List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Balls In]

The whole season of dismal failure and the one saving grace was the prospect of adding a gun partner in crime next to Harley. Had one job this shit stain of an admin and it coughed it up.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

On the face of it this trade looks insane. But I want to wait until the Barrass trade and see what happens on field 25 to see if this has been the total disaster it appears. Trusting the process etc. Doesn't look great right now.

 

[BartBart]

Geez - Facebook WCE fans are koolaid drinkers who support everything, even the indefensible.

 

[Bacchus]

That sounds like a luxury afforded to clubs in the top 4 who are a destination club. We're a rabble. We can't approach trade and FA in the same way because we need to beg players to join us at this point.

Bend over in other words.

 

[garlic munchers]

The Vic media gaslighting is a beauty when talking the trade from WCE perspective.

"It's a deep draft"

"WCE will get a great talent at 12"

"Such even talent it was a good move"


Then, they switch to Carlton

"Next up, let's discuss the elite top end talent Carlton has just traded access to............"

Upside is our trading our future with Carlton, thus preventing Freo from winning a premiership .......... which must have been the plan and if so, we are awesome bastards!!!!

 

[Off Tap]

You know it's bad when my Maltese/Shitsu cross has asked for me to can her dog membership this afternoon. She's pissed.

 

[Boohemian]

Christ. 3x for Warner next year?

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

The whole season of dismal failure and the one saving grace was the prospect of adding a gun partner in crime next to Harley. Had one job this shit stain of an admin and it coughed it up.

It's ok Hewett will save us all.

 

[BartBart]

On paper it will be sold as 2 x F1s.

But in reality we all know it will be closer to 2025 14 & 2025 16 for Barrass and 2025 24.

And if you allow for pushbacks... something like

Barrass & F32 for F20 & F23 ?

 

[new breed]

What's really impressive , thread heading towards 600 pages probably 100 pages in 24 hrs.

 

[The Gtrain]

I don't think they have it in them (WC) to play hardball with Hawthorn, very much doubt we get 2 x F1s for TB.

Given the current fallout, I expect them to try and play hardball. Surely the board must be asking for a please explain

 

[PremiershipNo4]

These are Fukushima level melt downs, the best I’ve ever seen.
We might have to keep the ships with the water jets spraying this for months, years even.
Good luck Keys

 

[Farang83150]

Given the current fallout, I expect them to try and play hardball. Surely the board must be asking for a please explain

Would be nice if true but honestly don't think they have it in them.
Just can't fathom how Baker gets Richmond and Carlton brilliant deals while not thinking about what it's doing to the club he wants to join and our people in charge obviously agree with him.
He's an ok player, but seriously.
Very hard to come to terms with at the mo.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

I think this Warner talk is just a convenient way of excusing this appalling trade.

If we were certain (Warner was coming next year) we could have traded 3 for a potential future top 5 pick and extras.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Nothing will out meme our awful trade but gee, Pies now with 52/55/58 in this draft and no future first.

All in on a decidedly aging group without much depth of young talent whatsoever.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

And it wasn't enough to give Richmond pick 3 but for good measure we licked there ringhole and begged them to our 2 picks in the 60s.

We refused to take no for an answer.

We graciously send kind words to Richmond for helping us in this ordeal and we will forever be in their debt for assisting us.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Given the current fallout, I expect them to try and play hardball. Surely the board must be asking for a please explain

17 other clubs would now be looking at this list management group and laughing at the concept of them playing hard ball.

 

[Bender_]

I think this Warner talk is just a convenient way of excusing this appalling trade.

If we were certain (Warner was coming next year) we could have traded 3 for a potential future top 5 pick and extras.

You're not wrong, and all things being equal with Barrass and Baker that well could've occurred. Or we keep it for ourselves. But that's not how it went unfortunately.

 

[Ellroy80]

No i'm not happy with Baker for 14. You know that. People also know my opinions on baker.

The club and Richmond have also been ****ed over by the AFL here. That and we were supposed to have future trading 2 years in advance.

Both clubs would have been happy with an extra 200k per year on Graham's contract. Richmond were told it wasn't going to improve their FA pick to tier 3. It was supposed to be Tier 3 compo and our second round pick and the club ended up with both players.

Now that goes through and I think people would be happy with that. Would people still be pissy about pick 12 and 14 for pick 3 in this draft? I don't think so. I would be as pick 14 is 1 pick too late imo. Thanks AFL for sucking st kilda's dick.

I'm pretty sure people can guess who I don't get along with, who is making the largest part of these decisions and it's not myself and who made commitments early when they shouldn't have.

I think people also need to understand just how hard it is to get senior bodies to come to a club deep in the shit and thousands of kilometres away and it has had a major influence on decisions made. You also have to get the players to agree to come to the club. Carlton were always going to offer Owies a contract, it just would have been well unders so no, the club couldn't have taken him as a DFA and with all the smalls Richmond are losing, yes they would have had interest for free in the PSD.

People have seen lots of young highly talented players bodies destroyed by being thrown in the deep end too early at Victorian clubs. Add travel to that and I think people can begin to understand the club just can't select top tier talent and throw it to the wolves.

I'm emotional and pissed off myself, but I really am already pushing the envelope of what I can say already. I may have to come back in here and delete shit again as it is.

Oh and lastly. Yes Freo offered 10,11,18 for Baker and Bolton. Freo so far have stuck to 10 and 18 on Bolton. Now if an easy deal is on the table for 2 players who want to leave back to WA that gets Richmond pretty much everything they want people can guess the reason why those 2 aren't both at Freo.

Apologies I had a lot more written but had to delete.

Thanks for the insight, WCE_phil. I appreciate whatever information you are comfortable in sharing. Sounds like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Cursedsword02]

 

[ROO DOGG]

Check the news feed Harley spoke on Saturday that he was keen for Wce to add Baker ..


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

Nek minit Harley requests a trade to carltank.

 

[Ishmael_]

Can everyone just chill out!

We'll have plenty of high draft picks and cap space in 2026 when Baker retires and Harley leaves.

Sure we'll be a bit light on after trading out of the 2025/26 drafts to acquire a soon to be 26 year old Warner - BUT we'll be ready to bounce once we've traded the Reid picks for DFA Logan McDonald.

Trust the plan!

 

[ReidBetweenTheLines]

Over exaggerating a little?

Over exaggerating a little?

Hard to see us improving at all for 2025. Early in 2026 vicco clubs will be in Harleys ear and if the Eagles are still a bottom 4 side you wouldn’t blame him for bailing on us.

The whole sweetener for a country Vic lad having to move over to Perth was that it’s West Coast and we have a history and culture of success. The last 3 years have been anything but and we have 18 months to climb up the ladder before Reid’s decision.

Todays trade makes that climb look very shaky

 

[garlic munchers]

I am of the opinion that this may be sponsorship driven.

Pyke would be well aware of sponsors tieing their dollars to performance on field and if we have another year of 5 wins and finish bottom 3 again we start to lose sponsors or the dollars start to reduce.

Baker, owies and Graham may just lift us to 8 wins and stop the rot off field.

It's shit but it's quite possible this is sponsorship driven.

Not trying to attack you directly, but laughable if we are thinking of going anywhere without adding elite talent.

We can beat the tiggers (x 2) for the next couple of years, maybe Roos twice this year, plus maybe a couple of upsets at home (i.e. Demons, Bombers).

Crows way better, Saints on the improve as are Pies, Freo and GC.

We are f####ed and I can only think our pygmy brains trust thinks the AFL will be showering us with PP's.

Scotty Cummings for CEO ASAP.

 

[Spod]

Nothing will out meme our awful trade but gee, Pies now with 52/55/58 in this draft and no future first.

All in on a decidedly aging group without much depth of young talent whatsoever.

Yeah this ^

Pies going all in so hard it makes the Kelly trade look restrained. Serious gamble where they could crash incredibly badly at the worst possible time with Tassie around.