List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[ziad]

But how much is recruitment vs lack of development?

Impossible to ever answer but it's probably somewhere in between

80% recruitment aș a minimum.

 

[ziad]

Perhaps so but Hawthorn's pick is now, at best, pick 13.

Hawks are buying, they either cobble together and attractive package (trades etc) of we don't sell. I have no particular regard for Barrass- he has been supported and paid well. He signed and we accepted.

 

[Peptide Pig]

Next year, if WCE can't get significant players in through trade everyone gets front loaded next year and the club uses pick purchasing to cover the 4 million off in cap space that will be available for 2026.

Keep that War Chest or as I like to call it ‘Warner Chest’ ready for next year $$

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

If the Hawks pull out or give us a take it or leave it offer, hopefully we do shop him around if all bridges are burnt.

 

[amazingjoshy]

80% recruitment aș a minimum.

In your opinion

 

[Dark Sharks]

Tad glass half empty approach there tho.
Sounds like Hawks will satisfy us regardless of where they finish this year with something on top of their R1, Darling will more than likely go for what a late 3rd rounder?
Even if all went pear shaped as you said, if Clarke and co aren't aggressive in getting more picks in they may as well pack up and leave.
From the snippets Phil etc are giving us we are going to be aggressive and need to be so we don't get dicked when Tassie come in like we did ala Gold Coast draft 2010.

Yeah not wrong, it's probably worst case scenario, but also not exactly far fetched either.

With Hawthorn on a successful run most clubs can only dream of and pushing hard into finals.. it could be the gap between how much they want/need Barrass and our asking price just widens.

It's not like them being successful should suddenly change what we're willing to part with our contracted vice captain for.



That said, if it does pan out that he stays, with our lame draft hand we'd have to really get creative with building our list. Moneyball approach. Got cash spare but no picks.

Get that moron Dev over for a late pick for starters, then see what teams are squeezed for salary and see if we can take a player plus a pick off someone, ala Bowes to Geelong.

Other than that, we'd have to just focus on what DFA's are available.

 

[Peptide Pig]

I recall when an uncontracted TK requested a trade to WCE that Geelong and VIC media made the point that if he wants to go home there are two WA clubs so the Cats will trade him to the highest bidder.

I can only assume this applies even more so for a contracted TB wanting to go home to VIC where there are ten clubs for WCE to choose from.

Let’s open the bidding at a pick inside the top 10…

Saints just lost Battle, have cap space and pick 7 plus compo. Moorabbin is right next door to the Hawks new home at Dingley ??

 

[Elite Pete]

If the Hawks pull out or give us a take it or leave it offer, hopefully we do shop him around if all bridges are burnt.

His manager will seek other destinations if a trade can’t be accomplished.

It will be up to the Hawks to try and get a deal done if we require a higher pick with likely the Suns, Brissy or Dons

 

[WCE_phil]

Now we want the Hawks to make the prelims because then the cost becomes first and future firmest.

Then get destroyed by a tall forward hin the prelim.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Then get destroyed by a tall forward hin the prelim.

Hopefully they're playing the Giants then because the Swans don't have any likely to do that

 

[ziad]

In your opinion

Based on a wide analysis of social media inputs and common sense - Innate ability - you have it or you don't. That ability is then fine tuned through development.

 

[Barrybran]

Keep that War Chest or as I like to call it ‘Warner Chest’ ready for next year $$

If we are after Warner, it has to be two firsts for Barrass, even if we're sending multiple picks back the other way.

 

[Obeanie1]

Real shame they don’t have their 1R. To revisit the trade, WBD traded pick 10, 17 and 11/12 for 4, 46 and 51 from the Suns. Yuk.

And THAT is what we need for pick 3.

That is how you fast forward a rebuild.

 

[Obeanie1]

If the Hawks pull out or give us a take it or leave it offer, hopefully we do shop him around if all bridges are burnt.

Thet stated they wont be playing hardball with this trade.

They know he is contracted and have close to zero negotiating power.

 

[Keys]

Surely now even the Victorian media can't twist themselves into saying Barrass is worth Hawthorn's 1st round pick.

And it seems to confirm that Scott Burns and Sam Mitchell's time with us helped a bit towards the 2018 Premiership.

No-one would say any 1 person was the sole (or even main) reason we won... it is way too complex for that. Same as the blame for the position we have been in for the last few yesrs.

Just pointing out that supposedly Burns had a big part in the "web" tactics and Mitchell proved our midfield.

Think you’re getting Burns muddled up with Hickmott

Scott Burns applied for the senior coaching position in 2013 being an assistant at the club under Worsfold. Left after missing the job so never worked with Simpson

Hickmott was the backline coach in 2015 who helped with the Weagles Web and was then midfield coach in 2018.

Mitchell was a first year midfield development coach in 2018

 

[Barrybran]

And THAT is what we need for pick 3.

That is how you fast forward a rebuild.

It's also an unrealistic trade for any team that isn't Gold Coast and maybe GWS

 

[WCE_phil]

Hoping for Tauru with Barrass pick

Tauru with pick 13-16..... That's some reach.

 

[Chase1ne]

Probably should be asking for 14+F1 anyway. 14 has the potential to drop back to 17 with Suns matching Lombard, Saints Battle compo and possible Dons matching Kako.

Else, like others mentioned, tell Hawks they need a top 10 pick and it's up to them to work it out. They've offered TB 4 years with a easy trigger for 5 on big money, so they clearly want him.

 

[Wight Wolf]

Lets be insane for a moment

What would a club give us for our future 1st rounder? Is it too out of the question to say Richmond give us say pick 9,39 and Baker for our Future 1st + 23

If we say Bakers value is a pick 15 then points wise it would be 1900 points back for us which is like pick 5

Provided we finished bottom 5 which Richmond would bank on they would be okay to not stack all the picks in one draft and pick next year while turning Baker into the kind of asset they want him to be draft pick wise

Do you even go for west coast? Giving up our future first.... delusional

 

[WCE_phil]

Have fun peeps, off to watch Swans vs Giants.

 

[mat11]

Have fun peeps, off to watch Swans vs Giants.

Off to watch peatling?

 

[dinnaz]

I don't think that's fair.
Barnett was the stand out underage ruck in 2022 just as much as Dodson is this year.
If people are now writing him off (which IMO is still too early to do) I think that's more down to development rather than the selection at the time he was drafted.

Was always weak bodied like English. Has underperformed so far but we should still have hope!

 

[Peptide Pig]

If we are after Warner, it has to be two firsts for Barrass, even if we're sending multiple picks back the other way.

That is why in some ways this year makes more sense for a Warner trade than next year as both WCE and Freo should have significant draft capital to trade. Hopefully Freo tie up all their picks and salary cap in Bolton (and fingers crossed Baker) leaving us in the best position for Warner.

But would Sydney be satisfied with just draft picks while pushing for a flag and losing a young AA mid? If they want players included then TB would’ve been perfect, but now all we could really offer is Flyin’ who I’m not sure they need with some decent small forwards already. Not to mention he would have to agree to go to Sydney.

 

[ziad]

Thet stated they wont be playing hardball with this trade.

They know he is contracted and have close to zero negotiating power.

They all say that until the time comes

 

[Barrybran]

That is why in some ways this year makes more sense for a Warner trade than next year as both WCE and Freo should have significant draft capital to trade. Hopefully Freo tie up all their picks and salary cap in Bolton (and fingers crossed Baker) leaving us in the best position for Warner.

But would Sydney be satisfied with just draft picks while pushing for a flag and losing a young AA mid? If they want players included then TB would’ve been perfect, but now all we could really offer is Flyin’ who I’m not sure they need with some decent small forwards already. Not to mention he would have to agree to go to Sydney.

I get the impression that family is a greater pull than destination for Barrass, and I don't see Warner leaving Sydney this year unless they win a flag, which renders the first point moot anyway.