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  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."







 
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Tad glass half empty approach there tho.
Sounds like Hawks will satisfy us regardless of where they finish this year with something on top of their R1, Darling will more than likely go for what a late 3rd rounder?
Even if all went pear shaped as you said, if Clarke and co aren't aggressive in getting more picks in they may as well pack up and leave.
From the snippets Phil etc are giving us we are going to be aggressive and need to be so we don't get dicked when Tassie come in like we did ala Gold Coast draft 2010.

Yeah not wrong, it's probably worst case scenario, but also not exactly far fetched either.

With Hawthorn on a successful run most clubs can only dream of and pushing hard into finals.. it could be the gap between how much they want/need Barrass and our asking price just widens.

It's not like them being successful should suddenly change what we're willing to part with our contracted vice captain for.



That said, if it does pan out that he stays, with our lame draft hand we'd have to really get creative with building our list. Moneyball approach. Got cash spare but no picks.

Get that moron Dev over for a late pick for starters, then see what teams are squeezed for salary and see if we can take a player plus a pick off someone, ala Bowes to Geelong.

Other than that, we'd have to just focus on what DFA's are available.
 
I recall when an uncontracted TK requested a trade to WCE that Geelong and VIC media made the point that if he wants to go home there are two WA clubs so the Cats will trade him to the highest bidder.

I can only assume this applies even more so for a contracted TB wanting to go home to VIC where there are ten clubs for WCE to choose from.

Let’s open the bidding at a pick inside the top 10…

Saints just lost Battle, have cap space and pick 7 plus compo. Moorabbin is right next door to the Hawks new home at Dingley ??
 
If the Hawks pull out or give us a take it or leave it offer, hopefully we do shop him around if all bridges are burnt.
His manager will seek other destinations if a trade can’t be accomplished.

It will be up to the Hawks to try and get a deal done if we require a higher pick with likely the Suns, Brissy or Dons
 
Keep that War Chest or as I like to call it ‘Warner Chest’ ready for next year $$
If we are after Warner, it has to be two firsts for Barrass, even if we're sending multiple picks back the other way.
 

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Surely now even the Victorian media can't twist themselves into saying Barrass is worth Hawthorn's 1st round pick.

And it seems to confirm that Scott Burns and Sam Mitchell's time with us helped a bit towards the 2018 Premiership.

No-one would say any 1 person was the sole (or even main) reason we won... it is way too complex for that. Same as the blame for the position we have been in for the last few yesrs.

Just pointing out that supposedly Burns had a big part in the "web" tactics and Mitchell proved our midfield.

Think you’re getting Burns muddled up with Hickmott

Scott Burns applied for the senior coaching position in 2013 being an assistant at the club under Worsfold. Left after missing the job so never worked with Simpson

Hickmott was the backline coach in 2015 who helped with the Weagles Web and was then midfield coach in 2018.

Mitchell was a first year midfield development coach in 2018
 
And THAT is what we need for pick 3.

That is how you fast forward a rebuild.
It's also an unrealistic trade for any team that isn't Gold Coast and maybe GWS
 
Probably should be asking for 14+F1 anyway. 14 has the potential to drop back to 17 with Suns matching Lombard, Saints Battle compo and possible Dons matching Kako.

Else, like others mentioned, tell Hawks they need a top 10 pick and it's up to them to work it out. They've offered TB 4 years with a easy trigger for 5 on big money, so they clearly want him.
 
Lets be insane for a moment

What would a club give us for our future 1st rounder? Is it too out of the question to say Richmond give us say pick 9,39 and Baker for our Future 1st + 23

If we say Bakers value is a pick 15 then points wise it would be 1900 points back for us which is like pick 5

Provided we finished bottom 5 which Richmond would bank on they would be okay to not stack all the picks in one draft and pick next year while turning Baker into the kind of asset they want him to be draft pick wise
Do you even go for west coast? Giving up our future first.... delusional
 
I don't think that's fair.
Barnett was the stand out underage ruck in 2022 just as much as Dodson is this year.
If people are now writing him off (which IMO is still too early to do) I think that's more down to development rather than the selection at the time he was drafted.
Was always weak bodied like English. Has underperformed so far but we should still have hope!
 
If we are after Warner, it has to be two firsts for Barrass, even if we're sending multiple picks back the other way.
That is why in some ways this year makes more sense for a Warner trade than next year as both WCE and Freo should have significant draft capital to trade. Hopefully Freo tie up all their picks and salary cap in Bolton (and fingers crossed Baker) leaving us in the best position for Warner.

But would Sydney be satisfied with just draft picks while pushing for a flag and losing a young AA mid? If they want players included then TB would’ve been perfect, but now all we could really offer is Flyin’ who I’m not sure they need with some decent small forwards already. Not to mention he would have to agree to go to Sydney.
 
That is why in some ways this year makes more sense for a Warner trade than next year as both WCE and Freo should have significant draft capital to trade. Hopefully Freo tie up all their picks and salary cap in Bolton (and fingers crossed Baker) leaving us in the best position for Warner.

But would Sydney be satisfied with just draft picks while pushing for a flag and losing a young AA mid? If they want players included then TB would’ve been perfect, but now all we could really offer is Flyin’ who I’m not sure they need with some decent small forwards already. Not to mention he would have to agree to go to Sydney.
I get the impression that family is a greater pull than destination for Barrass, and I don't see Warner leaving Sydney this year unless they win a flag, which renders the first point moot anyway.
 

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