List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[FKASC]

Perryman has plateaued/gone backwards a bit in the last couple of years. Used to rate him highly but not so sure anymore.

 

[Elite Pete]

because $$$

Yep, already 24, he would want some decent coin and he can 100% see himself straight into our midfield. Not sure he will be at the Dogs or Pies, even though that’s what they will sell him.

Hopefully mates with Flynn to as he was only a year behind him in their academy and would’ve played some VFL together

 

[illegaleagle]

if we manage to get a future 1st from Hawthorn. Should we try and sell our future first for say pick 5 or 6 of this draft. As we have Banfield and Walley as likely first rounders next year as NGA and father son, could be beneficial to use a last 1st rounder on one of these guys. Go into draft with picks 3, 5/6 and around 13-16 for hawks first this year. Get say Draper, Lalor/Langford, Bo Allan for first 3 picks. Then 23 can use for Baker take it or leave it pick.

 

[Elite Pete]

The draft is so interesting this year.

All the top end mids are relatively even but all have slight question marks too.

Here's how I'd currently rank the options available to us. I think Levi Ashcroft would be my number 1 (if he was available).

1. Jagga
2. Reid
3. Draper / Langford
4. Lalor
5. FOS / Smilie

I think Jagga's production is just too hard to ignore. Pure midfield pig. Only worry is his size.

With Jagga likely gone at 3, Murphy Reid is the one I wish we'd be able to pick up. Though can't see it unless he has a change of heart about leaving Victoria.

In think they are our perfect 2 for us at 3.

Would love for us to trade the Hawks F1 (if we get it) for GC pick 12.

Draper/Langford
Travaglia/Lindsay
Berry
23-Davis?
Plus Champion

Would be an elite group (Could also hold the Hawks F1 and hope they were a flash in the pan and get Duursma and Curtin next year)

Let’s Cook Clark

 

[Happy Mastenator]

if we manage to get a future 1st from Hawthorn. Should we try and sell our future first for say pick 5 or 6 of this draft. As we have Banfield and Walley as likely first rounders next year as NGA and father son, could be beneficial to use a last 1st rounder on one of these guys. Go into draft with picks 3, 5/6 and around 13-16 for hawks first this year. Get say Draper, Lalor/Langford, Bo Allan for first 3 picks. Then 23 can use for Baker take it or leave it pick.

No one is giving us pick 5/6 for Hawks F1 next year. You also don't give up F1's till you see where Banfield and Walley end up up. If we have ours and Hawks F1 before them both next year, would end up with four very good players.

 

[Elite Pete]

if we manage to get a future 1st from Hawthorn. Should we try and sell our future first for say pick 5 or 6 of this draft. As we have Banfield and Walley as likely first rounders next year as NGA and father son, could be beneficial to use a last 1st rounder on one of these guys. Go into draft with picks 3, 5/6 and around 13-16 for hawks first this year. Get say Draper, Lalor/Langford, Bo Allan for first 3 picks. Then 23 can use for Baker take it or leave it pick.

Can’t see us getting that high but GC 12 or maybe Lions 13* should be on the radar. Lions probably need to get some point back this year through so Richmond probably the better suitor

 

[Keys]

Graham would struggle to make 10/18 teams in this league, waste of time pick up.

As would many others currently on our list. No one is suggesting Graham is a particularly exciting recruit but he’d probably be in our best 15-25 players and gives us a little bit more experienced depth

He comes at no trade cost and a modest salary cap hit which we’re struggling to spend anyway

I’d rather it was a 3 year deal we offered because ideally by 2028 when he turns 30 he’s been pushed out of the best 22 by younger players

TLDR - he improves our list at little cost

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If after all is said and done we staring at a big wad of cash is 6 year 6 mill deal for Perryman that big of a issue?

At some point we gotta make a bloody move that isnt 2 Richmond nobodies

Interesting definition of “nobodies”, they’ve both won two premierships, finished top two in the B&F, Baker’s a current vice captain…

 

[Happy Mastenator]

As would many others currently on our list. No one is suggesting Graham is a particularly exciting recruit but he’d probably be in our best 15-25 players and gives us a little bit more experienced depth

He comes at no trade cost and a modest salary cap hit which we’re struggling to spend anyway

I’d rather it was a 3 year deal we offered because ideally by 2028 when he turns 30 he’s been pushed out of the best 22 by younger players

TLDR - he improves our list at little cost

4 year deal. Front load contract so can cut him after 3 if required and not much dead money on our cap.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

If we can somehow bring in Peatling, Garcia and Carroll (heck I'd be stoked with 2 out of the 3) I think that would go a long way to enhancing our rebuild.

Parfitt a perfect age and profile for us as well as a FA.

These type of moves would also allow us to be a bit more speculative on our pick 3 whether we use it or trade it to get some more top 20 draft hits.

It's also why we need to be trying to get a priority package from the AFL, those must be traded future 2nd and 3rd round picks can be used on those first three players (plus our own future picks)

Without the AFL leg up, I would happily bring in Parfitt as an UFA and one player we would need to trade for (Peatling my priority out of your 3).

I would love the handout that Norf received - after our R2 and R3 which would be more than enough to get maybe 2 contracted players.

 

[illegaleagle]

No one is giving us pick 5/6 for Hawks F1 next year. You also don't give up F1's till you see where Banfield and Walley end up up. If we have ours and Hawks F1 before them both next year, would end up with four very good players.

Not hawks f1 for our future first

 

[1Bally1]

Lets say hawks pick ends up as pick 14 to 18 next year (pushed back to due to f/s and academy and compensation so could be further) we could do what we did in i think 2017 and move that first rounder and get an abundance of second rounders which could also help us match academy picks. This could be something I would consider next year.
Pick e.g. 14 to 18
For
2nd rounders one in the 25 to 30 and one in the 30 to 35s along with a third rounder and a future 3rd rounder to help with bids on Wes Walley, Koby Evans and Banfield who could be an important part of our rebuild so in that case our draft hand next year could be e.g
3 - 5
21 to 23
25 to 30
30 to 35
39 to 42
40 to 45
and a late 50s to 60 pick.
Bring in basically 1st rounder 3 2nd rounders 2 3rd rounder's and 1 4th.
I wouldn't mind keeping hawks f1 incase curtin is avaibale and if thats the case i wouldnt do what I did above.

 

[garlic munchers]

Money.
We can offer him a better financial package and an potentially exciting young midfield when we get a few more gun young mids via sitting close to the bottom of the ladder for 2 more seasons.

EFA

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

We need to really put top value on pick 3 and only use it for say a Warner play. Even then, I think that would be more likely next year. I cannot see a world where I would support using it for a trade and getting 6 + Baker.

Just think about how Cats will get a top 10 pick for Smith and Hawks a top 10 pick for Barrass. Both are reasonable trades (Barrass in contract so high and a high ceiling on Smith but out of contract).

Yes the top 3 to 5 prospects are even but the next 7 or 8 are also very good. I like what eaglevision posted in trading 3 + 12 for 6 + 9 + 10 (assuming Tigers get 6 for Bolton and 9 + 10 for Bolton/Baker). I doubt Tigers do it but that would be my stance.

Take to the draft 6 + 9 + 10 + 23 and either a second pick this year from Hawks or slide add their R1 at the expense of one of our future picks. I would think that 6 will get one of the top end mids (more like Langford or Smilie or Lalor) and then at 9 and 10, 2 of TT, Lindsay, Tauru or Berry.

 

[Monocle]

What some posters need to get their heads around is that whilst the likes of Parafitt, Carroll and Graham may not be world beaters, they are better quality footballers than some of the guys that will be delisted or traded out.

Trew, Baker, Witherden and Rotham will be replaced by some of the options listed above to draft in.

Sure they are not spectacular upgrades but they are upgrades never the less.
Carroll has more impact in games than Trew, therefore IMO that’s a list improvement.

You need to both improve you list in top end talent and also improve your lists bottom end talent.
Any players that are UFA and are a list upgrade, are a free hit opportunity that should exploited.

Many here bitched and moaned when we added Hunt to the list and he has been a cheap and mature very handy upgrade.

His addition was a smart piece of business.

Came with a mature body, on a modest contract, as a role player and improved our list.
Can we please have some more of this type of player to replace our spuds.

List improvement and upgrades come in many different forms.

 

[illegaleagle]

Can’t see us getting that high but GC 12 or maybe Lions 13* should be on the radar. Lions probably need to get some point back this year through so Richmond probably the better suitor

I mean say our future first and 23 for baker and Richmond pick 6 acquired from Gold Coast. Richmond would already have like pick 1,9,10 or whatever by selling Bolton and already having pick 1 so maybe keen to get another first rounder next draft as well.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I mean say our future first and 23 for baker and Richmond pick 6 acquired from Gold Coast. Richmond would already have like pick 1,9,10 or whatever by selling Bolton and already having pick 1 so maybe keen to get another first rounder next draft as well.

Why give away any future picks? As soon as you do that you're taking Warner (however unlikely) joining us the following year off the table.

The hope is that our F1 and Hawks F1 forms the basis of a Warner trade if needed. if not we use the picks.

 

[illegaleagle]

Why give away any future picks? As soon as you do that you're taking Warner (however unlikely) joining us the following year off the table.

The hope is that our F1 and Hawks F1 forms the basis of a Warner trade if needed. if not we use the picks.

Getting Warner could be a pipe dream and next years draft could be poor in comparison to this draft. These are all things our recruiting team need to think about.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I mean say our future first and 23 for baker and Richmond pick 6 acquired from Gold Coast. Richmond would already have like pick 1,9,10 or whatever by selling Bolton and already having pick 1 so maybe keen to get another first rounder next draft as well.

Our list is in ZERO position to be giving away first and future first rounders. The list is DYING for young gun players.

 

[mat11]

What does everyone think peatling would cost us? Pick 23 with something coming back like an f3?

 

[Elite Pete]

What does everyone think peatling would cost us? Pick 23 with something coming back like an f3?

Peatling and 35
For
23?

Giants have a NGA player in the 30s they would want to get in front of

 

[illegaleagle]

Our list is in ZERO position to be giving away first and future first rounders. The list is DYING for young gun players.

In this instance we would go in the draft with pick 3,6 and somewhere from 13-18, not sure what your on about and next draft would have hawthorns first.

 

[maxrm]

Peatling and 35
For
23?

Giants have a NGA player in the 30s they would want to get in front of

And then 35 for Baker. Oh, you wanted 23 for him? Sorry! We don't have it anymore... Damn! Such a shame :/

 

[Hook461123]

And then 35 for Baker. Oh, you wanted 23 for him? Sorry! We don't have it anymore... Damn! Such a shame :/

Such a Geelong move, imagine the Tiger media cheer squad lol
Would love for that to happen after he has already chosen us.....as long as we don't then split 3 for him

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

What some posters need to get their heads around is that whilst the likes of Parafitt, Carroll and Graham may not be world beaters, they are better quality footballers than some of the guys that will be delisted or traded out.

Trew, Baker, Witherden and Rotham will be replaced by some of the options listed above to draft in.

Sure they are not spectacular upgrades but they are upgrades never the less.
Carroll has more impact in games than Trew, therefore IMO that’s a list improvement.

You need to both improve you list in top end talent and also improve your lists bottom end talent.
Any players that are UFA and are a list upgrade, are a free hit opportunity that should exploited.

Many here bitched and moaned when we added Hunt to the list and he has been a cheap and mature very handy upgrade.

His addition was a smart piece of business.

Came with a mature body, on a modest contract, as a role player and improved our list.
Can we please have some more of this type of player to replace our spuds.

List improvement and upgrades come in many different forms.

The consideration isn't whether Parfitt and Graham replace the guys that are getting delisted (Baker, Rotham, Witho), it's who they replace in our best 22.
If the argument is that they're coming in as that 15-25th best player, then a 4 year contract seems poor business in a developing side. We'd expect our existing youth as well as those drafted this year and next to start filling those positions.