List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

What should we do with our 1st round draft pick?

  • Finn O’Sullivan

    Votes: 57 19.0%

  • Sid Draper

    Votes: 86 28.7%

  • Josh Smillie

    Votes: 22 7.3%

  • Jagga Smith

    Votes: 34 11.3%

  • Split for best mid and Tobie Travaglia

    Votes: 46 15.3%

  • Split for best mid and Liam Baker

    Votes: 20 6.7%

  • Split for best mid and best KPD

    Votes: 4 1.3%

  • Split for best two mids

    Votes: 9 3.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 13 4.3%

  • Sam Lalor

    Votes: 9 3.0%
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    300
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Elite Pete said:
Dev would be nothing if he wanted to move on, Fagan would surely have some guilt in talking him into something 99% of footy fans could see was going to happen.

Sheldrick was who is was referring to about not costing nothing, stuck in the same situation really. Eagles only hope of a free hit trade for him is if Swans need his little bit of cash off the books and might need some points in upcoming drafts. Few academy players coming up for them but Eagles now have to budget for that too.
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Seriously?

You're blaming the coach for Robertson staying?
That's ridiculous.

You don't even know what was said.
Fagan might've said he would have limited opportunities to get a game.
You just don't know.

Blaming the coach is plain wrong.
He didn't hold a gun to his head.
 
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Tugga27 said:
Seriously?

You're blaming the coach for Robertson staying?
That's ridiculous.

You don't even know what was said.
Fagan might've said he would have limited opportunities to get a game.
You just don't know.

Blaming the coach is plain wrong.
He didn't hold a gun to his head.
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Tugga, I’m not blaming him. Dev is an adult and made his decision. A lot of people would’ve made suggestions but he made it. Just saying where he is now and what little value he has, don’t think the Lions would fight over minor picks to make him stay.

Maybe why Dees didn’t hold Grundy back and sold cheaper then value ect ect.
 
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dajesmac said:
In a very even top end cohort of mids, the one I'm really warming to is Harvey Langford. 190cm, good overhead, genuine midfielder, makes every possession count.
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I have some reservations and concerns about his lack of athleticism.
I have a suspicion that this weakness to his game will see him caught out at the next level.

Hope I am wrong as he does have some impressive traits to his game.
 
dajesmac said:
In a very even top end cohort of mids, the one I'm really warming to is Harvey Langford. 190cm, good overhead, genuine midfielder, makes every possession count.
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Would prefer Xavier Lindsay just as good left foot kick great endurance and more versatile
 
dajesmac said:
As early as pick 2-4?
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For me would have Draper first but pick 4 wouldn't mind using on him
He is the best player and captain of his club one of the very very best kicks in this draft
so yes

He is more around pick ten mark so if we can convert Barrass into another first round pick
we have a good shot at him

Sam Lalor is like the mystery pick this draft, but he is similar to Harley and needs to develop his tank
So for us going forward think a Lindsay would be a better fit for us
 
Elite Pete said:
Tugga, I’m not blaming him. Dev is an adult and made his decision. A lot of people would’ve made suggestions but he made it. Just saying where he is now and what little value he has, don’t think the Lions would fight over minor picks to make him stay.

Maybe why Dees didn’t hold Grundy back and sold cheaper then value ect ect.
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Fair enough.
But there's no cause for guilt on Fagan's behalf.
 
I think the 2 domino's needed to unlock things for WC, revolve around English and Barrass.
English comes in means Williams can go, and given the premium on talls, it's not hard to imagine he's worth a late second/early 3rd.

Barrass is likely to net WC a top 10 pick or a pick suggested earlier, 12.and 25. 25 can he sent to Richmond for Baker, whilst Williams' pick can be forwarded to WB for Garcia days change.

Leaves WC with picks 2, 12 and 23 with English, Garcia and Baker coming in for the loss of Williams and Barrass.
 
Elite Pete said:
Phil Davis on a sen show with Edmund and Tom Morris valued TB trade at picks 12 and 25
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That value works out at pick 5, which is probably fair for TB. But he is contracted so we hold the cards and if a club want him they need to pay overs not what’s fair.
But it also shows how broken the compo system is when McKay is worth pick 3 and Battle apparently could also be worth pick 5
 

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WCE_18 said:
That value works out at pick 5, which is probably fair for TB. But he is contracted so we hold the cards and if a club want him they need to pay overs not what’s fair.
But it also shows how broken the compo system is when McKay is worth pick 3 and Battle apparently could also be worth pick 5
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Thats not how pick valuing works, nobody would trade pick 5 for 12 and 25. The points system is completely irrelevant when trading and it doesnt make sense anyway

Probably pick 9/10 value realistically but depends on the draft
 
Three broad questions
1) Who gets cut
2) Who replaces them
3) How do we get the necessary picks to draft/trade the replacements

Some basic maths/logistics first
• We currently have 45 players on our list - 37 main list, 6 rookies and 2 cat B rookies. That means we have to delist at least one more player than we bring in so our list comes back to 44
• On current ladder position, our picks stand at 3,23,59 (and notionally 77,95… etc beyond that). Essentially we have 3 usable draft picks plus all of our future picks to trade
• We have 12 players without a confirmed contract for 2025 - Gaff(FA), L Edwards, Witherden, Trew(R)(FA), Jones(FA), Rotham(FA), Rawlinson(R), Baker(R), Livingstone(Cat B), H Edwards, Burgiel and Culley(R)
• From that list my only definite keepers are H Edwards and Livingstone. Burgiel is rumoured (on here) to have been given a new deal and I was happy to retain him prior to hearing of his latest hamstring injury which has raised doubts on his viability
• This is the breakdown of our existing list by age as at 31/12/25
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And broken down into bands
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First Round

At a minimum, we need to be using picks 3,23 and 59 (likely to be part of matching a bid on our NGA product, Malakai Champion) meaning four players need to be delisted. Most likely that would be Gaff, Rotham, Jones and one of Trew or L Edwards

I don’t expect any of those players will generate any trade or FA compensation value

Free Agency

We appear to be making a play to bring in Tim English as a FA which is a more enticing proposition than it was earlier in the year. Should that happen then the survivor of the first round of cuts between Edwards and Trew would need to make way

Trades Out

If English does join, then Bailey Williams looms as being surplus to requirements opening up a potential trade for a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick to use on another draftee or trade target.

Talk of Barrass being traded out is only amplifying and from a longer term list management POV it makes sense. He’s one player with the capacity to generate a high draft pick(s) that we can sort of cover with Harry Edwards and Bazzo. It’s a risk as we’d be weaker in short term and even more reliant on an aging McGovern but longer term a pick in or just outside the top 10 helps the rebuild. For mine, one high pick would be preferable to two later picks - although given the predicted depth of the draft others might prefer two picks

There’s also been some chat of clubs chasing Waterman which for now seems unlikely and perhaps unnecessary, particularly if we do trade Barrass. So I’m leaving that option out for now

Liam Ryan is the other name raised, predominantly in this thread. That option has merit if he did ask for a trade and we were able to secure a low to mid 20’s draft pick for him. Again though, that seems unlikely for now

Whilst we might be open to trades of other contracted players (Petruccelle as an example) thus far there’s been no rumours of any interest beyond those I’ve mentioned

The above would give us say pick 10 (for Barrass) and pick 40 (for Williams) and the list space to accommodate those picks

Trades In

For better or worse, the club appears to be chasing Liam Baker and are up to their necks in negotiations. Trade values are always hard to pin down but the media consensus is around a late R1 pick, which we don’t have. Ideally, we could get Richmond to accept our F2 which may or may not be feasible

Given our age profile, I think we need to find at least one other player in the 21-24 age bracket as a trade acquisition. Names most often raised here are Carroll, Sheldrick, Garcia and the recurring Robertson. The first three would likely require at least the pick we might get for Williams, maybe more, whereas Robertson might come with some combination of F3/4 picks changing hands.

The other unlikely option would be Jed Busslinger who we might target in trade negotiations if Barrass asks to join the Bulldogs

At this point, only Baker is being linked to us in any meaningful fashion however.

To make way for the above trades if they eventuate, one or more of Witherden, Baker, Rawlinson and Culley would have to be delisted. Alternatively, someone like Sheed could be encouraged to take an early retirement

Draft

Suggestions are that this is a deeper draft than recent seasons so we might consider using more than pick 59 (likely to be Champion as mentioned earlier) in the draft proper or ensure we have list space to use a pick in the rookie draft

Other Options

We could look at adding an experienced player to our list as a DFA. Without going into it too deeply two options worth considering would be Ruscoe who’s been playing well most weeks for the Beagles and Winder who’s been very good for South Fremantle after we delisted him last year.

Out>>In

• Gaff >> Reduce list size to 44
• Jones >> Pick 3
• Rotham >> Pick 23
• L Edwards >> Pick 59 (Champion)
• Trew(R) >> English(FA)
• Witherden* >> Baker (F2)
• Barrass >> Pick ~10
• B Williams >> Pick ~40
* Alternatively Baker, Rawlinson or Culley if keeping Witherden was preferred.



Either/Or

The above would leave three list openings for the best combination of the following options :

• Retain Witherden, Culley, Baker and/or Rawlinson
• Trew or L Edwards if considered a better option to retain
• Robertson (assuming he can be acquired cheaply using a future pick)
• Another late draft pick (pick 59 or later)
• A pick in the rookie draft
• Ruscoe/Winder


Other Notes

• If we don’t land English, we don’t trade Williams
• If we don’t trade Barrass, consideration has to be given to splitting our R1 pick
• Our F1 pick should be off the table unless something extraordinary is offered for it (two top 10 picks in either this years draft or next or a trade for Warner)
• With picks 3,10,23,40 or thereabouts they can be used in the draft or as part of trades for a player(s) in their early 20’s like those I mentioned provided that we still end up with at least one top 10 pick, another inside the top 15-20 and another in the top 40
• As stylish posted above securing English as a FA and trading Barrass open up possibilities for the draft that probably aren’t otherwise available
 
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Great write up Keys. Looking at the trades of Barrass and our 1R or F1 for a couple of high picks and using the ladder predictor finishes here is my phantom draft of the top 26 assuming no NGA/FS. Left hand side is as is assuming no trades. Right hand side is us getting Hawks R1 (9) and Pies R2 (26) for Barrass and we trade 2 to Freo for 6 and 11. I’d also be fine trading our F1.

Have got a bit of list need in there (eg Berry to Freo) but generally is best available which is what I assume will happen for whoever gets the GCS picks etc.

If we’re (unfortunately) that into Baker I’d expect us to use pick 26 in a trade for him, I just hope he nominates Fremantle instead.
 
Tugga27 said:
Seriously?

You're blaming the coach for Robertson staying?
That's ridiculous.

You don't even know what was said.
Fagan might've said he would have limited opportunities to get a game.
You just don't know.

Blaming the coach is plain wrong.
He didn't hold a gun to his head.
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Brisbanes list manager said he was surprised Dev chose to stay....

I think that says everything about where Brisbanes heads were at with this. Obviously Dev took a big paycut cos his girlfriend didnt want to move to Perth id say
 
Barrass doesn't enter to leave west coast. He's desperate to stay. He wants to get on the gravy train of extensions. So all this talk will be for nothing in the end.
 
Happy Mastenator said:
I haven't been following the acadmey changes, but is it correct to say we will now be able to match a bid on Malaki Champion wherever it comes? Is that the change that's been made?
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Yes, assuming the recommendation is approved by the commission which is usually a fait accompi.
 
Id be tempted to do what needs doing for 4 picks inside the top 30 which leaves Malakai Champion waiting for us with pick 59, bid would surely be at that 30-40 range

With Adelaides fall down the ladder to be below Gold Coast it probably means that if we want Sid Draper we gotta keep our pick 3 since splitting to Gold Coasts pick 6 and more will mean he is gone.
 
The late 2nd rounder, early 3rd rounder talk for Bailey Williams feels way off base. You had 5 cliubs chasing Ned Moyle before he signed on with Gold Coast. As of today if he is up for trade, Williams is the best ruck option available. We should have a few clubs lining up.

St Kildas pick 24 looks good to me. He is the perfect partner for Rowan Marshall
 
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