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Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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TOA. said:
Agreed. It grabs headlines but in actual fact is a pretty poor trade for us.

The slither of hope would be the Hawks regressing next year. At the moment they are killing it with their gameplan and momentum (less-so raw talent). Reasonable chance their gameplan could get found out over the offseason and its easy to lose momentum quickly. They sort of remind me of the Pies last year when they got hot and clubs were scrambling to match their gamestyle - and they didnt have a super talented list. After the offseason they got found out abit more.

So I think there's a half reasonable chance Hawks could slip back out of the 8 next year. May sound silly now but nobody would have dreamed last year's premiers would do that this year.
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Could also flip the F1 to Suns or Lions pick this year. Will be some buyers so not sure what else would be added.
 

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Deepthroat said:
Sooooo....

A priority Pick is off the table for us this year?

Seems to be ZERO discussion around it.
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I've been led to believe we will be asking the question, or at the very least should/expected to be.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if we end up taking Langford at 3.

Seems like a perfect replacement for Ginbey in the middle. Big bodied inside mid with the ability to kick goals as well as accumulate.

Need to back this up by taking an outside mid like Lindsay with the Barrass pick.
 
pantskyle said:
I've been led to believe we will be asking the question, or at the very least should/expected to be.
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If we do not ask the question and put forward a well thought out case, it would be utter negligence. We have been a shambles and no better than North - who received a package last year (and the year before?).
 
So Clarke gave away very little today.

He said we were going to explore many options including trade and FA.

He said we are going to prioritise the draft

When asked about splitting pick 3, I heard that he would look at options.


It matters very little what he said on Gettable. The real conversations are happening in the Marvel suites with the other clubs. That is likely to be happening right now.


On Baker, he seemed very much uncertain. In reading his body language on negotiations, I would say that it looked genuine. If I could whisper into his ear on how to get 2 senior mids to the club, it would be:

- forget the 23 for Baker and generate band 2 for Graham

- Instead go for Peatling with a much lesser outlay (like a F2 with a R3 this year and a F3 coming back) and overpay for Perryman to get GWS band 2)
 

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I agree with the others that Clarke gave very little away in the interview. Pretty much ROB level of straight bat. So all that’s left is for us to speculate on body language and reading between the lines.

On that note, I did like how he singled out “rebounding defenders” who have moved up the draft board. Hopefully we actually get one…
 
CountryLad said:
Was interesting listening to Cal talk about the pick one offer from Melbourne last year.

Pick 6,11 & 42 plus pick 5 this year.

I guess for me the interesting part is that if Harley ever did leave i doubt we ever get that kind of offer again. Hopefully he loves it over here and forms a good footballing relationship with his teammates and new coach.
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Add in Van Rooyen and that deal would of been pretty tempting.

You have to ask the question but, with Richmonds draft hand this year, what would they offer for Harley now? Could set us up for the next 10 years.

Are Dees fans dark at Jackson for picking the Dockers over Us? Ultimately could of netted Harley as well.
 
Elite mids (keep Pick 3 you w***ers)
Rebounding defenders (reckon good to elite ones should be available with Barrass pick(s) as mids and KPF will probably go higher)
KPD (reckon good ones will be available after our second rounder, and we have a good track record)
Match Champion bid

Bring in trade targets around that. If we can't without compromising the above, so be it.

It's not rocket science. Get it done.
 
AsterixTheGaul said:
- Instead go for Peatling with a much lesser outlay (like a F2 with a R3 this year and a F3 coming back) and overpay for Perryman to get GWS band 2)
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The extra bonus points in this scenario are a) we say **** Richmond and dont give them any more leg up than they are already getting in this draft and b) the Band 2 compo for GWS will come after our Pick 23 (which if we gave up for Baker wouldnt make much diff anyway but refer to point a).
 
TOA. said:
If we do not ask the question and put forward a well thought out case, it would be utter negligence. We have been a shambles and no better than North - who received a package last year (and the year before?).
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Agreed, we have to ask.

Option 1 we get assistance

Option 2 we don’t, and the AFL has to explain why (will be ‘won a premiership in the last decade, showed improvement, blah blah) - but we also get to share our reasons for the request (on field performance, multiple concussion retirements of first round draft picks, significant downgrades of first and second round picks due to PP’s, academy and compo picks - resulting in the first pick of R2 being #30 last year, 22 the prior year).

At the very least we force their hand with it being much harder to get a leg up in the future (I.e. Richmond, and Nth again. Probably GC too).


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Doashuey said:
The extra bonus points in this scenario are a) we say **** Richmond and dont give them any more leg up than they are already getting in this draft and b) the Band 2 compo for GWS will come after our Pick 23 (which if we gave up for Baker wouldnt make much diff anyway but refer to point a).
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Band 2 is end of 1st round.

So before our pick 23.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Band 2 is end of 1st round.

So before our pick 23.
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I thought it was next after R2 pick. So it will be pretty damn close to a band 1 for GWS if they make the GF (which I think they will). That will be a veeerrry tempting offer for them.
So if I have this right (and I probably dont) Band 2 = end of 1st rd and band 3 is a pick immediately after your Rd2? That would mean that Richmond wouldn't get a lot of value from the upgrade from B2-B3, it would essentially mean (ignoring compo picks and as they currently stand), they get pick 21 to go with their pick 22 rather than 22 to go with their 21?
 
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If the Bombers did show interest in Rotham, could we/would we chip in some of his salary to improve the compensation pick? Band 3 is still pretty decent given where we finished.

And then leave Graham to stay at the Tigers given he would cancel out that compensation pick.
 
Doashuey said:
I thought it was next after R2 pick. So it will be pretty damn close to a band 1 for GWS if they make the GF (which I think they will). That will be a veeerrry tempting offer for them.
So if I have this right (and I probably dont) Band 2 = end of 1st rd and band 3 is a pick immediately after your Rd2? That would mean that Richmond wouldn't get a lot of value from the upgrade from B2-B3, it would essentially mean (ignoring compo picks and as they currently stand), they get pick 21 to go with their pick 22 rather than 22 to go with their 21?
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Correct.

Richmond's band 2 is pick 19.

Band 3 is pick 22 this year due to the end of 1st priority picks North traded.
 
DanWCE said:
If the Bombers did show interest in Rotham, could we/would we chip in some of his salary to improve the compensation pick? Band 3 is still pretty decent given where we finished.

And then leave Graham to stay at the Tigers given he would cancel out that compensation pick.
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No. We can't cover a free agents future earnings. That would be the fox running with the hounds manipulating the compo pick.

More than clubs already do.
 
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