List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[garlic munchers]

View attachment 2106932

Yes.

 

[Dark Sharks]

5th round pick for baker, after all tigers want him off their books.

It's a lot, but we got Rawlinson in the rookie draft and also clay hall, so the deal is basically neutralized.

Go post this exact thing on that flogs insta/twitter and whatever ever other bullshit account please.

 

[BartBart]

From Fox Footy:

BARRASS TRADE DETAILS REVEALED

West Coast Eagles superstar Tom Barrass has requested a trade to Hawthorn, but how will a deal get done?

According to the Herald Sun’s Jay Clark, Hawthorn will need to give up two first round picks to secure the star Eagles defender.

“They want two first round picks the Eagles. I know that sounds like a lot for a 28-year-old key defender, he’s going to be 29 by the start of next season, but the Hawks are in a tricky position here for two reasons,” Clark told Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle.


“A, he’s contracted which gives West Coast the upper hand and B, because of the Hawks’ rise their first-round picks keep shuffling back. By the time we get the Academy picks, the father-son, the free agency compensation, that could slide right back to 18, 19, 20 plus potentially,” he said.

“That on its own we know is not going to satisfy West Coast for Tom Barrass who is one of the best key defenders in the competition.

“This is what’s going to happen. West Coast is going to ask for two first round picks. The Hawks’ first this year and their first next year and then potentially give a second round back. Hawthorn’s first round pick next year essentially becomes West Coast’s second round pick which will be early in the 20s, a bit of a pick slide but the part which will irk Hawthorn fans and Hawthorn list management chiefs is two first round picks, that’s a lot on the surface. Optically that’s good for West Coast because he’s a contracted player.”

Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph though the trade was too much from a Hawthorn perspective.

“It’s too much because West Coast want him off their books. They want to get into the draft early on and Hawthorn’s desperate for him and they’ve got players like Calsher Dear in the 50s, Nick Watson’s going to be a gun, and they brought in players like Ginnivan and that deal itself is going to neutralize,” he said.

“So, both sides will have leverage, if you’re Hawthorn you’re getting that deal done because as much as we all love Sam Frost, you’re bringing in this interceptor that turns you into an even better and maybe the best defence in the competition.”

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Please somebody translate what the hell Jon Ralph is talking about there?

That’s just confusing.

It’s too much for Hawthorn to pay because the Eagles ‘want him off their books’? - something pretty much only he has now suggested surely? I think the Eagles are happy with Barrass on the books on the contract he signed, just not on a longer, more expensive contract, which they are well within their rights to do, given it has 3 more years to run.

Hawthorn are desperate for him because they’ve got Calsher Dear and Nick Watson and…Ginnivan? and that will ‘neutralize’ the deal? What does that mean?

It’s too much but they will do it because they’ve drafted well (I think?)…. but also both sides have leverage?

Using the Richmond supporting journalists logic Richmond must also be desperate to get Rioli off their books so GC should just offer their 2nd round pick.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Real late to the party on this. Ralphy spitballing saying 'Hey North, absorb 600k of his 800k contract and we'll take back pick 30' I would f*cking walk Jack out the door for that, lolll

North fans had to have melted over that.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Sid Draper looks an absolute ripper in the middle, he’s got those dancing feet and serious swervability.
I’d be very happy with him in the blue and yellow.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Sid Draper looks an absolute ripper in the middle, he’s got those dancing feet and serious swervability.
I’d be very happy with him in the blue and yellow.

Won’t Adelaide just trade up to 2 and grab him before us anyway?

4 and F1 for 2 and F2?

 

[Shueygod]

Won’t Adelaide just trade up to 2 and grab him before us anyway?

4 and F1 for 2 and F2?

No way would they pay that much.

 

[Altum Volantes]

No way would they pay that much.

They shelled out for Daniel Curtin.

They’d be backing themselves to get better (they’ll think finals) and North to get not that much better so it’s not really a massive gamble if they think he is absolutely their guy.

Plus has to be worth Norths time.

 

[bzparkes]

They shelled out for Daniel Curtin.

They’d be backing themselves to get better (they’ll think finals) and North to get not that much better so it’s not really a massive gamble if they think he is absolutely their guy.

Plus has to be worth Norths time.

Huh? They took Curtin at their normal pick, they didn't 'shell' out for him.

 

[Art OF war]

Western Bulldogs have identified this draft as an absolute ripper and are doing everything they can to get a large piece of it.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Huh? They took Curtin at their normal pick, they didn't 'shell' out for him.

No they didn’t?

They traded up with GWS to take him at 8 (which was originally Richmond’s first).

 

[Altum Volantes]

Western Bulldogs have identified this draft as an absolute ripper and are doing everything they can to get a large piece of it.

Translation: ‘All our players want to leave and we just spent all our money on Tim English’

 

[bzparkes]

No they didn’t?

They traded up with GWS to take him at 8 (which was originally Richmond’s first).

Did they?

Well, that means they aren't giving him up to get Draper, like some others here seem to think.

 

[Off Tap]

Won’t Adelaide just trade up to 2 and grab him before us anyway?

4 and F1 for 2 and F2?

Reading through the draft thread on the Crows board and they're luke warm on him. They'd rather prefer any one of a number of the Victorian kids instead.

 

[mattyc75]

Speaking of Jack Macrae he is very much a great comparison to Langford in this draft .

Tall inside mid , smart left footer with average pace .

I always thought macrae was a high production winger?

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[mattyc75]

Won’t Adelaide just trade up to 2 and grab him before us anyway?

4 and F1 for 2 and F2?

Won't the eagles just trade down to get Allan?

On SM-S921B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[amazingjoshy]

From Fox Footy:

BARRASS TRADE DETAILS REVEALED

West Coast Eagles superstar Tom Barrass has requested a trade to Hawthorn, but how will a deal get done?

According to the Herald Sun’s Jay Clark, Hawthorn will need to give up two first round picks to secure the star Eagles defender.

“They want two first round picks the Eagles. I know that sounds like a lot for a 28-year-old key defender, he’s going to be 29 by the start of next season, but the Hawks are in a tricky position here for two reasons,” Clark told Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle.


“A, he’s contracted which gives West Coast the upper hand and B, because of the Hawks’ rise their first-round picks keep shuffling back. By the time we get the Academy picks, the father-son, the free agency compensation, that could slide right back to 18, 19, 20 plus potentially,” he said.

“That on its own we know is not going to satisfy West Coast for Tom Barrass who is one of the best key defenders in the competition.

“This is what’s going to happen. West Coast is going to ask for two first round picks. The Hawks’ first this year and their first next year and then potentially give a second round back. Hawthorn’s first round pick next year essentially becomes West Coast’s second round pick which will be early in the 20s, a bit of a pick slide but the part which will irk Hawthorn fans and Hawthorn list management chiefs is two first round picks, that’s a lot on the surface. Optically that’s good for West Coast because he’s a contracted player.”

Herald Sun journalist Jon Ralph though the trade was too much from a Hawthorn perspective.

“It’s too much because West Coast want him off their books. They want to get into the draft early on and Hawthorn’s desperate for him and they’ve got players like Calsher Dear in the 50s, Nick Watson’s going to be a gun, and they brought in players like Ginnivan and that deal itself is going to neutralize,” he said.

“So, both sides will have leverage, if you’re Hawthorn you’re getting that deal done because as much as we all love Sam Frost, you’re bringing in this interceptor that turns you into an even better and maybe the best defence in the competition.”

xxxxxxx

Please somebody translate what the hell Jon Ralph is talking about there?

That’s just confusing.

It’s too much for Hawthorn to pay because the Eagles ‘want him off their books’? - something pretty much only he has now suggested surely? I think the Eagles are happy with Barrass on the books on the contract he signed, just not on a longer, more expensive contract, which they are well within their rights to do, given it has 3 more years to run.

Hawthorn are desperate for him because they’ve got Calsher Dear and Nick Watson and…Ginnivan? and that will ‘neutralize’ the deal? What does that mean?

It’s too much but they will do it because they’ve drafted well (I think?)…. but also both sides have leverage?

Article link

‘Can’t rort the system’: Why Smith trade will be under ‘big scrutiny’; likely price for Eagle — Whispers

‘Can’t rort the system’: Why Smith trade will be under ‘big scrutiny’; likely price for Eagle — Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Pretty much as predicted. We can say we got 2 1sts, they can say they gave up a late 1st and (what should be) a minor pick swap.

The Smith/Cotton On/Geelong stuff at the start of that article is interesting. I'm sure there's nothing to see however....

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Won’t Adelaide just trade up to 2 and grab him before us anyway?

4 and F1 for 2 and F2?

They can try . Adelaide is also after lukosious and neale-bullen both contracted .

They will need to give up something of value for them then have picks for welsh father/son pick .

 

[Happy Mastenator]

13/15 + 30 for Barrass (Hawthorn)

Baker + 10 + 21 + 39 for 3 and 30 (Richmond)

48 for Darling (North)

Use 48 on Champion bid, take 10, 13/15, 21, 23, 39 to draft

Just a quick guess?

You're just trolling at this stage. Not even subtle trolling either.

 

[CountryLad]

Taking a F1 from the hawks will always be a risk but sometimes that risk can equal reward. Seems that most think the Hawks are the finished product and will just continue to rise. I’m not so sure that’s an absolute given.

They will receive a tougher draw for one.

Strategy coaches will go to work on there game plan over the off season. Usually someone finds a way to neutralise a young side. It may take a month or two into the season for a side to show how it’s done, but once it happens it could become a lot harder for the Hawks.

They are really in form as a side currently but form can come a go. Improvement on what they have shown this year isn’t necessarily a given. Lots can change in a 12 month period. Winning premierships is tough and this is a tough competition for all clubs. Freo were top 4 in round 19 and talking dirty…..

The Pies this year are the perfect example. One of my Collingwood mates was talking back to back only several months ago. He’s pretty quiet currently. Things can change quickly.

The Hawks won 14 games this year. 12 games and you miss the 8. 11 wins and it’s pick 6. If they dropped off in form slightly, have a tougher draw and sides go to work on there game plan…….

It could just as easily be a pick in the 8-12 range which would look pretty decent.

 

[Dark Sharks]

EAGLES WANT TWO FIRST ROUNDERS!!!

I like how this stupid headline is constantly banded around for Barrass like we're taking the piss and absolutely "ripping off" Hawk's.

When the reality is those "firsts" are barely going to be firsts to begin with. Certainly not top end selections.

This year's pick is what, 14-18 now? Whilst next year's first could be anywhere from 14-18 again given Hawthorns likely trajectory. Meanwhile we're apparently handing over our F2 in this scenario, which could be around pick 20.

So what, pick 14-18 plus a downgrade of their draft pick next year by 6 odd places, for a contracted vice captain in Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

?

Only way it doesn't work out for Hawthorn is if they wet the bed next year and buck the trend of what everyone thinks and miss finals. Which is even more unlikely with Barrass in their side.

It's a pretty flaccid trade for WCE if you ask me.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

Hawthorn had double ups against Richmond, Norf and Adelaide this year, 3 of the bottom 4 sides. No way they get kissed on the dick with next years fixture.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

This year's pick is what, 14-18 now? Whilst next year's first could be anywhere from 14-18 again given Hawthorns likely trajectory. Meanwhile we're apparently handing over our F2 in this scenario, which could be around pick 20.

So what, pick 14-18 plus a downgrade of their draft pick next year by 6 odd places, for a contracted vice captain in Tom Barrass?

Our 2nd round pick last year as the wooden spooners was pushed out to 30.

You wouldn't rule out something like that happening to our F2 even without PP's.

 

[West123]

I just don't see how we don't involve players in the Barrass trade. Hawks don't have the draft capital.

I don't know the players well enough but a Henry Hustwaite or Sam Butler would be worth a look in a deal. They are the extra 2nd rounders that makes it work.

Barrass + future 2nd for 1st Rounder (15-20) + Future 1st + Hustwaite.

 

[Elite Pete]

Won’t Adelaide just trade up to 2 and grab him before us anyway?

4 and F1 for 2 and F2?

North and Richmond trade more likely imo. If the Tigers want to get up to the top 3 to pair FOS and Jagga.

Not sure the Crows would have the extra assets to get it done if they are chasing Luko and ANB as well.

Richmond 2 (FOS/Jagga)and 22
For
North 6 (Trainor) and 10 (Armstrong/ Shanahan or Berry)