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  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Sept 11 Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."




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I would refute that I reckon at least half are where body strength, or lack thereof, plays a part in them.
I did mine when I was tackled and that was at age 24.
I'm not a medical person, so I can't speak about the biomechanics of an acl.

You’re right briztoon in that typically ACL injuries are non contact, but a not insignificant amount do occur with contact/collision. Monocle raises a good point about body strength where patients are encouraged to do “prehab” strengthening exercises (mainly quads) in the period between injury and surgery. Doesn’t apply so much to AFL players given they are already in excellent condition but lack of stability (body strength) around the knee certainly contributes to ACL rupture and rerupture. The AFLW ACL rupture rates are over six times higher than the men for example.

Good article coauthored by the orthopaedic surgeon who does most of the Victorian players ACLs if anyone is interested:


Trade week obviously going gangbusters.
 
"I think some of us are getting married to the idea we need first rounders."

"It's not a huge deal to take picks in the 20s"

I'm not reaching at all, you never said exclusively.

Your implications are and have been through this whole thread that you'd split the top picks for lower picks and in doing so you would have missed out on players that delivered us and other teams premierships.

Anyway, I disagree with your entire sentiment, I wouldn't split 3 and I am glad we didn't split 1 last year and 3 in 2001.

You have no guarantee travaglia is still there at pick 6.
You want him you keep 3.
Except we suck hard at drafting midfielders from second onwards for Avery very long time

A blind man playing darts has a better strike rate than we do.
 

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If we want to be better in 2025 it’s option A, if we want the greatest chance at the best talent it’s Lindsay for me but that’s probably just because I’m higher on Lindsay than his likely draft position ends up.

Pick 14 for a kid that runs all day, has good disposal and racks regular 30 possession games, yes please.
With you on Lindsay. I associate pick 14 with him and hence my resentment on Baker using up that pick. Oh well, it will be like Robertson, Rivers and Warner as the players I felt I would have selected instead of Kelly - I still compare and contest ifs
 
If Richmond are sitting on their hands then lets get the picks ourselves.

Step 1
Pick 3 and 26 to Gold Coast for pick 6, 13 and 23.

Pick 3 gives Suns the pick the Tigers really want. Everyone knows pick 3 is a joke for Rioli so Tigers would need to throw in some of those 40's picks going back to the Suns or a future 3rd. Or Tigers pay a lump of cap space and upgrade Rioli to pick 3.

Suns get our 26 for bid matching.


Step 2
Barrass gets us 14 and F2nd.

Hold 6, 13, 14 and 23.

13 and 14 are in huge demand for the Huston and other deals.

Keep 13.

Step 3
Trade 14 to Swans for 19 and 22.

Then hold 6, 13, 19, 22 and 23.

19 for Baker?

Take 6, 13, 22 and 23 to the draft plus later picks.
 
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If Richmond are sitting on their hands then lets get the picks ourselves.

Step 1
Pick 3 and 26 to Gold Coast for pick 6, 13 and 23.

Pick 3 gives Suns the pick the Tigers really want. Everyone knows pick 3 is a joke for Rioki so Tigers would need to throw in some of those 40's picks going back to the Suns or a future 3rd. Or Tigers pay a lump of cap space and upgrade Riiki to pick 3.

Suns get our 26 for bid matching.


Step 2
Barrass gets us 14 and F2nd.

Hold 6, 13, 14 and 23.

13 and 14 are in huge demand for the Huston and other deals.

Keep 13.

Step 3
Trade 14 to Swans for 19 and 22.

Then hold 6, 13, 19, 22 and 23.

19 for Baker?

Take 6, 13, 22 and 23 to the draft plus later picks.

I know it’s a year away but we must be thinking Warner next year. How do we out ourselves in that game?
Unless Warner wants to go to Freo I would hate to see them get Bolton and Warner.
 
If Richmond are sitting on their hands then lets get the picks ourselves.

Step 1
Pick 3 and 26 to Gold Coast for pick 6, 13 and 23.

Pick 3 gives Suns the pick the Tigers really want. Everyone knows pick 3 is a joke for Rioki so Tigers would need to throw in some of those 40's picks going back to the Suns or a future 3rd. Or Tigers pay a lump of cap space and upgrade Riiki to pick 3.

Suns get our 26 for bid matching.


Step 2
Barrass gets us 14 and F2nd.

Hold 6, 13, 14 and 23.

13 and 14 are in huge demand for the Huston and other deals.

Keep 13.

Step 3
Trade 14 to Swans for 19 and 22.

Then hold 6, 13, 19, 22 and 23.

19 for Baker?

Take 6, 13, 22 and 23 to the draft plus later picks.
I like it but GCS will hold 13 for Collingwood. I’d just love to see them call Richmond’s bluff for Rioli and accept our F1 for 6 and 23. 14 to Swans for 19 and 22 is only a live trade I’d do on draft night if Lindsay is gone unless we’re certain he’ll get taken. If we’re certain he’s gone then 3,6,22,23,26,62,67 plus Baker would be a fantastic result.
 
I know it’s a year away but we must be thinking Warner next year. How do we out ourselves in that game?
Unless Warner wants to go to Freo I would hate to see them get Bolton and Warner.

We will hold a decent 1st next year, top 5 if not top 3. Significantly better than Freo.

Our 2026 1st added would then need something coming back.

If we can get to that point the rest is shuffles here and there.
 
Think you under estimate what a narcissist on the internet can claim to be. I can't believe anyone would actually think Phil is legit.

His BS has more holes then Swiss cheese.

Apart from showing a complete erratic and short sighted opinion on players we've drafted, which is the opposite of how a recruiter sees the game my favourite was when he was an Essendon employee sitting in on interviews... Until draft night when he was on the phone negotiating trades lmao.. in fact read most of his posts over the years and he basically had the role of secret list manager of Carlton and dons. Righto.

Each to their own what they believe on the internet I guess, but just fyi I have a Nigerian prince cousin who just needs to borrow some money briefly to take care of some loose ends, but no worries you will get all back and more. Pm me for the deets.
Hey, maybe your Nigerian contact is legit:

 

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The second we get F2 Hawks Clarke should be marched out onto TV and be asked to utter the sentence

We have
HAWKS F2
WCE F2
Pick 23

Those are the chips to play with. None of this pick 3 and pick 14 nonsense
 
Think you under estimate what a narcissist on the internet can claim to be. I can't believe anyone would actually think Phil is legit.

His BS has more holes then Swiss cheese.

Apart from showing a complete erratic and short sighted opinion on players we've drafted, which is the opposite of how a recruiter sees the game my favourite was when he was an Essendon employee sitting in on interviews... Until draft night when he was on the phone negotiating trades lmao.. in fact read most of his posts over the years and he basically had the role of secret list manager of Carlton and dons. Righto.

Each to their own what they believe on the internet I guess, but just fyi I have a Nigerian prince cousin who just needs to borrow some money briefly to take care of some loose ends, but no worries you will get all back and more. Pm me for the deets.

Don’t forget about his sizeable South West property portfolio that he manages all whilst flying in from Whore Island to moonlight as a trade deal whisperer…
 
Please stop telling me my BigFooty tooth fairy is not real, thanks.

What's next?? Keys is a spritely young 55 year old!?

Close

I’m 57

Not sure on the spritely part though
 
So rumor that Melbourne are chasing another 1st round pick this draft and are interested in Bo Allan.

If the Dees do pick Allan I wonder if this is a two way bet in stockpilling WA talent with one one on any future Reid trade?

Pickett
Rivers
Tholstrop
Bo Allen
Van Rooyen

A tidy group.
Decent list of players

Melbourne are desperate and stupid enough to throw that at us
 
So rumor that Melbourne are chasing another 1st round pick this draft and are interested in Bo Allan.

If the Dees do pick Allan I wonder if this is a two way bet in stockpilling WA talent with one one on any future Reid trade?

Pickett
Rivers
Tholstrop
Bo Allen
Van Rooyen

A tidy group.
Would be an absolutely bonkers strategy to draft in hopes of trading for a player down the line. It both requires Reid to want out of West Coast and then, most implausibly of all, nominate Melbourne.

But if any team was crazy enough to do it…
 
I wouldn't call myself an ITK more of a OTE (on the edge)

I have about 20 pm's with posters on this board where I share more than I do on here.

I have info I'm certain on and other info where I'm sceptical but I think that it's all part of the game.

I'd never post something if I didn't believe it's true at the time. I think my track record speaks for itself.
Can I join this stone cutters club?
 
I’m totally out of the loop regarding the draft and the players but I just saw FOS stated as a Bont like player. While Bont for his size isn’t the typical bull his size is an advantage. Interestingly FOS is 14cm shorter and in the modern day game stated as a small mid. First time I’ve seen a smaller mid compared to a bigger bodied mid
 
I’m totally out of the loop regarding the draft and the players but I just saw FOS stated as a Bont like player. While Bont for his size isn’t the typical bull his size is an advantage. Interestingly FOS is 14cm shorter and in the modern day game stated as a small mid. First time I’ve seen a smaller mid compared to a bigger bodied mid
Don't see that at all tbh. FOS is more a classy, fit user more outside type with good OH skills.

Probably a bit of an unpopular opinion but the way Smillie moves reminds me a lot of bont and he's Cripps size.
 

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