List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Some posters like Hewitt others not so much. Some want Hollands, others think he's vanilla. Some call Clark over rated, others want him. Same for Phillipou, Busslinger, Ginbey, Tsatas and Humphrey.

What chance does O'Brien have of not getting a serve on here from someone?

Can't think of a single draft where everyone was happy.

People would have melted when we drafted Judd.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Seven more days and we get 2 picks for day 1 , going to be a blast ..


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My melting hat is ready. Go hard and have a complete meltdown.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

I would have thought a dual All-Australian, best and fairest winner and consistent player over a long period of time is what we want.

The disrespect Gaff gets around here after a down 2021-2022 while playing injured from people with short memories.

Agree. Gaff is actually tough as nails and durable to boot. Every team needs a player like that on the wing. Think of how good he was for us, and consistently, just a few short years ago. Hope he can get back to his best.

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[AsterixTheGaul]

What would we use to buy back in at 10? Wouldn't they expect to get back the Adelaide F1 we just received for 8?

Assume in this scenario we are hanging on to 12

I'd offer 20 and our future R2. So it would be 10 for 20 plus something like 20-25.

I am hearing Blues have targets at 20 that they like and that would give them 20 along with their 29. Their list is in a very different state to ours so will view the draft very differently. A Clarke, George or Konstanty (Hotton may still be there at 20) would be of high appeal for them now and they will not get them at 29 and 10 is a reach. 20 and something like 21-25 next year is still a big points swing to the Blues. They would do well to delay an early second round pick for another year.

We would make out like bandits if this all aligned. Sure we miss out on Phillipou but as I said, we only do the deal if we think he is not for us. Doing the Crows and Blues deal would land us close on the same 4 picks we would have taken this year plus upgrade the future

Net imapct
Out Pick 8 plus Our F2 and Port F2
In Pick 10 plus Crows F1 and Norf F3

Points wise it looks like


It is a gamble that is based on the Crows not making finals.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Agree. Gaff is actually tough as nails and durable to boot. Every team needs a player like that on the wing. Think of how good he was for us, and consistently, just a few short years ago. Hope he can get back to his best.

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Playing Gaff on his wing and not at stoppages is the first thing.

Secondly, we have some better game strategy that improved the link up and stopped players kicking backwards.

Thirdly, take a trick from Richmond and work out what they do well and start using that, not asking them to do diferent things.

I am really hoping Gaff has another 2 to 3 more really good years in him at West Coast. Just not on as in inside bull.

 

[ep2018]

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Double the melts

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

briztoon - if Ashcroft is matched at 2 and Fletcher at 16, how many points are you short?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Thirdly, take a trick from Richmond and work out what they do well and start using that, not asking them to do diferent things.

Why Richmond, just look to what we did in 2018 and do that again. That's when we stopped dumb shit like playing midfielders as forwards, told Masten to run opponents ragged instead of trying to bulk up etc.

 

[CountryLad]

What would trigger this? A feeling by the recruitment team that Phillipou was not mature enough to cope interstate and then unable to resist the lure of home. We could probably buy back in with Carlton as I suspect their pick at 10 could be purchased.

The chance to pick up the Crows future first is tempting. Pick 8 for a future pick R1 that I'd estimate it at 5-9 and 46.

If it was done at the beginning of the draft, I would forgo 46 and ask for a swap of second rounder - we give them Port's F2 and get Norf's F2. Crows will need some points for the F/S this year hence 46of value to them. Crows will like the idea of holding their rivals future second.

That would see us with future picks of :
R1 - Own and Crows (2 picks in the top 10)
R2 - Own and Norf (2 picks in the early 20's)
R3 - Own and Port (1 pick early 40 and one pick early 50)
R4 - Own (early 60)

The points for the second and onward picks would equate to pick 2 in points so Suns F1 a real possibility

It would mean that we delay the rebuild a bit. It would allow us this year -
12 - Hewett or Hollands
20 - Hotton or Clarke
26 - Burgiel or Jones

Alternative to buying Blues pick 10, I would try to get GWS pick 31 and land Kaleb Smith, Probably need to give up a our future third and change.

The likelihood of Phillipou being there at 8 is probably the thing that makes or breaks the deal. If it was on draft night and we were sitting at pick 8 with Phillipou on the table and able to guarantee it, the price is goes up. "We live in a very different world than we did 30 minutes ago". I would want their F1, Norf's F2 and give them the Phillipou pick and Port's F3. That would effectively be 5-9 and 20-22 for 8 and 50-52.

Doubt he will be available at pick 9 recon the Bombers or Hawks will swoop.

You would think the only deal would be done live at pick 9 on trade night if the Poo was still there. It would have to be good otherwise just take him.
Crows future 1st and the future 2nd tied to Nth would be the minimum and even then you would still have to consider the 12 months of development. Wouldn’t be giving anything back to the crows.

Remember if the Poo was a few days younger he would probably be a top 1-5 pick in next years draft easily on ranking atm.

 

[Obeanie1]

He said Gunston or Bock you dingbats.

I just wondered if Geelong had some how sprung another incredibly amazingly one sided pick swap with a F1st to get another pick for Ginbey in this draft.

Anyway we move onwards and backwards to.........Gunston and / or Bock!

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Can't think of a single draft where everyone was happy.

People would have melted when we drafted Judd.

But we didn't!

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[Miguel Sanchez]

Can't think of a single draft where everyone was happy.

People would have melted when we drafted Judd.

“We’re desperate for a key forward, there’s a future star who’s a local available at 3 and they take Judd and his dodgy shoulders over Polak??” - someone on this board in November 2001, surely.

 

[bzparkes]

“We’re desperate for a key forward, there’s a future star who’s a local available at 3 and they take Judd and his dodgy shoulders over Polak??” - someone on this board in November 2001, surely.

There was plenty of this, looking back through the old threads.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

There was plenty of this, looking back through the old threads.

Drafts

3. Judd 6. Sampi

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Some good ones here.

 

[Cuzz09]

Crows could very well be that side that rises out of nowhere next year as they looked OK in patches last year.

Wouldn't do.

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[AsterixTheGaul]

So we need to let the draft come to us and keep the phones manned. Stay flexible and keep options open.

Meanwhile all this talk of Phillipou to the Dons/Hawks, rising speculation on Humphrey and Ginbey to the Suns, it still works for us. Let those top end balanced mids slide back to us.

The Cats have said very little. Never do. I suspect they do not need balanced mids having just landed Bruhn and Bowes and with last year having a clear focus on mids. They are queuing up at the door at Corio Bay. Is it something very different they want? Is it Humphrey as a Dusty light? Is it Busslinger as a Stewart mark II? Is it Jefferson who is can take over from Hawkins? If Tastas slips to 7, surely they would be tempted to see him running riot at the Cattery cigar shaped long oval?

 

[amazingjoshy]

Drafts

3. Judd 6. Sampi

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Some good ones here.

Most the melting seems to be about taking sickies

 

[Keys]

So Winder and Trew trained at the club today which would indicate the club is at least considering redrafting either one or both of them

Leaves me intrigued on the strategy once our first 4 picks are taken - we have a 5th main draft pick (currently 71) then two rookie draft selections available

We also have two NGA players Dewar and Baker(?) that we can list as Cat b rookies provided there’s no bids on either in the main draft - Baker would be safe but Dewar could possibly attract a bid late

Are we planning on using our 5th pick or is that purely insurance to match a Dewar bid

Surely we use pick 2 in the RD.

So is the plan to not use the 5th pick unless forced to, then add Trew and Winder as rookies to fill our list

Or is the plan to use that 5th pick if we can (and risk missing Dewar if a bid comes) and then rookie only one of Trew or Winder

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So Winder and Trew trained at the club today which would indicate the club is at least considering redrafting either one or both of them

Leaves me intrigued on the strategy once our first 4 picks are taken - we have a 5th main draft pick (currently 71) then two rookie draft selections available

We also have two NGA players Dewar and Baker(?) that we can list as Cat b rookies provided there’s no bids on either in the main draft - Baker would be safe but Dewar could possibly attract a bid late

Are we planning on using our 5th pick or is that purely insurance to match a Dewar bid

Surely we use pick 2 in the RD.

So is the plan to not use the 5th pick unless forced to, then add Trew and Winder as rookies to fill our list

Or is the plan to use that 5th pick if we can (and risk missing Dewar if a bid comes) and then rookie only one of Trew or Winder

According to the latest AFL.com draft order (taking into account clubs list spots), we have pick 71 and only 12 picks after us.


I would like to think we have agreed with Freo on not stealing NGA's with a late just to be smart @rses. Being so close to end of the main draft and then into the rookie draft when you only need to give a 1 year contract, why would an interstate club commit to 2 years on a very speculative pick? I doubt very much that clubs have spent much time interviewing Dewar as to his ability to relocate.

Keep an open mind going to the draft. If a Broadbent or a Foster were there at 71 (which will probably be under 60), then go for it as you will need to give big guys at least 2 years before you can make a decision.

Alternatively if we feel confident that Dewar is a keeper, just pull the trigger as a rookie. The idea of hoping that nobody takes him as a rookie is probably not worth the extra player as a Cat B. Not great for the NGA guys feeling that they are hung out to wait in limbo so long.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

Playing Gaff on his wing and not at stoppages is the first thing.

Secondly, we have some better game strategy that improved the link up and stopped players kicking backwards.

Thirdly, take a trick from Richmond and work out what they do well and start using that, not asking them to do diferent things.

I am really hoping Gaff has another 2 to 3 more really good years in him at West Coast. Just not on as in inside bull.

Hit the nail on the head

 

[Keys]

According to the latest AFL.com draft order (taking into account clubs list spots), we have pick 71 and only 12 picks after us.
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I would like to think we have agreed with Freo on not stealing NGA's with a late just to be smart @rses. Being so close to end of the main draft and then into the rookie draft when you only need to give a 1 year contract, why would an interstate club commit to 2 years on a very speculative pick? I doubt very much that clubs have spent much time interviewing Dewar as to his ability to relocate.

Keep an open mind going to the draft. If a Broadbent or a Foster were there at 71 (which will probably be under 60), then go for it as you will need to give big guys at least 2 years before you can make a decision.

Alternatively if we feel confident that Dewar is a keeper, just pull the trigger as a rookie. The idea of hoping that nobody takes him as a rookie is probably not worth the extra player as a Cat B. Not great for the NGA guys feeling that they are hung out to wait in limbo so long.

Agree with what you’re saying, although Richmond would worry me as someone who would be comfortable taking a chance with Dewar

Also, if Dewar gets through the main draft he’s ours as a cat b. There’s no need to wait for the rookie draft to run as we can prelist him prior to the RD as a cat b

 

[shooshka]

According to the latest AFL.com draft order (taking into account clubs list spots), we have pick 71 and only 12 picks after us.
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I would like to think we have agreed with Freo on not stealing NGA's with a late just to be smart @rses. Being so close to end of the main draft and then into the rookie draft when you only need to give a 1 year contract, why would an interstate club commit to 2 years on a very speculative pick? I doubt very much that clubs have spent much time interviewing Dewar as to his ability to relocate.

Keep an open mind going to the draft. If a Broadbent or a Foster were there at 71 (which will probably be under 60), then go for it as you will need to give big guys at least 2 years before you can make a decision.

Alternatively if we feel confident that Dewar is a keeper, just pull the trigger as a rookie. The idea of hoping that nobody takes him as a rookie is probably not worth the extra player as a Cat B. Not great for the NGA guys feeling that they are hung out to wait in limbo so long.

Do they have to get through both the main and rookie drafts to go on the catB list?

Or just the main draft?

I think Keys posted something earlier on in the off-season saying that we get to auto catB list them if they go undrafted in the main draft....



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[Keys]

Do they have to get through both the main and rookie drafts to go on the catB list?

Or just the main draft?

I think Keys posted something earlier on in the off-season saying that we get to auto catB list them if they go undrafted in the main draft....



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Per 10.1(b)(vi) below a preselected NGA player will be categorised as a B listed rookie

 

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[boondy]

I'm going to piss everyone off and call Hollands absolute vanilla with nothing standout in his game whatsoever, other than his work ethic.

Another Gaff. Do not want. And yes I've seen him play.

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I hope Holland's Nether lands with us