List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Deepthroat]

I honestly forgot about this. Even if we don't get one or multiple priority picks (which based on recent precedent we should) then at the very least we should be making a fuss about not applying to dissuade priority picks from being handed out in future.
In short, we should either get them or set our own precedent to prevent future teams from getting them.

Are we going to wait for a 4th consecutive five wins or under season before we put our hand out?

 

[CountryLad]

Was interesting listening to Cal talk about the pick one offer from Melbourne last year.

Pick 6,11 & 42 plus pick 5 this year.

I guess for me the interesting part is that if Harley ever did leave i doubt we ever get that kind of offer again. Hopefully he loves it over here and forms a good footballing relationship with his teammates and new coach.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Hawks lose a prelim and the Saints get band 1 for Battle. Richmond get 6 for Rioli and 10 and 11 for Bolton. We overpay for Graham to generate pick 22 compo over pick 40.

WCE in: 10, 11, 16, HAWKS F1, Baker
WCE out: 3, F2, Barrass

Rich in: 3, HAWKS F2
Rich out: 10, 11, Baker

Hawks in: Barrass, WCE F2
Hawks out: 16, F1, F2

9am on day 1 of the trade period. Knock off early and pop in at Jesters on the way home.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Matt Clarke/Gettable summary.

Darling most likely gone according to Cal.

WC sound keen to split if they can to get multiple picks in the top 20.

Clarke didn't sound overly confident in getting Baker.

WC looking at about 5 players for pick 3 should they hold.

Chasing a number of player's in the trade/FA period. We all knew that.

We'll probably get a KPD in the draft. Didn't outright say that, but that's the impression.

Twomey raised Rotham as possibility for Essendon should Laverde leave.

Also pretty firm on Liam Ryan not being traded.

Sounds way too open to trading pick 3 for my liking tbh

 

[Elite Pete]

Was interesting listening to Cal talk about the pick one offer from Melbourne last year.

Pick 6,11 & 42 plus pick 5 this year.

I guess for me the interesting part is that if Harley ever did leave i doubt we ever get that kind of offer again. Hopefully he loves it over here and forms a good footballing relationship with his teammates and new coach.

If Harley is at the Dees they probably would’ve won a few more games too so a little hard to judge.

Harley
For
Curtin/Tholstup/Lalor (maybe TT if Melbourne won two more games with Harley)

 

[Chris_6678]

Also pretty firm on Liam Ryan not being traded.

Sounds way too open to trading pick 3 for my liking tbh

Not a bad thing as it gets the attention to see what teams will offer.

 

[Deepthroat]

Hawks lose a prelim and the Saints get band 1 for Battle. Richmond get 6 for Rioli and 10 and 11 for Bolton. We overpay for Graham to generate pick 22 compo over pick 40.

WCE in: 10, 11, 16, HAWKS F1, Baker
WCE out: 3, F2, Barrass

Rich in: 3, HAWKS F2
Rich out: 10, 11, Baker

Hawks in: Barrass, WCE F2
Hawks out: 16, F1, F2

9am on day 1 of the trade period. Knock off early and pop in at Jesters on the way home.

Let's break it down (after F/S and NGAs)

3, F30, Barrass

for

13, 14, 20, F20 and Baker.....

Nah.

 

[Elite Pete]

Matt Clarke/Gettable summary.

Darling most likely gone according to Cal.

WC sound keen to split if they can to get multiple picks in the top 20.

Clarke didn't sound overly confident in getting Baker.

WC looking at about 5 players for pick 3 should they hold.

Chasing a number of player's in the trade/FA period. We all knew that.

We'll probably get a KPD in the draft. Didn't outright say that, but that's the impression.

Twomey raised Rotham as possibility for Essendon should Laverde leave.

I read most the same way. Would add I reckon he would love a coach in place asap as part of his recruitment pitch.

Extended interview will be worth a listen that they normally release a few days later.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

If Harley is at the Dees they probably would’ve won a few more games too so a little hard to judge.

Harley
For
Curtin/Tholstup/Lalor (maybe TT if Melbourne won two more games with Harley)

Melbourne don’t finish that low if they get Harley imo easily worth 2/3 wins along side clarry and Petracca

 

[RanaNaved]

Iirc WC were in to Tholstrup in a big way, so we probably walk away with Curtin and Tholstrup last year.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

WCE_phil mentioned a couple weeks back that priority picks are off the table after our 5 win season. AFL no longer thinks we need assistance.

 

[RanaNaved]

Cal Twomey thinks Harry Armstrong is a strong chance of going top 5, and my man Tauru top 10 unfortunately.

 

[Tugga27]

They’ve had the easiest fixture in the AFL and are definitely overachieving, it’s not out of the question that with a much harder fixture and being the hunted rather than the hunter that they have an underwhelming 2025. Similar to Fremantle when they made finals a couple years ago and then missed the 8 altogether the next season.

I don’t think Hawthorn will slide that far but can definitely see it being a top 12 pick again.

I don’t get how anyone wouldn’t be happy with two firsts, even if we give a 2nd back. The reality is Barrass is nearly 29 years old and it’s clear we want him to go, as it’s mutually beneficial.

We’d be doing very well to get two top 15ish picks for him, even if we’re giving up a top 25 pick back next year.

Hawks F1 could also be used for the Suns pick 12 this year.

Saying they've had the easiest draw is just wrong.
Sure they got Ade, North and Richmond twice, but they also got GWS, Geelong and Collingwood twice.

They finished 7th at the end of the home and away season so you think they will miss the 8?

They've got a gun coach, a heap of kids and will add 2 A grade defenders.

So you think getting picks 15 and 16 say and giving a pick around 21 for a contracted KPD is a good deal?

That's just madness IMO.

We're in the box seat for once.
Tell the Hawks it's pick 10 or we shop him.

 

[Tugga27]

WCE_phil mentioned a couple weeks back that priority picks are off the table after our 5 win season. AFL no longer thinks we need assistance.

Things can change.

Being a 100 points down at half-time in the last game should be taken into account.

 

[mat11]

They can try . Adelaide is also after lukosious and neale-bullen both contracted .

They will need to give up something of value for them then have picks for welsh father/son pick .

Lukosious will be Adelaide's f1 that'd suit GC. If we can guarantee langord or osullivan at pick 4, we should definitely consider doing a pick swap with adelaide 3 into 4 and getting ideally 27 or 42 back

 

[JackOutback]

Not sure about predictions of Hawks sliding down, their young team gets another pre-season under their belts and they add Barrass and Battle to their backline. Coming into 2025 they will be a stronger team.

While the difference between Hawks F1 and our F2 might seem minimal, once you add in FA compo's and other dilutions, it would not be unreasonable to expect it to be a 6-10 pick difference. E.g. We finish 14th F2=pick 23, Hawks finish 4th F1=pick 15-16. Then add the dilution mechanisms and its not an insignificant upgrade.


If they do falter (miss top 8) and we rise out of the bottom 4, that could blow out to 10-15 spot upgrade.

New players, particularly key position ones, can upset your balance.

 

[JackOutback]

Saying they've had the easiest draw is just wrong.
Sure they got Ade, North and Richmond twice, but they also got GWS, Geelong and Collingwood twice.

They finished 7th at the end of the home and away season so you think they will miss the 8?

They've got a gun coach, a heap of kids and will add 2 A grade defenders.

So you think getting picks 15 and 16 say and giving a pick around 21 for a contracted KPD is a good deal?

That's just madness IMO.

We're in the box seat for once.
Tell the Hawks it's pick 10 or we shop him.

Collingwood missed the eight. So that's a pretty handy draw.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

From what was said preference is to hold pick 3
But would like multiple picks in top 20 but so does every other club
so unlikely we spilt
Baker sounds unlikely
Peatling was very circumspect on, quietly confident

 

[Elite Pete]

Lukosious will be Adelaide's f1 that'd suit GC. If we can guarantee langord or osullivan at pick 4, we should definitely consider doing a pick swap with adelaide 3 into 4 and getting ideally 27 or 42 back

27 heading to Melbourne for ANB apparently.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Things can change.

Being a 100 points down at half-time in the last game should be taken into account.

or the pricks could give us a few years off going down to Geelong?

Bit of a treat?

 

[ghostbat12]

From what was said preference is to hold pick 3
But would like multiple picks in top 20 but so does every other club
so unlikely we spilt
Baker sounds unlikely
Peatling was very circumspect on, quietly confident

I don’t know how he doesn’t know where Bolton is at with both clubs? Shouldn’t he know? I am hoping it was just batting it away.

Would have preferred he said two first round picks for barrass. Did not like clurey thing. Didn’t rule it out.

Where is pieman! At least he would say what we wanted to hear….or nothing.

Darling saying what he should have said about barrass- commitment to jack and upcoming preseason.

Ryan expects to stay

Rotham no idea

Harley Reid discussions all year. Very confident of building right system to ensure he is comfortable. Sounded bullish.

Waterman close to new deal.

Allen - talking about extending most of year. Sounds like Allen wanted to know about direction of club but ok with where Allen sits. Sounded confident.

 

[TOA.]

Baker choosing Freo will be another example of this club being saved from itself. Which, sadly, has resulted in some of the best off field outcomes for us over the past few years.

My gut feel is that Baker will only announce his club when he knows the trade deal is effectively agreed.

 

[TOA.]

EAGLES WANT TWO FIRST ROUNDERS!!!

I like how this stupid headline is constantly banded around for Barrass like we're taking the piss and absolutely "ripping off" Hawk's.

When the reality is those "firsts" are barely going to be firsts to begin with. Certainly not top end selections.

This year's pick is what, 14-18 now? Whilst next year's first could be anywhere from 14-18 again given Hawthorns likely trajectory. Meanwhile we're apparently handing over our F2 in this scenario, which could be around pick 20.

So what, pick 14-18 plus a downgrade of their draft pick next year by 6 odd places, for a contracted vice captain in Tom Barrass?

Only way it doesn't work out for Hawthorn is if they wet the bed next year and buck the trend of what everyone thinks and miss finals. Which is even more unlikely with Barrass in their side.

It's a pretty flaccid trade for WCE if you ask me.

Agreed. It grabs headlines but in actual fact is a pretty poor trade for us.

The slither of hope would be the Hawks regressing next year. At the moment they are killing it with their gameplan and momentum (less-so raw talent). Reasonable chance their gameplan could get found out over the offseason and its easy to lose momentum quickly. They sort of remind me of the Pies last year when they got hot and clubs were scrambling to match their gamestyle - and they didnt have a super talented list. After the offseason they got found out abit more.

So I think there's a half reasonable chance Hawks could slip back out of the 8 next year. May sound silly now but nobody would have dreamed last year's premiers would do that this year.

 

[Elite Pete]

From what was said preference is to hold pick 3
But would like multiple picks in top 20 but so does every other club
so unlikely we spilt
Baker sounds unlikely
Peatling was very circumspect on, quietly confident

Felt the same with Peatling and not sure why. Flynn and Peatling came through the academy together so hopefully some sort of connection there.

Asked about Clurey, Graham, Peatling ect but nothing about Garcia. That intel seems to have cooled. Port to WB might be where he is heading.

 

[BartBart]

Really not a fan of Hawks 1R + F1 with our F2 going back. That's stupid. Hawk's two first-rounders is honestly fair considering they will both likely be later selections. Sending back a F3 is fine, but our F2 undervalues Barrass.

Having said that, I do really want Hawthorn's F1. As others have pointed out, a slide down the ladder is certainly possible for Hawthorn next year. Although for that same reason, they will understandably be reluctant to give it up, but tough cookies. If they want our star KPD to help them win a premiership, they need to pay up.

TBH, I'd even prefer their F1 and Collingwood's 2R pick this year over the two first-rounders with our F2 going back. At least we could get lucky next year if Hawks have a bad run, and now their 1R pick has likely slid out of the TT/Allan/Lindsay range anyway.

Frost injury probably brings to the front of their mind the need for KPD depth.