List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Can Macrae play gimp wing?

I’d take him on for a first round pick salary dump like the BODEs got with Bowes.

We need to play the salary floor, he can help out the youngsters and get another talented youngster in the draft.

No way I’d pay a pick out of our own pocket though.

I’d like to think the gimp wing is a relic of the past and we have two competent wingers that both attack and defend equally

 

[Mop]

Just watching gettable,
And Riley and Cal actually laugh when they said this - but they speculate Josh Rotham

35

Josh Rotham

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

167.2

3star

D

7.5

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

157.5

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

168.0

3star

or similar could end up at Essendon as an unrestricted free agent. There’s no context, they laugh at Rotham. End of.




About three minutes in.
Our new list boss is on the show, haven’t got that far yet

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Just watching gettable,
And Riley and Cal actually laugh when they said this - but they speculate Josh Rotham or similar could end up at Essendon as an unrestricted free agent. There’s no context, they laugh at Rotham. End of.




About three minutes in.
Our new list boss is on the show, haven’t got that far yet

Gonna give it a watch after I'm done watching NXT, but I did catch the start and they said clubs are in Melbourne today doing a little bit of 'speed dating' of the sort to discuss player movement and such. Did catch the little snicker about Rotham to Essendon. Fair enough

 

[CountryLad]

Gonna give it a watch after I'm done watching NXT, but I did catch the start and they said clubs are in Melbourne today doing a little bit of 'speed dating' of the sort to discuss player movement and such. Did catch the little snicker about Rotham to Essendon. Fair enough

They weren’t laughing at Rotham, it was Cal’s little “Dons go whacko for Kako” that got the kids giggling.

 

[maxrm]

Really not a fan of Hawks 1R + F1 with our F2 going back. That's stupid. Hawk's two first-rounders is honestly fair considering they will both likely be later selections. Sending back a F3 is fine, but our F2 undervalues Barrass.

Having said that, I do really want Hawthorn's F1. As others have pointed out, a slide down the ladder is certainly possible for Hawthorn next year. Although for that same reason, they will understandably be reluctant to give it up, but tough cookies. If they want our star KPD to help them win a premiership, they need to pay up.

TBH, I'd even prefer their F1 and Collingwood's 2R pick this year over the two first-rounders with our F2 going back. At least we could get lucky next year if Hawks have a bad run, and now their 1R pick has likely slid out of the TT/Allan/Lindsay range anyway.

 

[FKASC]

Been discussed ad nause but is it just time to do away with contracts considering how many contracted players are effectively using free agency to leave and nominate their destination nowadays?

What’s the point in persisting

 

[noobermensch]

Apologies for the absence yesterday, I have another project taking priority but back tomorrow with a full slate of vids and plenty to catch up on from last weekend.

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For any other player this would be worthy of a "Dominant Performance" tag, but for Jagga it was just a good solid outing. One point that I think needs to be emphasised here is that earlier in the year I and other draft watchers had two criticisms of Jagga's play. One, that he didn't apply as much defensive pressure as you would like to see from an inside mid. And two, that he sometimes lacked hurt factor with his possessions and would take the less damaging but safer option instead of going direct. In recent weeks it appears that he's taken this on board (perhaps his coaches were also giving him the same feedback) as the defensive side of his game in particular has improved dramatically. Not to mention he's now using his pace to break clear with attacking forward runs, and biting off much more attacking options by foot. He's even started to hit the scoreboard more frequently. There's very little left in his game to criticise any more.

 

[FKASC]

So is Jagga going pick one then? Or will that be Ashcroft?

 

[mattyc75]

EAGLES WANT TWO FIRST ROUNDERS!!!

I like how this stupid headline is constantly banded around for Barrass like we're taking the piss and absolutely "ripping off" Hawk's.

When the reality is those "firsts" are barely going to be firsts to begin with. Certainly not top end selections.

This year's pick is what, 14-18 now? Whilst next year's first could be anywhere from 14-18 again given Hawthorns likely trajectory. Meanwhile we're apparently handing over our F2 in this scenario, which could be around pick 20.

So what, pick 14-18 plus a downgrade of their draft pick next year by 6 odd places, for a contracted vice captain in Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

?

Only way it doesn't work out for Hawthorn is if they wet the bed next year and buck the trend of what everyone thinks and miss finals. Which is even more unlikely with Barrass in their side.

It's a pretty flaccid trade for WCE if you ask me.

Is it kinda like what we paid for kelly?

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[1Bally1]

what is our manager basically saying on gettable

 

[Elite Pete]

Clarke comes across well. Gave little as expected but felt like he has something up his sleeve.

I think we split pick 3 if there in an option going by that. Might not be a trade partner though.

 

[Elite Pete]

what is our manager basically saying on gettable

Left plenty unsaid for Bigfooty to go nuts for a fortnight on that.

 

[Tugga27]

A lot on here seem to think Hawthorn's future first might end up being a good pick as they might slide due to a harder fixture and their system being worked out.

I have the opposite opinion.
I can't seem them not making top 4 next year.

I don't think they've been given enough credit TBH.
Apart from a bad loss in Geelong, in the last 15 rounds they've been destroying sides.

A 2 point and 1 point loss to GWS and Port which they both should've won.

Add Barrass and Battle to the side and they're a lot better.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I just don't see how we don't involve players in the Barrass trade. Hawks don't have the draft capital.

I don't know the players well enough but a Henry Hustwaite or Sam Butler would be worth a look in a deal. They are the extra 2nd rounders that makes it work.

Barrass + future 2nd for 1st Rounder (15-20) + Future 1st + Hustwaite.

Alternatively a three-way trade where Hawks send a pick or player to, say, Carlton, and we get Carroll. (Or Bulldogs/Garcia, GWS/Peatling, whoever)

 

[KERRPOW]

Just watching gettable,
And Riley and Cal actually laugh when they said this - but they speculate Josh Rotham or similar could end up at Essendon as an unrestricted free agent. There’s no context, they laugh at Rotham. End of.




About three minutes in.
Our new list boss is on the show, haven’t got that far yet

Its worth me watching gettable just to see this

 

[TerryFilk]

A lot on here seem to think Hawthorn's future first might end up being a good pick as they might slide due to a harder fixture and their system being worked out.

I have the opposite opinion.
I can't seem them not making top 4 next year.

I don't think they've been given enough credit TBH.
Apart from a bad loss in Geelong, in the last 15 rounds they've been destroying sides.

A 2 point and 1 point loss to GWS and Port which they both should've won.

Add Barrass and Battle to the side and they're a lot better.

They’ve had the easiest fixture in the AFL and are definitely overachieving, it’s not out of the question that with a much harder fixture and being the hunted rather than the hunter that they have an underwhelming 2025. Similar to Fremantle when they made finals a couple years ago and then missed the 8 altogether the next season.

I don’t think Hawthorn will slide that far but can definitely see it being a top 12 pick again.

I don’t get how anyone wouldn’t be happy with two firsts, even if we give a 2nd back. The reality is Barrass is nearly 29 years old and it’s clear we want him to go, as it’s mutually beneficial.

We’d be doing very well to get two top 15ish picks for him, even if we’re giving up a top 25 pick back next year.

Hawks F1 could also be used for the Suns pick 12 this year.

 

[Corn69]

Clarke comes across well. Gave little as expected but felt like he has something up his sleeve.

I think we split pick 3 if there in an option going by that. Might not be a trade partner though.

He said there are 5 options in consideration for pick 3.

Can't see us trading 3, Barrass pick if it keeps going further, would be the Baker offer.

 

[mitchzz]

Cal saying he would be surprised if Darling (and Luke Parker

26

Luke Parker

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

) weren't at NM next year

Sad to see Darling go but probably for the best

 

[RanaNaved]

Its worth me watching gettable just to see this

They were laughing at one of Cals' new catchphrases, he has lots. They weren't laughing at Rotham

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Not sure about predictions of Hawks sliding down, their young team gets another pre-season under their belts and they add Barrass and Battle to their backline. Coming into 2025 they will be a stronger team.

While the difference between Hawks F1 and our F2 might seem minimal, once you add in FA compo's and other dilutions, it would not be unreasonable to expect it to be a 6-10 pick difference. E.g. We finish 14th F2=pick 23, Hawks finish 4th F1=pick 15-16. Then add the dilution mechanisms and its not an insignificant upgrade.


If they do falter (miss top 8) and we rise out of the bottom 4, that could blow out to 10-15 spot upgrade.

 

[Deepthroat]

Sooooo....

A priority Pick is off the table for us this year?

Seems to be ZERO discussion around it.

 

[RanaNaved]

Matt Clarke/Gettable summary.

Darling most likely gone according to Cal.

WC sound keen to split if they can to get multiple picks in the top 20.

Clarke didn't sound overly confident in getting Baker.

WC looking at about 5 players for pick 3 should they hold.

Chasing a number of player's in the trade/FA period. We all knew that.

We'll probably get a KPD in the draft. Didn't outright say that, but that's the impression.

Twomey raised Rotham as possibility for Essendon should Laverde leave.

 

[ziad]

Matt Clarke/Gettable summary.

Darling most likely gone according to Cal.

WC sound keen to split if they can to get multiple picks in the top 20.

Clarke didn't sound overly confident in getting Baker.

WC looking at about 5 players for pick 3 should they hold.

Chasing a number of player's in the trade/FA period. We all knew that.

We'll probably get a KPD in the draft. Didn't outright say that, but that's the impression.

Twomey raised Rotham as possibility for Essendon should Laverde leave.

oh that Clarke

 

[maxrm]

Sooooo....

A priority Pick is off the table for us this year?

Seems to be ZERO discussion around it.

I honestly forgot about this. Even if we don't get one or multiple priority picks (which based on recent precedent we should) then at the very least we should be making a fuss about not applying to dissuade priority picks from being handed out in future.
In short, we should either get them or set our own precedent to prevent future teams from getting them.

 

[RanaNaved]

Forgot to mention Clarke thinks we're well placed with Harley, so sounds positive on that front