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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[eaglevision]

Posted in another thread if anyone is interested Sunday 10AM:
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PREVIEW | 2024 AFL U18s: Allies vs. WA

WA kicks off its 2024 Under 18 National Championships campaign against the Allies on Sunday, when the two sides meet in Blacktown.

central.rookieme.com

More accurate reflection of the line ups for those interested.

 

[Schtinker]

Who closed the poll? I was just about to make my selection!

 

[shoutsatclouds]

Draiper is the one.

He is the exact type we need to release Reid and Hewett

Caleb sarong/ zack Merritt.

…but hopefully not as punchable

 

[Obeanie1]

Posted in another thread if anyone is interested Sunday 10AM:
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12 Taj Stanley named in the centre. Can play forward or defense.

Hopefully puts on a good show for the Eagles recruiters.

 

[briztoon]

Did anyone watch the first game of the Championships? There was stuff all chat about it on here.

Here was my thoughts;

Allies:
8. Leo Lombard - Firmly in the top 5 now, he's got everything you want as midfielder. Quick and powerful, with good skills. He was best on for mine, was breaking tackles and bursting away from stoppages with ease. Bloody another GC academy product they can guarantee. He's a gun.
16. Sam Marshall - for the first 3/4's showed a bit and looked good, but his last quarter without knowing exactly I reckon he had 15 disposals, was everywhere up and down the wing. Lions academy, and they've got another beauty as a winger who runs all day and has great skills.
2. Zeke Uwland - GC academy and solid smaller back pocket/half back type who is a good runner and good by foot.
32. Jobe Shanahan - first non academy player, 194cm forward who I've been seriously impressed with coming into the champs. But was a tad quieter this game, but still had some nice moments.
34. Nathaniel Sulzberger - mid/half forward type from Tassie that showed a bit and someone to keep an eye on throughout the champs. Plays for Sandy, despite being from Tassie.
37. Josh Murphy - 190cm forward who is very good overhead and on the lead, looks a very handy footballer and had a quite a good game.
12. Taj Stanley - from the NT and was very good lead up forward or went into the midfield and won his fair share of clearances. One to definitely keep an eye out for.

SA.
2&3. Ben and Lucas Camporeale twins, both Carlton F/S. They know how to rack it up, and quite often they link up together in the same chain. Their movement around stoppages is elite and both strong runners, but their kicking action and final product isn't great. I'm really not sure how it will stack up at AFL level, it's a split second slow that may be the difference between getting caught or getting the kick away or the lead the player they are kicking too being closed down by the defender. It's not Ainsworth bad, but very noticeable.
5. Evan Bradley - I'm going the early crow on this kid, I'm a big fan. He's a small forward with some fantastic traits, kicked 4.2 for the day and was streaming away from contests at times. Good on the lead, crumbing, tackling inside 50. If he keeps this form up I think he'll be end of first rounder.
7. Draper - wasn't a best on ground performance but everything he did was very very good and he reminds me so much of Connor Rozee, and I'm a huge Rozee fan. I think Draper is my pick if we keep pick 3.
8. Kade Herbert, very solid game off a wing and showed a fair bit. Good overhead, long kicking and showed a good contested game in this game.
11. Phoenix Hargrave, very similar to Herbert in looks and game style. Had a good game, linking up and in the contest throughout.
24. Dyson Sharp, underager but very very good midfielder and was SA's best player. Breaking tackles, good overhead, by foot and hands in traffic. A mid that always finds space and time.
22. Jett Hasting - half back with a beautiful kick on him especially when dashing out of defence. One I want to watch as an option with a later pick as a half back option for us.
42. Welsh - Crows F/S was ok, bit faster than I thought but didn't have a huge impact on the game.

Interested in your thoughts on Dan Annable after you’ve watched the Championships.

 

[Avalor]

PREVIEW | 2024 AFL U18s: Allies vs. WA

WA kicks off its 2024 Under 18 National Championships campaign against the Allies on Sunday, when the two sides meet in Blacktown.

central.rookieme.com

More accurate reflection of the line ups for those interested.

yes, that's more like it.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Interested in your thoughts on Dan Annable after you’ve watched the Championships.

He looks good in tight, especially for an underager! Thought he had a reasonable game. I'll watch him a more closely tomorrow.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

12 Taj Stanley named in the centre. Can play forward or defense.

Hopefully puts on a good show for the Eagles recruiters.

I do love that versatility in his game, really liked his work late in the game within the centre.

Just on the NT, that's not part of GC zone anymore is it? Ran out a few years back from memory.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

So Draper before FOS?

I wish somehow Sharp slips to our pick next year, then again that the pick we will use if Warner does decide to come home.

 

[eaglevision]

So Draper before FOS?

I wish somehow Sharp slips to our pick next year, then again that the pick we will use if Warner does decide to come home.

No way. Top 3 pre champs are Smillie, FOS and Ashcroft. Bit of a difference between pick 2 and pick 3 this year IMO. Would absolutely love someone to go above FOS in the champs into the top 3 and leave him for us, would make the discussion around splitting the pick a little harder.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Not a draft head. But it seems early in the piece;

1. Smilie
2. Smith
3. ?

Smith seems from reports having more impact than FOS so far, but I am sure someone well adverse being draft watcher could correct me?

And that I am asking, Draper before FOS because it looks like both will be available at three IMO.

Also, there hasnt been a KPP bolting to the top yet, which could also change things and especially for Norf.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Not a draft head. But it seems early in the piece;

1. Smilie
2. Smith
3. ?

Smith seems from reports having more impact than FOS so far, but I am sure someone well adverse being draft watcher could correct me?

And that I am asking, Draper before FOS because it looks like both will be available at three IMO.

Also, there hasnt been a KPP bolting to the top yet, which could also change things and especially for Norf.

FOS is a hard one, showed a fair bit last year. But injuries this year, he hasn't had a chance to get a run of form.

Top 5 at the moment for me:

1. Smillie
GAP
2. Ashcroft
3. Smith
4. Lombard
5. Draper

FOS has the potential though to jump the que with form and rival for pick 1, he just hasn't done anything yet this year so can't currently be considered in the top 5, do I think he will be by the end of the year - absolutely.

 

[Obeanie1]

I do love that versatility in his game, really liked his work late in the game within the centre.

Just on the NT, that's not part of GC zone anymore is it? Ran out a few years back from memory.

Not 100% sure on that.

Will go ask the Suns board.

 

[eaglevision]

Not a draft head. But it seems early in the piece;

1. Smilie
2. Smith
3. ?

Smith seems from reports having more impact than FOS so far, but I am sure someone well adverse being draft watcher could correct me?

And that I am asking, Draper before FOS because it looks like both will be available at three IMO.

Also, there hasnt been a KPP bolting to the top yet, which could also change things and especially for Norf.

FOS has been out for most of the season with hand injuries so can’t compare impact. Smillie then Ashcroft have been the standouts on form. Trainor has done well going above CTL level.

Jagga got 50 touches yes and a number of them were good but if you saw the game there’s also a lot of loopy handballs, often putting a teammate into trouble and only 4 of them were inside 50s. A 50 touch game you’d hope for a few more than that. Can extract and find space very well but not as damaging as you’d hope and disposal can be sloppy. He’s an accumulator in CBAs, wings and HBF but less ball forward of centre or bursting forward of centre.

Really like Jagga and still have him in tops 5 mids but FOS still ahead for me.

Norf will want Smillie as a point of difference in their midfield but will also badly want Trainor.

 

[random260]

In terms of my order of preference
1. FOS
2. Draper
3. Trainor (if no busslinger)
Gap
4. Jagga
5. Moraes/Smillie

I just can't see a scenario where Jagga is > Draper.

 

[Schtinker]

He looks good in tights, especially for an underager!

Not interested in your sex life

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Not necessarily. It will depend on Lombard. If there’s likely to be a bid before their 1st pick then pick 3 and the trade is far more valuable to them because pick 8 and 9 would just get eaten up.

I get what you’re saying, I just think the suns could do better with that kind of deal.

 

[Gwaihir]

I wish somehow Sharp slips to our pick next year

Norf will want Smillie as a point of difference in their midfield but will also badly want Trainor.

P3 for North F1?.. basically guarantees Sharp. Not sure I’m doin it but could b some 4D chess move if Sharp battles Harley for Norm Smiths.

 

[eaglespremiers]

A lot of unfairly negative opinions of Jagga Smith in this thread.
Sure his foot skills can be suspect from time to time but he's not alone in this draft class with this weakness (even at the top end) and he's the no. 1 ball winner at Talent League level (by some margin). He's averaging 33.8 disposals, the next best is Zak Johnson (27.6 disposals), Levi Ashcroft (27.3 disposals) and Josh Smillie (27 disposals) and he regularly has clean exits from stoppages. I certainly think he's tracking at a similar level to Colby McKercher last year (who also had suspect disposal at times) where Smith is better around the clearances than McKercher but McKercher was more dynamic in forward transitions and scoreboard impact.

Smith's no. 1 issue is that he's not a bigger bodied midfielder (he's extremely skinny) and there will be questions how his skill set transitions to AFL level due to this (i.e. will he be pushed off the ball too easily). But I remember when Chesser and Hough started they both lacked sufficient muscle, however, after their 2nd pre-season they have filled out sufficiently to compete at AFL level.

TLDR I think we'd be very fortunate to select Jagga Smith at the end of the season with any pick between 3-6.

 

[WCE_phil]

A lot of unfairly negative opinions of Jagga Smith in this thread.
Sure his foot skills can be suspect from time to time but he's not alone in this draft class with this weakness (even at the top end) and he's the no. 1 ball winner at Talent League level (by some margin). He's averaging 33.8 disposals, the next best is Zak Johnson (27.6 disposals), Levi Ashcroft (27.3 disposals) and Josh Smillie (27 disposals) and he regularly has clean exits from stoppages. I certainly think he's tracking at a similar level to Colby McKercher last year (who also had suspect disposal at times) where Smith is better around the clearances than McKercher but McKercher was more dynamic in forward transitions and scoreboard impact.

Smith's no. 1 issue is that he's not a bigger bodied midfielder (he's extremely skinny) and there will be questions how his skill set transitions to AFL level due to this (i.e. will he be pushed off the ball too easily). But I remember when Chesser and Hough started they both lacked sufficient muscle, however, after their 2nd pre-season they have filled out sufficiently to compete at AFL level.

TLDR I think we'd be very fortunate to select Jagga Smith at the end of the season with any pick between 3-6.

Smith is one of the oldest in his draft class and has a very slim frame. If he had a stockier frame I wouldn't be as averse to it, I just don't think he'll be able to do what he does at CTL level at AFL level.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

P3 for North F1?.. basically guarantees Sharp. Not sure I’m doin it but could b some 4D chess move if Sharp battles Harley for Norm Smiths.

It’s an option.

You do that trade if you know Warner is not coming home and we are out of the race.

That would also help, if we wanted to split Norf’s pick in 2025 and bring Curtin home + another kid. I’d love to be a fly on a wall and seeing where this all lands but we just have to wait and see.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

From here on anyone here suggesting we split our first rounder this year gets an uppercut. We need the highest gun midfield available. Full stop.

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[flamingEMBERS]

It’s an option.

You do that trade if you know Warner is not coming home and we are out of the race.

That would also help, if we wanted to split Norf’s pick in 2025 and bring Curtin home + another kid. I’d love to be a fly on a wall and seeing where this all lands but we just have to wait and see.

*Curts

 

[eaglevision]

From here on anyone here suggesting we split our first rounder this year gets an uppercut. We need the highest gun midfield available. Full stop.

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Split the pick. Get Warner next year.

*unless FOS is available with our pick. Then we have a decision to make.

 

[JackOutback]

From here on anyone here suggesting we split our first rounder this year gets an uppercut. We need the highest gun midfield available. Full stop.

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Chad Warner is one of the highest gun midfielders in the AFL, not just the AFL National Draft. Whether we are getting him will dictate what we do otherwise.