountryLad]

Unless North offer stupid money we would match anything they put up.

Any u18 teammates playing with us ATM?

Its not that North are miles ahead in their rebuild and on the cusp of finals.

Don’t really see his U18 teammates as a massive draw card. He was out injured and didn’t play. Can see him potentially liking the idea of moving home to family and friends however it’s not necessarily always the case.

As for Nth not being miles in front of us in there rebuild. Well there results may not be that much better currently but they are years in front with the amount of talent they have. If Clarko and his coaching staff do a good job Nth should bounce pretty quickly from next year onwards.

Anyway all I was answering was the question as to why Nth and Buss would be a good fit for one another and I can’t see why they wouldn’t.

Hopefully if he does decide to move away from the dogs it’s back home to us.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Anyone able to get through the latest Tradies podcast without spewing? McClure has a clear vendetta against us after his terrible Harley call.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

He's a filthy click merchant, stop giving him what he wants

 

[eaglevision]

What is Busslinger going to cost us in draft capital (doubt a WC player would be involved)?

He is the player that you target at the stage Norf are at in their rebuild. They have a young Midfield and ruck and are plugging key position holes from now on.

We have holes all over the place. Not the time IMO to overpay with our picks, are they going to consider pick 30 (assumption after the stupid bids) for a previous first round talent?

2nd rounder, where in the second round depends on his year. As I’ve said without being total dickheads I hope we actually use the threat of the PSD. I think we’ll actually get the 2022 North assistance in which case those F2 and F3 for Buss and GCS R3 (which the dogs hold) would be fair (at this stage). Otherwise happy to walk him through the PSD.

 

[KERRPOW]

At least Petch is improving.........slowly. His move to playing on ball and getting closer to the action was encouraging. He needs to keep going which isnt easy when the list is pretty average.

he'd be icing on the cake in a good side.

 

[DanWCE]

Feels like list mismanagement if we are genuinely into Tim English. If we're into him this year we would have been equally into him last year. Had that been the case some conversations would have already taken place and perhaps a verbal commitment made on both sides.

So if Tim is interested in returning home to fill his pockets then I don't see why we would grab Flynn or give Baz another contract, unless the latter move is to protect our interests and increase his value.

Further to that, English's partner probably wouldn't have upped and left WA just to return a season later.

It doesn't seem to stack up unless Flynn is on peanuts with no promises of AFL games and moved across the country to potentially prop up our WAFL side.

I'm not going to be shocked if English signs on with the Dogs to chase a flag. Smells like another case of a player agent using delay tactics and media beat up to squeeze as much coin as possible out of the team. It'll just depend if there's any money left over for him.

 

[Obeanie1]

What is Busslinger going to cost us in draft capital (doubt a WC player would be involved)?

He is the player that you target at the stage Norf are at in their rebuild. They have a young Midfield and ruck and are plugging key position holes from now on.

We have holes all over the place. Not the time IMO to overpay with our picks, are they going to consider pick 30 (assumption after the stupid bids) for a previous first round talent?

He is out of contract and we look like finishing last.

A future 2nd would be generous. Or a 3rd if we are no longer playing nicely in the sandpit.

Over the journey we have traded fairly with most clubs. Bond mentioned playing the long game and not burning bridges at the trade table.

Right now looking back at our fair trading. You think did we get any benefit from playing nice? Looking at our list it could be arggued we have been far too soft at the trade table and with signing on established players to long term deals. Especially older players.

It will be very interesting with a new CEO and list manager if our behaviour changes. It should with our backs against the wall, no recent AFL assistance and the PSD threat.

 

[JackOutback]

he'd be icing on the cake in a good side.

Should have traded him when he had some value. I've never been convinced by him.

 

[eaglevision]

I don’t want to chase English or McCluggage as our primary FA strategy this year but want to maximise our salary cap position. I’d rather address multiple gaps with good players, improve the on field leadership issues and be competitive in matches and also for spots otherwise we’re just going to lose our kids. Obviously if that isn’t looking likely we need to look at other options such as marquee players.

DELIST:
Witherden, Gaff, Jones, Baker, HEdwards, Rotham, LEdwards, Trew

I’m not exactly sure what’s “market value” anymore with the salary cap increase but something along the lines of the following assuming it would pay the players on 4 year deals an extra 600-800k or so over the life of the deal than they would have received at their club otherwise. The point isn’t exact salaries, it’s front loading to use our cap position, I’m sure there are plenty on here who are more familiar with exact player salaries and what it would take to get them over.

TRADE
Busslinger (600 x 2 then 300 x 2)

FA
Cumming (1m x 1 then 550 x 3)
Perryman (1m x 1 then 550 x 3)
Haynes (600 x 1, 18 game trigger second year or well paid coaching role)
Boak (600 x 1 then well paid coaching role)

I’d be pretty happy with that for a $3.2m outlay in 2025 when we have cap space and at zero draft capital cost apart from a 2R for Buss.

R1 2025 team would be competitive
B: Duggan Barrass Perryman
HB: Haynes Gov Hough
C: Cumming Kelly Boak
HF: Cripps BWilliams Hewett
F: Ryan Allen Long
R: Flynn Yeo Reid
I: Busslinger Ginbey Maric F.O’Sullivan

Sub: Brockman

Suddenly there’s a few players Hall, Burgiel, Waterman, Chesser, Sheed, Culley etc who are missing out on a game that could add something to the team with pressure to perform should they get called up.