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  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Sept 11 Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."



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Well, well.

Three clubs shat the bed today - and West Coast wasn't one of them. Perhaps things are starting to turn after all.



Carlton are still living in the hope that getting D.Houston will somehow paper over the cracks and make them contenders.

The reality is they lost 7 of their last 9 matches to finish their season. A salary cap at its limits, players are being forced out, and talent under the age of 22 very thin. Their squad is on track to be weaker in 2025 than it was this year.

But apparently signing up a half-back flanker will make all the difference. The fact they don't have cap space for the player doesn't appear to be a barrier either - they are convinced that offering a very high pick, the kind that can deliver S.Draper, will persuade Port to keep paying for his contract after he leaves.

Problem is, they can't get that pick.

Aside from an F2 tied to Brisbane, they've expended all the pick currency they have. Even with that included, 12 + 14 + F2(40*) is not going to move a top 3 pick this year.

The assumption that a couple of middling first round picks equates to top 3 because of points values is laughable.

They have effectively given away a second round pick to deliver an aborted result. Now they will be caught between rebuilding and retreading - not good enough to compete, but too good to bottom out. An irrelevant existence much like Essendon and St Kilda awaits them.



Hawthorn showed their hand today and it reeked of desperation.

B.Smith - missed
H.Perryman - missed

J.Battle isn't going to turn them into a top four side.

S.Frost turns 32 next year. J.Sicily, K.Amon and J.Impey will each turn 30.

The Hawks know that if they want success, they have to go for it now before those players are crippled by time.


They have lined up T.Barrass since the start of the year, expecting it to be another piece that will just fall into place on the inevitable march to glory. It was so easy - so what if he's contracted if he wants to go to Box Hill? Just be thankful for the F3 that is coming with pick 14 and hurry along...

Faced with an unexpected standoff and the prospect of missing out on Barrass entirely, today Hawthorn blinked.

They traded away pick 14 for 2025 currency in a draft where almost every other club are doing the opposite.

The only reasonable scenario for that course of action in this draft, is to get Essendon's pick 9 or Gold Coast's pick 13. Presumably, a single pick upgrade isn't worth this level of effort, splitting and bargaining around, so I expect they're chasing the Bomber's pick.

A lot still to play out of course, but one thing is certain - Hawthorn will be back with an improved offer.

The Hawks aren't going to walk away; they need this deal if they want a shot at a premiership - they will be willing to pay overs to get it done.

If West Coast holds its ground, T.Barrass could end up going as high as 9 + F1 (or 13) for F2, which would be an exceptional outcome for the Eagles.

Should something like that occur, look out for a pick like 13 to be forwarded on to Sydney for 19 + 22, with one of those then offered to Richmond for L.Baker - if he isn't walked to the PSD.



Speaking of Richmond, they drank their own pick bathwater.

Picks 6, 10, 11, 13, 14, 18. All of these were coming to them as part of some higher ordained right to rebuild before Tasmania enters the competition.

It didn't matter if pick 20 cost four picks between 30 and 45 - the others would surely come because that's what is meant to happen.


Except they have been absolute campaigners, getting ahead of themselves and half of the competition has had enough of their antics already.

At least when Geelong play that game, quality is involved. The Tigers are holding up the whole trade period haggling over buckets of crap.

14 is gone; 13 also looking at the same fate. Surely Fremantle don't jump the shark and they keep hold of at least one of their first round picks.

That's likely down to 6, 10 and 18 to join their picks 1, 20 and 24. Still a very strong draft, but I'm sure those other picks that now won't be coming their way could have been gained had they been more accommodating and added those picks between 30 and 45 to prospective deals.

If they don't get those high picks, that rebuild is starting to look very cold, lonely and for a considerably extended period.

Too bad they traded out any good-will currency they had to help the Lions with their magic academy beans. :violin:
We’re not getting 9 and 13 for TB
 
Had Hawthorn’s proposed trade been accepted by us they would have been left with their F1 and our F3

So we’ll take the Carlton F1 and F2 plus Hawthorn’s F2 and hand back our F3. Leaving Hawthorn with their F1 and our F3

Hawthorn are no worse off

Had Hawthorn accepted our proposal we’d have pick 14 and their F2 whilst retaining our own F3

Instead, per the above we would hold -

Carlton’s F1 (instead of 14) and Carlton’s F2 (instead of our F3). We have Hawthorn’s F2 in both scenarios

Give Richmond the Carlton F1 for Baker rather than 14

We’re in the same spot except we hold Carlton’s F2 instead of our F3


I think the media narrative that Hawthorn got impatient is wrong and that instead we’ve forced them to find a way to improve their offer which they are now capable of doing

It’ll be interesting how this plays out over the weekend
Clarke publicly directed the Hawks to go find the picks.
 
Early weekend thoughts:

While I was happy with 14 for Barrass I'd it went to young talent, it is good to see the list manager stick to their guns. WCE has repeatedly said he is worth more than that, so I am happy we rejected what was pick 14 and not even steak knives, but plastic knives from McDonald's.

I think pick 23 is more than far for Baker all things considered. I would tell the Tigers we value Baker at pick 23 and are happy to trade it. Obviously, through no fault of our own, it is no longer pick 23, and if Richmond has a problem with that I encourage them to take it up with who is responsible, the AFL.
 

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Well, well.

Three clubs shat the bed today - and West Coast wasn't one of them. Perhaps things are starting to turn after all.



Carlton are still living in the hope that getting D.Houston will somehow paper over the cracks and make them contenders.

The reality is they lost 7 of their last 9 matches to finish their season. A salary cap at its limits, players are being forced out, and talent under the age of 22 very thin. Their squad is on track to be weaker in 2025 than it was this year.

But apparently signing up a half-back flanker will make all the difference. The fact they don't have cap space for the player doesn't appear to be a barrier either - they are convinced that offering a very high pick, the kind that can deliver S.Draper, will persuade Port to keep paying for his contract after he leaves.

Problem is, they can't get that pick.

Aside from an F2 tied to Brisbane, they've expended all the pick currency they have. Even with that included, 12 + 14 + F2(40*) is not going to move a top 3 pick this year.

The assumption that a couple of middling first round picks equates to top 3 because of points values is laughable.

They have effectively given away a second round pick to deliver an aborted result. Now they will be caught between rebuilding and retreading - not good enough to compete, but too good to bottom out. An irrelevant existence much like Essendon and St Kilda awaits them.



Hawthorn showed their hand today and it reeked of desperation.

B.Smith - missed
H.Perryman - missed

J.Battle isn't going to turn them into a top four side.

S.Frost turns 32 next year. J.Sicily, K.Amon and J.Impey will each turn 30.

The Hawks know that if they want success, they have to go for it now before those players are crippled by time.


They have lined up T.Barrass since the start of the year, expecting it to be another piece that will just fall into place on the inevitable march to glory. It was so easy - so what if he's contracted if he wants to go to Box Hill? Just be thankful for the F3 that is coming with pick 14 and hurry along...

Faced with an unexpected standoff and the prospect of missing out on Barrass entirely, today Hawthorn blinked.

They traded away pick 14 for 2025 currency in a draft where almost every other club are doing the opposite.

The only reasonable scenario for that course of action in this draft, is to get Essendon's pick 9 or Gold Coast's pick 13. Presumably, a single pick upgrade isn't worth this level of effort, splitting and bargaining around, so I expect they're chasing the Bomber's pick.

A lot still to play out of course, but one thing is certain - Hawthorn will be back with an improved offer.

The Hawks aren't going to walk away; they need this deal if they want a shot at a premiership - they will be willing to pay overs to get it done.

If West Coast holds its ground, T.Barrass could end up going as high as 9 + F1 (or 13) for F2, which would be an exceptional outcome for the Eagles.

Should something like that occur, look out for a pick like 13 to be forwarded on to Sydney for 19 + 22, with one of those then offered to Richmond for L.Baker - if he isn't walked to the PSD.



Speaking of Richmond, they drank their own pick bathwater.

Picks 6, 10, 11, 13, 14, 18. All of these were coming to them as part of some higher ordained right to rebuild before Tasmania enters the competition.

It didn't matter if pick 20 cost four picks between 30 and 45 - the others would surely come because that's what is meant to happen.


Except they have been absolute campaigners, getting ahead of themselves and half of the competition has had enough of their antics already.

At least when Geelong play that game, quality is involved. The Tigers are holding up the whole trade period haggling over buckets of crap.

14 is gone; 13 also looking at the same fate. Surely Fremantle don't jump the shark and they keep hold of at least one of their first round picks.

That's likely down to 6, 10 and 18 to join their picks 1, 20 and 24. Still a very strong draft, but I'm sure those other picks that now won't be coming their way could have been gained had they been more accommodating and added those picks between 30 and 45 to prospective deals.

If they don't get those high picks, that rebuild is starting to look very cold, lonely and for a considerably extended period.

Too bad they traded out any good-will currency they had to help the Lions with their magic academy beans. :violin:
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Ah this post made my morning
 
If West Coast holds its ground, T.Barrass could end up going as high as 9 + F1 (or 13) for F2, which would be an exceptional outcome for the Eagles.
Love the post Dylan82 . Was intrigued to read this part. How does Hawthorn acquire pick 9 from Essendon AND 13 from GCS? I can only see them with enough capital for one or the other, not to mention trading out 14 only to end up with 13 seems counterintuitive.

I mentioned earlier yesterday I thought the Hawks would be gunning for pick 9, although I still think the most likely new deal would be 2 x F1s and F3 for our F2 and F4.

The F3 for F4 may seem trivial but it’s points for matching next year and F4s will be absolutely useless to us if there’s a bid on any of our FS/NGAs in the third round, which there almost certainly will be.

I also believe the pre trade period reporting of us wanting 2xR1/F1s is closer to the truth than us being prepared to accept 14 + F2, so you may well be on the money but how?
 
Anyone else thinks this F1 and 2x F2 talk kinda stinks ?

Perhaps if it was a current rnd 1 pick, but I think it's a pretty awful deal otherwise, especially if the F1 goes to Baker.
 
Interestingly, I floated Barrass for 8 on the Saints board and the reaction was overwhelmingly negative.
I think that’s a reasonable reaction. They aren’t going to win a flag in his time there so what’s the point in using that kind of draft capital? Hawks, Pies, Blues and Dogs are the sides who would consider giving up pick 8 for him if they held it. We’d need one of the above clubs as a third party.
 

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Getting mixed messages here 🤦‍♂️

Tom flog Morris says were loading up on picks for next year. Which contradicts earlier reports we wanted more picks/selection in this year's draft.

This year's draft is the even one everyone is frothing over and think you can find a gun at pick 30.

So why are we apparently now preferring next year's compromised piece of shit draft to this one?

Personally I want nothing to do with any Future picks for 2025. I'd even be up for trading our future picks. Get in this draft and hit it hard, make the most of the talent whilst it's there.
 
Getting mixed messages here 🤦‍♂️

Tom flog Morris says were loading up on picks for next year. Which contradicts earlier reports we wanted more picks/selection in this year's draft.

This year's draft is the even one everyone is frothing over and think you can find a gun at pick 30.

So why are we apparently now preferring next year's compromised piece of shit draft to this one?

Personally I want nothing to do with any Future picks for 2025. I'd even be up for trading our future picks. Get in this draft and hit it hard, make the most of the talent whilst it's there.
Maybe they can use the future picks we get for Barrass to trade back into this draft.
 
Issues with the trade as put forward by the ministry of propaganda at AFL house.

  • Richmond clean out West Coast who get no long-term benefits from moving on Barrass.
  • West Coast want to generate a pick of substance from the Barrass/ Baker interchange.
  • Hawthorn trade wants something back for their 1st round pick. They've achieved that independently of West Coast.

So many obvious solutions to the deadlock and i don't think the Baker trade is in any way contingent on a trade with the Hawks, Richmond if they want could settle with Fremantle & Gold Coast then move onto a trade with us that offered up pick 6.

This is why the reaction from Ralphy, Cal and others shows a bias concerned entirely with satisfying Richmond and Hawthorn in these trades. We need picks, the media has been telling us to shop mature players for years and the moment we do we need a neutral outcome as far as pick generation is concerned.

If we came out of this trade period with something like the following id he happy.

2024 - 6, 26, 51, 63 & Baker
2025 - 3, 11, 13, 31, 57 (provisional as of 12/10/24)
 

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