List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Elite Pete]

Didn’t Clarke categorically say we had no interest in him?

Yeah ruled it out during trade period.

Not sure if that counts now if we can get him for free ect.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Clurey is solid back up option but already 30 and only required of a few I injuries. Mehhh

DGB, loads younger and has talent just seems to be suffering in the confidence stakes. Surely his tank is on the improve too from where it was a few years back.
He seems more boom or bust type, I'd rather take the risk on DGB than Clurey.

I'd still be targeting a kpd in the draft too.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

We rebuilding or what!?

 

[Coasters7]

Clurey is solid back up option but already 30 and only required of a few I injuries. Mehhh

DGB, loads younger and has talent just seems to be suffering in the confidence stakes. Surely his tank is on the improve too from where it was a few years back.
He seems more boom or bust type, I'd rather take the risk on DGB than Clurey.

I'd still be targeting a kpd in the draft too.

Still super young for a KPD too, although from Hawthorns pov you can understand why they would’ve wanted more at this stage from a pick 6.

Players are usually delisted for a reason (Kane Lucas and Cale Morton spring to mind as highly rated juniors that got given multiple opportunities), but I feel like the chance a KPP can turn it around it higher. Plus it would make the Barrass trade far more palatable if we ended up with his replacement.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

We've just cut a fair few potatoes, can we avoid replacing them instantly with more like DGB? Thanks.

 

[Ghossein]

is the only outstanding one LEdwards?

 

[KERRPOW]

We've just cut a fair few potatoes, can we avoid replacing them instantly with more like DGB? Thanks.

Exactly.

We still have head potato petch on the list anyway.

 

[Ghossein]

We've just cut a fair few potatoes, can we avoid replacing them instantly with more like DGB? Thanks.

He's worth a rookie spot surely? Give him a year to prove something or cut

We need back up KPDs anyway

 

[bzparkes]

We've just cut a fair few potatoes, can we avoid replacing them instantly with more like DGB? Thanks.

Would be funny as shit if we turned him into a gun defender, after they dropped him for Barrass though.

 

[Jukes]

Is Bo Allen the new Dan Curtain?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

He's worth a rookie spot surely? Give him a year to prove something or cut

We need back up KPDs anyway

There's got to be better out there.

 

[WCErevival]

Would DGB be any better than Jamieson? Or Barnett?

 

[Ghossein]

Would DGB be any better than Jamieson? Or Barnett?

That is the question

if McGovern or HEdwards go out with injury, who comes in?

 

[Ghossein]

DGB on the rookie list is a low-risk, high-reward option

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Here is Ginbey’s U18 AA wrap. I still think he will be a mid when fully developed. His size / strength / power combo will get to a level to monster guys in there over the next couple seasons I reckon. Got to remember his age and he isn’t fully formed yet - which is scary:

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Just like bo allen , ginbey a HBF played midfield in the under 18s champs .

Averaging 21 touches isn't great as one of your prime midfielders . You need to be averaging 25-30 when playing exclusively midfield.

If we draft bo allen intending him to be a defender that's fine if Travaglia is gone .

If we are drafting bo allen intending him to be a midfielder that's where I have a problem . There will be half a dozen guys with better midfield prospects potentially at that pick

 

[Ghossein]

Just like bo allen , ginbey a HBF played midfield in the under 18s champs .

Averaging 21 touches isn't great as one of you prime midfielders . You need to be averaging 25-30 when playing exclusively midfield.

If we draft bo allen intending him to be a defender that's fine if Travaglia is gone .

If we are drafting bo allen intending him to be a midfielder that's where I have a problem . There will be half a dozen guys with better midfield prospects potentially at that pick

we have enough midfielders, we need more defenders

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

DGB on the rookie list is a low-risk, high-reward option

low risk, low-reward. He’s shite man. No benefit here. The 2020 draft class is a bunch of potatoes

 

[Rowan18]

From the 2021 playing list (of 42) only 15 now remain, which could become 14 if Luke Edwards is moved on. Seven of them played in our 2018 premiership

Two thirds of our playing list replaced in 4 years

No, you don't understand, we haven't even started our rebuild yet!

But seriously, this is a great stat to show the level of turnover. New coach will need at least 12 months to bed in a gameplan, but I'd expect us to push for finals in 2026.

 

[JackOutback]

There's got to be better out there.

While not every top 10 pick works out, there had to be some talent for him to go at number 6 only a few years ago. As pointed out, it's basically no risk so why not have a punt.

 

[braddalzielleoursaviour]

In fact how is he even low risk? Low risk of becoming good?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So for those that wanted to lynch Clarke, I believe he has nailed the delisted players. The Luke Edwards concussion piece is still likely to occur but not on our desired timeline. Worst case I can see is AFL drag their feet and we open up a spot via train on SSP.


I am reflecting on what has happened in trade season.

The mistake was not to split the pick. The mistake was giving up too much for Baker which was a matter of timing.

Darling Trade
Would have liked 67 but sod all in it for me on 62 or 67. I would have also waited until later with Norf as you cannot give up 67 if you do not hold it. Let Jack and Norf know that it was agreed but hold off doing the deal.

Split 3 Early
The problem was that we all knew Richmond would have a suite of picks post trades with Bolton and Rioli and we had expected to be able to deal with them in isolation. Mistake. We wanted a split of 3 and a trade of Baker with the same club. Big mistake. When you consider that Blues gave up a F1 and F2 for 14, I see little difference on Hawks or Blues F1 and F2. Do the deal with Carlton on the split and give just 3 in return for 12, F1, F2 and Owies. Maybe we needed to offer 63 for Owies but possibly not if we go early.

Barrass Trade
Tom for 14 plus the sweetener of Hawks F3 with our F4 coming back. That in essence is what we got in the end. Just do it and do it early but after the split of 3.

Baker Trade
Now we have our hand set, we address Baker. Offer 19 for Baker (I believe Sydney were up for 19 and 22 for 14) or give Tigers the option of 14 and a couple of R3 picks coming back.


We would have finished with
Option A- Baker and 2 R3 picks for 14
Draft hand - 12, 26, 43, 51 and 67

Option B- Baker for 22
Draft hand - 12, 22 26 and 67

Still hold similar future picks but tied to Blues not Hawks.

Oh well, I hope that Don is aware and makes sure you have experienced and successful negotiators in the future.

NB: I am obviously not letting this Baker for 14 problem go away. Pity Duggan has jumper 14 as I would prefer to give it to Baker so that I remember in 5 years time.

 

[JackOutback]

In fact how is he even low risk? Low risk of becoming good?

Because he takes up a rookie spot that would otherwise go to someone else also with low risk of becoming good.

 

[amazingjoshy]

In fact how is he even low risk? Low risk of becoming good?

Because he's free?

 

[Monocle]

Clurey is solid back up option but already 30 and only required of a few I injuries. Mehhh

DGB, loads younger and has talent just seems to be suffering in the confidence stakes. Surely his tank is on the improve too from where it was a few years back.
He seems more boom or bust type, I'd rather take the risk on DGB than Clurey.

I'd still be targeting a kpd in the draft too.

Clurey is a real break glass sort of pick, Tomlinson same age would be a much better prospect.
Not keen on either TBH as it reeks of desperation.

AS for DGB ...... no harm I guess to get him in and have a look see, you would think he would be heading home back to Swan Districts anyway.

If I was to take a look at any of the Hawks castoffs for a KPD backup, I would much prefer Ethan Phillips, only 25 and I though his KPD work, at Port Melbourne, pre being picked up by the Hawks, was pretty bloody impressive.
With them bringing in TB, Battle and keeping Frosty, I feel that Phillips has fallen victim to depth chart squeeze.

I would much prefer him that Clurey, Tomlinson or DGB as an KPD fall back option

Although the sick vindictive part of me , would love DGB to come good with us and show the Hawks that they blew a player that they spent pick 6 on, in the 2020 National draft.
Would be a nice turnabout to the obnoxious dick swinging Hawks fans.


Now not advocating that we pick him up but I was very surprised that Port cut Tom Scully, he is still only 19 and 203 cm KPF require time to develop.
I guess Port are in the must win here and now.

I suspect Scully goes back to West Adelaide and develops his craft in the SANFL.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Don't hate it tbh