List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Big_Birdy]

The classic one everyone forgets, and granted he is a good player (and hindsight helps with what Waterman did this year) is we were trying to trade up to get Cadman rather than down to get Ginbey/Hewett.

We only did the split pick after it was obvious GWS were getting ahead of us and taking Cadman.

For all of the teeth gnashing around here about Ginbey being a HB rather than mid, and Hewett struggling to get on the park, imagine if we had yet another KPF on our list


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If we took Cadman no way we take Archer

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

If we took Cadman no way we take Archer

That might mean we might have taken Cooper Simpson instead at 30 and held onto this year's 3rd round pick with Hall not required.
Unsure who we'd take at 40.
McAuliffe, Murphy and Freijah all available.

 

[eaglevision]

Can the Baker supporters explain what footballing attributes they see that makes him worthy of trading a top 3 pick down or even just pick 23?

His main attributes are speed and agility which are generally the first to go with age. He’s got the absolute best out of his ability due to being plugged into a system that essentially relied on players scrambling the ball forward at all costs with minimal regard to precise disposal.

This year he attended over a third (35%) of CBAs for an average of one centre clearance a match at the feet of a ruckman averaging over 30 hit outs a match.

He has a kicking efficiency of 56% and a disposal efficiency of 65% which is the last thing we need running out of the backline or going into F50.

He’s kicked 14 goals for the year and with Ryan, Long, Brockman and soon Champion on the list the forward line is the last third we need to reinforce.

Where is the need for a high priced 27 year old 173cm utility, particularly in a deep draft?

 

[WCE_phil]

I can't say much but and it may not happen but a lot of work has gone into making sure pick 3 is used on a much higher caliber player than Baker.

The clubs has quite a few trade targets. Hopefully get a couple over the line but still want 2 picks inside the top 20 of the draft.

 

[JackOutback]

Johnson over chesser for 1 .

Ginbey and Hewett are fine .

Brander WTF were we thinking

Venables?

So many left field first round picks that went against the grain and group consensus.

Johnson’s hardly been tearing it up. If we had him on the list instead of Chesser, people would be calling him a bust.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I think the pick downgrade only works if it’s 3 to 6 and the Eagles feel you could throw a blanket over the kids in that range. It gets more speculative once you’re down to 9 or 10. If we think we’re getting a kid at 6 largely as good as 3, plus Baker, we’ll be doing alright.

Yep has to be 6, in front of Saints. As they'll likely get extra first rounder (absolutely ridiculous BTW).

But only if the deal gets done.

 

[mat11]

I agree getting in those 3rd round and 4th round picks would be very useful.
My trades for the offseason:

Jack Darling for 40 from North.
Petch for 47 from Richmond
Barnett for Pick 42 from Adelaide.
Barras and future 2nd for Picks 14 (Could change even more probs will), F1, and 30.
We could even trade 3 down to Adelaide on draft night if they are desperate for Sid Draper which I would if it to happen it would look like 3 for 4 and 25 but I would prefer for us to pick Sid but that is just an option to generate more picks.
That in the end leaves us with picks:
3 Sid Draper
14 Tobie Travaglia
23 Alix Taura
30 Noah Mraz
40 Hamish Davis (must get him)
42 Kale Gerynn
47 and 59 suck up in Champion bid.
Probably rookie draft a good state ruck to fill the void of our bad rucks

This is where I'm currently at,

3 - finn/langford/draper
8 - lalor/travaglia/lingsay/berry
23 - peatling
40 - dennis/ofarrel/mraz
49/59 - malakia bid

Get 13-15 and Hawks f1 from barass and offer it to essendon for pick 8. Pick 40 from darling. Get peatling and pick 49 from our pick 23. Gerryn looks awesome, only concern he's not tall enough to ruck and we have ample kpf. If miss out on peatling maybe davis or baker. Another 4th rounder from petch for knobel or dev

 

[russ]

would we go after kennedy if he's disgruntled at the blues

 

[mat11]

Can the Baker supporters explain what footballing attributes they see that makes him worthy of trading a top 3 pick down or even just pick 23?

His main attributes are speed and agility which are generally the first to go with age. He’s got the absolute best out of his ability due to being plugged into a system that essentially relied on players scrambling the ball forward at all costs with minimal regard to precise disposal.

This year he attended over a third (35%) of CBAs for an average of one centre clearance a match at the feet of a ruckman averaging over 30 hit outs a match.

He has a kicking efficiency of 56% and a disposal efficiency of 65% which is the last thing we need running out of the backline or going into F50.

He’s kicked 14 goals for the year and with Ryan, Long, Brockman and soon Champion on the list the forward line is the last third we need to reinforce.

Where is the need for a high priced 27 year old 173cm utility, particularly in a deep draft?

I think another mature age player L.baker/J.peatling at the expense of our R2 wouldn't be the end of the world if it unlocks/protects HR9 further. I'd like to think we should have 2 very good picks inside top 15, we could prob spare 23 for a role player idk just my thoughts

 

[Tugga27]

My point was mainly Eddies reaction of "pfftt yeah rightio"

as in who would want Darling.



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I've told you, he's been linked to North.
FFS.

Rival Vic club comes after veteran AFL forward

The 32-year-old is seen as gettable after sliding in the pecking order.

7news.com.au

 

[eaglevision]

Watching the game last night the Blues need another key defender and definitely need speed. If the Hawks aren’t playing ball Barrass and Petruccelle for 11, 31 and Carroll would be a deal worth pursuing, we could also help out with salary cap and nice to have Gov jnr there.

 

[eaglevision]

I think another mature age player L.baker/J.peatling at the expense of our R2 wouldn't be the end of the world if it unlocks/protects HR9 further. I'd like to think we should have 2 very good picks inside top 15, we could prob spare 23 for a role player idk just my thoughts

Peatling I can understand where he fits into our setup and how he can unlock the strengths of other players. The point to the post was where does Baker fit? There are plenty of low/no cost mature age players we can bring in. Why specifically Baker?

 

[rebel23]

I'm not sure about Baker... Good player but doesn't really have a defined position... Is he a back pocket or forward flanker... Or tagger...

Bit of a risk to get him at a high trade price without really knowing what to do with him.

 

[Cuzz09]

I've told you, he's been linked to North.
FFS.

Rival Vic club comes after veteran AFL forward

The 32-year-old is seen as gettable after sliding in the pecking order.

7news.com.au

Yeah you asked, I answered

Mr Grumpy

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[timeforanother22]

I can't say much but and it may not happen but a lot of work has gone into making sure pick 3 is used on a much higher caliber player than Baker.

The clubs has quite a few trade targets. Hopefully get a couple over the line but still want 2 picks inside the top 20 of the draft.

We are getting Chad!

 

[mat11]

Peatling I can understand where he fits into our setup and how he can unlock the strengths of other players. The point to the post was where does Baker fit? There are plenty of low/no cost mature age players we can bring in. Why specifically Baker?

Barass' trade value has amplified with Hawks ability to free up sicily/weddle/hardwick could you argue if we bring in baker duggan/Hough/ginbey can rotate through the Midfield without throwing out to much of our structure.

 

[Bacchus]

I've told you, he's been linked to North.
FFS.

Rival Vic club comes after veteran AFL forward

The 32-year-old is seen as gettable after sliding in the pecking order.

7news.com.au

Darling would conceivably improve a number of Vic clubs including Collingwood.
Collingwood currently have a broken down Dan McStay and a passed his use by date Brady Mihocek as their kpfs.
Frequently use WHE as a fill in. Not that funny at all.

 

[RanaNaved]

Johnson’s hardly been tearing it up. If we had him on the list instead of Chesser, people would be calling him a bust.

We definitely would. His decision making is very questionable, he tries to do too much and often gets caught holding the ball or gives teammates hospital handballs

 

[russ]

We definitely would. His decision making is very questionable, he tries to do too much and often gets caught holding the ball or gives teammates hospital handballs

yep, crab

 

[eaglevision]

Barass' trade value has amplified with Hawks ability to free up sicily/weddle/hardwick could you argue if we bring in baker duggan/Hough/ginbey can rotate through the Midfield without throwing out to much of our structure.

You could make that argument for any mature body. Dev, Graham etc anyone that’s low or no cost. Why Baker specifically? If the insinuation is we fits into a HBF/mid rotation then we arrive back at the rubbish kicking efficiency. Exactly what we have all been complaining about coming out of D50 all year and what we don’t need.

 

[Barrybran]

Peatling I can understand where he fits into our setup and how he can unlock the strengths of other players. The point to the post was where does Baker fit? There are plenty of low/no cost mature age players we can bring in. Why specifically Baker?

I'm not sure about Baker... Good player but doesn't really have a defined position... Is he a back pocket or forward flanker... Or tagger...

Bit of a risk to get him at a high trade price without really knowing what to do with him.

Cripps replacement who can also chop out in the middle or down back if we have injuries. Like Jayden Hunt, he'd be there to fill a role while the kids come on.

 

[new breed]

Leadership with Baker also .

 

[eaglevision]

Cripps replacement who can also chop out in the middle or down back if we have injuries. Like Jayden Hunt, he'd be there to fill a role while the kids come on.

Excellent comparison but difference being Hunt was free of draft capital. Would anyone have traded pick 23 for him or split pick 3? Parfitt (different role) is free of draft capital, Graham is free of draft capital and we still have Cripps for another year with another batch of free agents at the end of next year

 

[Keys]

The catastrophising over a theoretical trade by a known numpty Victorian journalist for a player who has yet to announce his intentions so seek a trade, let alone nominate us is next level

Take a Bex and have a lie down some of you. There’s 4 weeks to go before the trade period starts so save your melts until something actually happens

The club hasn’t said anything much at all other than to say they want to bring in as much talent as possible using all the levers available to them with a priority on using high end draft picks. Sounds like a solid base strategy

And using the post by WCE_phil as a guide, there’s work being done behind the scenes to achieve those goals. If they’re ambitious, they may not eventuate but at least we’re having a throw at the stumps

Judge the trades when they happen, who knows we might be pleasantly surprised

 

[eaglevision]

The catastrophising over a theoretical trade by a known numpty Victorian journalist for a player who has yet to announce his intentions so seek a trade, let alone nominate us is next level

Not sure if that included my original post but the point is not the nuances of the trade the point is asking what people see Baker actually bringing into the system. Peatling for example is obvious. Baker is not. At least to me.

“Leadership”, “hardness” etc are all things we can find at low or no cost if we’re just looking for a body to protect younger players.