List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Spooky17]

Brockman unsigned? He signed a three year deal with us initially from memory?

It would seem Fox Sports hasn't got the same intel re Garcia re-signing/not.

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[eaglevision]

It’s interesting as he was criticised last year when he took over as coach of Richmond. all went down hill in a two week period where they got trounced by dogs after looking as a shoein for the role. .

Richmond then didn’t employ him despite knowing him inside out. In hindsight that could be because club didn’t know where they were at and thought he should have done better. He is also at Melbourne with all of their issues and slide downwards this year. Whilst some issues were there before he got there, you would expect some influence in rectifying.

I know we hired Simpson at 38 and MCQ is same age just wondering whether an older assistant would be better. I do like Montgomery’s extended experience. He will just be able to draw on more to help the club and young players. MCQ will need very experienced assistants.

My concern is having Richmond alumni as both head coach and list manager. You lose objectivity and having him and Clarke in such powerful positions would not be ideal, particularly in this trade period.

The first call we should make is to Choco Williams to offer a life boat out of the Melbourne dumpster fire.

 

[Bacchus]

Brockman unsigned? He signed a three year deal with us initially from memory?

Yes seemed someone just made that stuff up and didn’t check it very well

 

[ghostbat12]

My concern is having Richmond alumni as both head coach and list manager. You lose objectivity and having him and Clarke in such powerful positions would not be ideal, particularly in this trade period.

The first call we should make is to Choco Williams to offer a life boat out of the Melbourne dumpster fire.

Clarke was a recruiter. Not sure it’s that much of a problem.

Argh choco. No thanks (ok as an assistant). Too much old school.

 

[eaglevision]

Clarke was a recruiter. Not sure it’s that much of a problem.

Argh choco. No thanks (ok as an assistant). Too much old school.

Yes exactly. So two Richmond people in powerful positions making decisions on bringing Richmond players to the Eagles? No thanks.

And yes, Choc as an assistant or even better a development coach. Not head coach if that wasn’t clear.

 

[Bender_]

Tom Morris just spoke on Sen about Witherdens future … he was allegedly told a week or two before Simpson got the flick he would be getting a two year, which is now off the table .


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This sounds pretty suss to me - Morris implying that Simpson had some sort of hand in offering contracts which sounds like complete bull shit. Sure the actual list manager may have been discussing terms with Witherden and then with Simmo being sacked they've stepped and and said that discussions are on hold, otherwise Morris making a pretty big stretch on this one.

 

[eaglevision]

This sounds pretty suss to me - Morris implying that Simpson had some sort of hand in offering contracts which sounds like complete bull shit. Sure the actual list manager may have been discussing terms with Witherden and then with Simmo being sacked they've stepped and and said that discussions are on hold, otherwise Morris making a pretty big stretch on this one.

A month or two ago on gettable Witho’s manager said they’d love to have discussions with WCE but they hadn’t happened yet. I suspect his manager has put the call in to agitate the matter and Morris has willingly obliged.

 

[Big_Birdy]

This sounds pretty suss to me - Morris implying that Simpson had some sort of hand in offering contracts which sounds like complete bull shit. Sure the actual list manager may have been discussing terms with Witherden and then with Simmo being sacked they've stepped and and said that discussions are on hold, otherwise Morris making a pretty big stretch on this one.

I wouldn’t have thought the coach discussing current players with the lost manager is unusual, in fact I would think have thought it was the opposite.

Imagine singing a player for 2 years which the coach has no intention of ever playing again?

 

[mattyc75]

It’s interesting as he was criticised last year when he took over as coach of Richmond. all went down hill in a two week period where they got trounced by dogs after looking as a shoein for the role. .

Richmond then didn’t employ him despite knowing him inside out. In hindsight that could be because club didn’t know where they were at and thought he should have done better. He is also at Melbourne with all of their issues and slide downwards this year. Whilst some issues were there before he got there, you would expect some influence in rectifying.

I know we hired Simpson at 38 and MCQ is same age just wondering whether an older assistant would be better. I do like Montgomery’s extended experience. He will just be able to draw on more to help the club and young players. MCQ will need very experienced assistants.

He couldn't have done worse than Yze, and maybe half the team wouldn't be jumping ship.
Doesn't seem to be enough questions being asked about what's going on over there. Maybe the Melbourne dramas are keeping the press occupied

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[garlic munchers]

He couldn't have done worse than Yze, and maybe half the team wouldn't be jumping ship.
Doesn't seem to be enough questions being asked about what's going on over there. Maybe the Melbourne dramas are keeping the press occupied

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Half the team jumping is going to give them a draft hand that is the equivalent of 2.5 years of rebuilding in their first year of bottoming out.

We could have only wished for this.

But we had cuddles, love, on site daycare and the promises of lucrative contracts well into the mid 30's to stop anyone jumping ship.

Hell, we even created a culture where late 30 year old well paid long term contract holders, have a dummy spit when they can't renegotiate with years to run, for more money and years (said dummy spit is ironically, exactly what we need).

 

[PremiershipNo4]

He couldn't have done worse than Yze, and maybe half the team wouldn't be jumping ship.
Doesn't seem to be enough questions being asked about what's going on over there. Maybe the Melbourne dramas are keeping the press occupied

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Surely most people would understand that players leaving will generate draft picks and help to rebuild the side quickly.
It’s exactly what I hope we are focused on.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Tom Morris just spoke on Sen about Witherdens future … he was allegedly told a week or two before Simpson got the flick he would be getting a two year, which is now off the table .


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2 years for witherden is crazy . He was one of Simpson's boys .

Recon he should be delisted personally too slow to defend and not a good enough kick too carry

 

[shooshka]

Half the team jumping is going to give them a draft hand that is the equivalent of 2.5 years of rebuilding in their first year of bottoming out.

We could have only wished for this.

But we had cuddles, love, on site daycare and the promises of lucrative contracts well into the mid 30's to stop anyone jumping ship.

Hell, we even created a culture where late 30 year old well paid long term contract holders, have a dummy spit when they can't renegotiate with years to run, for more money and years (said dummy spit is ironically, exactly what we need).

Each to their own but I might give it a year or two before saying Richmond are getting their rebuild right by trading away a heap of experience (with some more retiring)

No doubt we have made some poor calls so far, but also some good ones. But the rebuild has a way to go still.

Another year like this for the Tigers and they probably replace their coach… again…. Not sure that will be great for a rebuild


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[Get_The_Gaff]

Surely most people would understand that players leaving will generate draft picks and help to rebuild the side quickly.
It’s exactly what I hope we are focused on.

North did that then had minimal experience on field. They still haven't recovered .

They have so many first rounders on their list atm but won 3 games ?

Richmond also trading out all their speed in rioli , Bolton and Baker.

They will be eating shit on the bottom of the ladder for a few years yet

 

[kerrazy]

Half the team jumping is going to give them a draft hand that is the equivalent of 2.5 years of rebuilding in their first year of bottoming out.

We could have only wished for this.

But we had cuddles, love, on site daycare and the promises of lucrative contracts well into the mid 30's to stop anyone jumping ship.

Hell, we even created a culture where late 30 year old well paid long term contract holders, have a dummy spit when they can't renegotiate with years to run, for more money and years (said dummy spit is ironically, exactly what we need).

As good as this all sounds, Bolton, Baker, Graham and Rioli are best 22 senior players with the 1st three being some of their best.

They only won 2 games this year with these players playing regularly. How do you think they will fair next year?

There's potential for it to he a good developmental year just as much as there is potential for them to become Norf 2.0

You can't go too much the other way.

 

[mattyc75]

Half the team jumping is going to give them a draft hand that is the equivalent of 2.5 years of rebuilding in their first year of bottoming out.

We could have only wished for this.

But we had cuddles, love, on site daycare and the promises of lucrative contracts well into the mid 30's to stop anyone jumping ship.

Hell, we even created a culture where late 30 year old well paid long term contract holders, have a dummy spit when they can't renegotiate with years to run, for more money and years (said dummy spit is ironically, exactly what we need).

Yeah I get it'll potentially help the club but the guys who are leaving aren't in their 30s.
When so many players want to leave at once there must be a problem

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[mat11]

I'm not sure why you're calling someone a dick for having a fair concern regarding their technique for the most important skill. If Hawks win (possible) and Davis plays another very good game we will need that barass pick for him. We need to nail every pick this year especially after losing barass, every prospect should be critiqued harshly

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Davis to me, likes to use his speed and often is kicking whilst at full tilt. I think his skills are great, he's managed to master kicking at full speed. If you compare to Tsatas who does the same, he can't balance himself for the end product.

 

[Andyy]

(I come in peace).

If Bolton is traded to Freo for P9 + P10, how would WCE fans feel about Baker + P9 for P3 + P23?

Talk indicates that Barrass will go to Hawks for P12.

So would be:
Out - Barrass, 3, 23
In - Baker, 9, 12

 

[ronpingwins]

(I come in peace).

If Bolton is traded to Freo for P9 + P10, how would WCE fans feel about Baker + P9 for P3 + P23?

Talk indicates that Barrass will go to Hawks for P12.

So would be:
Out - Barrass, 3, 23
In - Baker, 9, 12

Haha

 

[Big_Birdy]

(I come in peace).

If Bolton is traded to Freo for P9 + P10, how would WCE fans feel about Baker + P9 for P3 + P23?

Talk indicates that Barrass will go to Hawks for P12.

So would be:
Out - Barrass, 3, 23
In - Baker, 9, 12

We aren't giving 23 and a 6 pick top 10 downgrade for Baker.

Pick 23 is pretty much enough on its own, but the pick swaps to give it a bit of extra mayo will be after pick 23, not before it and certainly not in the top 10.

*obviously this all assumes we aren't stupid.

 

[MCMUFFIN]

(I come in peace).

If Bolton is traded to Freo for P9 + P10, how would WCE fans feel about Baker + P9 for P3 + P23?

Talk indicates that Barrass will go to Hawks for P12.

So would be:
Out - Barrass, 3, 23
In - Baker, 9, 12

(I come in peace).

If Bolton is traded to Freo for P9 + P10, how would WCE fans feel about Baker + P9 for P3 + P23?

Talk indicates that Barrass will go to Hawks for P12.

So would be:
Out - Barrass, 3, 23
In - Baker, 9, 12

Horrific.
Pick 3 for 9+12 would be pushing it let alone swapping Baker for Barrass and sending back 23 aswell.
TB is contracted, the pick/s we get from the Hawks need to be protected and used in this draft, especially R1.

 

[DanWCE]

(I come in peace).

If Bolton is traded to Freo for P9 + P10, how would WCE fans feel about Baker + P9 for P3 + P23?

Talk indicates that Barrass will go to Hawks for P12.

So would be:
Out - Barrass, 3, 23
In - Baker, 9, 12

Stop bathing in Fox Sports trade propaganda

 

[Doashuey]

(I come in peace).

If Bolton is traded to Freo for P9 + P10, how would WCE fans feel about Baker + P9 for P3 + P23?

Talk indicates that Barrass will go to Hawks for P12.

So would be:
Out - Barrass, 3, 23
In - Baker, 9, 12

The overrating of Baker by Tigers supporters is comical.

Most WC supporters wouldn't support P23 in a straight swap for him. To then take a 6 pick down grade on our 1st is laughable.

We need the highest ranked youngsters we can get and heaps of them. We dont need a role playing utilitiy who's prime is now in the rearview mirror at the expense of high draft picks.

I think you have us confused with Gold Coast.

 

[bUCKET__]

Hopefully Baker sees all the deluded love he's getting from Tiger supporters right now and decides to stay put to bask in it for a little longer