List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[BartBart]

Cameron Ling on ABC radio not long ago.

He predicted Dockers top 4 next year esp if Bolton is picked up by them and has some fire to perform.

He also said they should go and get Baker too.

Hope he is right on Bolton & Baker to Dockers, less so on them being top 4.

 

[shooshka]

100%. Those two should be top of the list along with a big offer for TDK (FA). Farrell (FA) and Z Reid* (OOC) would be the other two I’d target.

If we are having a swing at TDK we should absolutely have a shot at LDU also. I doubt he leaves, but pitching to some of these guys as their 1 chance to make a choice to play with Harley may turn a couple of heads..


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[Wooshaaaa]

I’ll be very disappointed yes although apparently the chat around Longmire is correct.

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[WCE_phil]

Look I think Starcevich is a great player but he really gives us nothing we don't already have. Hough is the guy who can play smaller and with another couple of preseasons also taller than he is. Like Starcevich he's a decent kick but not line breaking or creative with it.

Starcevich is someone I wanted the club to draft when I was involved with footy but not in a professional capacity. I've seen him all the way through. He's a really good player but not what the club needs. TBH it's pretty much the only role on field we have covered since the club started of the rebuild.

TDK is average imo. Worth picking up as a free agent but not overpaying for.

Farrell is a good player and potentially useful but not spectacular.

Zach Reid needs to get his body right but if he does he would be a player of interest to me.

Also TBH McVee is good but not a huge upgrade on what the club has.

If the club is looking at defence we need 1 genuine future high level key defender and 2 elitely skilled quarterback types. You aren't looking for the complete single player in one as one highly skilled defender can be shut down, two, not so much. So you can pick them up a little cheaper in general but one needs to be able to kick 60 metres, still be very skilled and good defensively. The other you don't worry so much about defensive capabilities but offensively they need to have truly elite vision and be surgical with their kicking. You don't need Lewis Jetta here (some of his skill work from D50 is the best i've seen in the modern game) with the depth and penetration of the kick but the mid range kicks (30-40) are super important. They have to be able to perform them with the vision and penetration like Jetta could do over 50-60m and that player needs to be able to run and carry as well. Again because they have deficiencies they are slightly cheaper players to draft.

Make no mistake however most clubs recognise this as the way forward so when I say cheaper I no longer mean pick up your half backs and outside players with picks in the 30's. It just means depending on the draft and number of those types they are available in that next grouping back. If one is truly elite as a junior then i'd have no issue spending a top 3 pick on one, but generally they tend to go between pick 7-20.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Reading through the thread recently I like how people are like 'let's get a role player from this team, or a role player from that team'..can we get a god damn competently great player first?

We're in this position to begin with because 90% of our team are role players and not very good ones

 

[Wooshaaaa]

One thing about last 2 GFs that is worrying for us is that its the mid sized/small forwards that do the damage at the MCG. Not many examples in recent times of a FF. Its constantly been the likes of Lohman, Stengle, Hill who have done the job on the day. Not the greatest sign when your best thing going for you is your tall FFs

We have them, just need them fit and firing.

Brockman better hurry up and perform
Ryan needs a huge preseason for fitness.
Long should be fine to do a whole preseason
Cripps needs to check his heart to see if it has a beat.
Dewar needs another big preaseon
Champion coming in unknown


Hopefully the revolving gun mids of hewett, reid, pick 3, berry? also contribute.


Don't underestimate how the swans 3 big forwards are just ordinary. And that the swans got smashed on the inside hard ball gets and lack of contest. Every GF is won in the contest. Mids and ball users are still our biggest needs.

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[Spooky17]

Look I think Starcevich is a great player but he really gives us nothing we don't already have. Hough is the guy who can play smaller and with another couple of preseasons also taller than he is. Like Starcevich he's a decent kick but not line breaking or creative with it.

Starcevich is someone I wanted the club to draft when I was involved with footy but not in a professional capacity. I've seen him all the way through. He's a really good player but not what the club needs. TBH it's pretty much the only role on field we have covered since the club started of the rebuild.

TDK is average imo. Worth picking up as a free agent but not overpaying for.

Farrell is a good player and potentially useful but not spectacular.

Zach Reid needs to get his body right but if he does he would be a player of interest to me.

Also TBH McVee is good but not a huge upgrade on what the club has.

If the club is looking at defence we need 1 genuine future high level key defender and 2 elitely skilled quarterback types. You aren't looking for the complete single player in one as one highly skilled defender can be shut down, two, not so much. So you can pick them up a little cheaper in general but one needs to be able to kick 60 metres, still be very skilled and good defensively. The other you don't worry so much about defensive capabilities but offensively they need to have truly elite vision and be surgical with their kicking. You don't need Lewis Jetta here (some of his skill work from D50 is the best i've seen in the modern game) with the depth and penetration of the kick but the mid range kicks (30-40) are super important. They have to be able to perform them with the vision and penetration like Jetta could do over 50-60m and that player needs to be able to run and carry as well. Again because they have deficiencies they are slightly cheaper players to draft.

Make no mistake however most clubs recognise this as the way forward so when I say cheaper I no longer mean pick up your half backs and outside players with picks in the 30's. It just means depending on the draft and number of those types they are available in that next grouping back. If one is truly elite as a junior then i'd have no issue spending a top 3 pick on one, but generally they tend to go between pick 7-20.

How’s the cage rattling going? Any surprises incoming for trade week?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Future 4th is about right, surely us taking his salary off their books is a win for them.

How bout a salary dump. Give us Dev, we take the salary and they forgo the pick.

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[stallon]

Reading through the thread recently I like how people are like 'let's get a role player from this team, or a role player from that team'..can we get a god damn competently great player first?

We're in this position to begin with because 90% of our team are role players and not very good ones

We can only get so many great players at a time(through the draft), and we are hardly a super attractive destination when we are near the bottom of the ladder.
I dunno what are suggesting tbh we have limited assets

 

[stallon]

If we are having a swing at TDK we should absolutely have a shot at LDU also. I doubt he leaves, but pitching to some of these guys as their 1 chance to make a choice to play with Harley may turn a couple of heads..


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We would be StKilda 2.0 throwing money at anybody and everybody

 

[noobermensch]

Fred Rodriguez was super impressive as a bottom ager for WA at this years champs, and showed more of the same in the futures game. Super clean at ground level and damaging with his disposals combining dash, elite decision making and solid ball skills to slice through the opposition.

 

[eaglevision]

2 elitely skilled quarterback types. You aren't looking for the complete single player in one as one highly skilled defender can be shut down, two, not so much. So you can pick them up a little cheaper in general but one needs to be able to kick 60 metres, still be very skilled and good defensively. The other you don't worry so much about defensive capabilities but offensively they need to have truly elite vision and be surgical with their kicking.

With our picks the way they are have you not just described FOS (pick 3) if as you see him he doesn’t make it as a mid and Harrison Oliver (Pick 23)?

 

[MeltMan]

Fred Rodriguez was super impressive as a bottom ager for WA at this years champs, and showed more of the same in the futures game. Super clean at ground level and damaging with his disposals combining dash, elite decision making and solid ball skills to slice through the opposition.

I've had this question forever.
Is your flare essendon or some local team?
I appreciate the player vids, but all I ever see xD

 

[noobermensch]

I've had this question forever.
Is your flare essendon or some local team?
I appreciate the player vids, but all I ever see xD

Does it not say essendon?

 

[Coasters7]

The GF showed why want to draft a midfielder over a half back flanker in Toby.

The GF was won by the elite midfielders of Brisbane dominating. One of the best rebounding half backs in the game in the Lizzard had no influence. The best half back was a midfielder who transitioned back in Zorko.

If you can’t win the ball at the contest nothing else matters.

Draft Sid Draper or the best midfielder whoever it is. Yeo to half back more to extend his career.

To be fair though it is a lot easier to build a list when 2 of your starting mids were stars traded in and the rest are number 1 picks. They’ve nailed picks like Wilmot, Berry and Bailey but when your rotation mids are Ashcroft, Rayner and McCluggage it’s a fair bit easier

 

[CountryLad]

Reid and long are the only ones I’ve seen consistently in our team play on touch footy on the move with there hands. Brisbane were so clean yesterday in multiple chains Ashcroft and Neale created so much openings with slick hand passing. Can’t afford to be fumbling in tight these days I hope we prioritise midfielders with good movement and ability by hand

Luke Urquhart says hi then. Is as good in tight and by hand as nearly anyone in the draft, just can’t kick.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

With big Joe maybe retiring Brisbane should be the team looking at darling especially with hipwood supposedly having the dreaded OP .

Could lose both their tall forwards for next season in their window.

I'm sure darling fully paid for 1 year and Dev cash off their books would be worth a fair bit to them .

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Luke Urquhart says hi then. Is as good in tight and by hand as nearly anyone in the draft, just can’t kick.

Not a sloth is he ?

 

[WCE_18]

I’ll be very disappointed yes although apparently the chat around Longmire is correct.

What is the chat around Longmire?

 

[WCE_phil]

Not a sloth is he ?

Hip displacement that required surgery. It's had a major effect on his kicking but that is not the main worry. The main worry is that his body won't be able to stand up to AFL level football in the future. His kicking will get better and back to what it was (he was an average kick beforehand) but he likely takes 3-4 years unless you just want to ruin his body and even then it's a low chance of him playing more than 100 games before his body is shot.

As far as getting hands on the ball he is absolutely elite. His athletic testing is a huge who ****ing knows because with such a major hip issue at a young age it's hard to tell whether it was impacting before and there is no way he's actually completely over the injury and fully balanced yet.

He could be a later pick who becomes the best extractor and a decent user from this draft. A diamond in the rough as they say. Or he could genuinely go undrafted and nobody ever hears about him at higher levels again.

 

[Peptide Pig]

The GF showed why want to draft a midfielder over a half back flanker in Toby.

The GF was won by the elite midfielders of Brisbane dominating. One of the best rebounding half backs in the game in the Lizzard had no influence. The best half back was a midfielder who transitioned back in Zorko.

If you can’t win the ball at the contest nothing else matters.

Draft Sid Draper or the best midfielder whoever it is. Yeo to half back more to extend his career.

stallon will stick to his guns which is totally fine, and he highlights the important point that we have multiple areas of need.

But I agree with the consensus on here that it has to be a mid first. Even listening to our coaches during the year, when we got beaten badly they always talked about the midfield contest letting us down. Classy outside players can come later, they are useless if we can’t win at the contest. Prime Gaff wouldn’t have got a touch for us the last couple of years.

Build a competitive midfield first then add some outside class or half back flair. We simply don’t have enough support for Harley and too many question marks around our midfield mix going forward. Back line is dicey too but there is some promising signs with Ginbey, Hough and maybe Maric and Hedwards. Ideally get a guy like Busslinger in before Gov hangs them up.

If we genuinely don’t rate the top midfield picks this year compared to next, why not trade pick 3 into next year? Would Tigers take it and gift us pick 1 next year for Sharp? Seems counterintuitive to delay bringing in talent but maybe we can bolster enough with trade ins and milk another year of decent footy from our veterans before making deeper changes next year.

Or split 3 + 23 for 6 + 9 and trade one for an F1 and keep one this year along with 13?

Or just say **** **** it and throw everything at Chad then bring in the role players around him and Harley. Gotta show him some improvement and ease the load on him so he believes it’s worth staying long term.

I hope we draft at least one gun mid and address some other needs, but the reality is unless they are a freak like Harley/Daicos/Ashcroft, an 18 year old is unlikely to give us a significant boost over the next couple of years. And we will see decreased output from veterans (Gov/Yeo) who have stood up well for us recently.

So do we focus solely on the draft and build slowly but risk losing Harley or do we be more aggressive targeting some established 20-24 year olds and try and rise up the ladder while guys like Jake and Oscar are still in their prime? Maybe a mix of both but it’s a delicate balance with Tassie approaching.

 

[shooshka]

To be fair though it is a lot easier to build a list when 2 of your starting mids were stars traded in and the rest are number 1 picks. They’ve nailed picks like Wilmot, Berry and Bailey but when your rotation mids are Ashcroft, Rayner and McCluggage it’s a fair bit easier

We don’t have the concessions they have, but if we can nail our 1st (plus more) this year then we are on the way to an elite midfield brigade (especially if Hewett gets his body right).

Way to go, but 2026 onwards I think we can look at trading for quality rather than just draft (happy to trade fringe assets for fringe players currently now, just need to try to avoid giving up early picks for the next 2 drafts).


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[new breed]

I’ll be very disappointed yes although apparently the chat around Longmire is correct.

Commentators on the ABC reckon one of the three interviewed will only be a senior assistant coach to Cox or Longmire ....
I don't think so .
No chance we're not that savy , devious .

 

[RanaNaved]

Reading through the thread recently I like how people are like 'let's get a role player from this team, or a role player from that team'..can we get a god damn competently great player first?

We're in this position to begin with because 90% of our team are role players and not very good ones

Starcevich as a free agent should be a no brainer tbh, we should be heavily in to him.

As eaglevision suggested we should also look at Farrell, because again, he's a free agent and we don't need to use valuable draft picks.

 

[Elite Pete]

Commentators on the ABC reckon one of the three interviewed will only be a senior assistant coach to Cox or Longmire ....
I don't think so .
No chance we're not that savy , devious .

Maybe to Longmire as a succession plan or maybe a Danny Daly if he only wants to do it short term (2years). Don’t think the Cox one would make sense.