List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Retired- Gaff Current contract status (Updated 21/8/24) : Total 44 Players - Main List (36) Rookie List (6) Cat B (2) Contracted to 2028 (2) : Liam Duggan (11/12/96) - Signed a 4 year extension (2025-28) in July 2024 Brady Hough (5/3/03) - Signed a 3 year extension...

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[archiemoses]

We picked up a 22 year old, former pick 23 with 59 games AFL experience under his belt for pick 58 AND Brisbane were paying part of his salary for two years. AFL Rising Star nominee, AFL 22 under 22 team player as well.
At the time of the trade most people were over the moon we had just pulled off that move. Witherden had more exposed form at AFL level than Brodie despite both being from the same draft.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think people thought it was an astute pick up at the time.

As I said above, Freo gave back their second rounder this year for that pick 19 which you are now omitting from the information. It's looking to be a winner for them because of how well they are doing.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but stop trying to shift goal posts to say West Coast didn't also try it.

If you continually make reasonable decisions at the time and they don't work out are they astute decisions? Hindsight validates the decision.

Bad luck or we overlooked something?

 

[Dark Sharks]

When I said similarities I didn’t just mean “dealing with teenagers”.

Being a colts coach would, I imagine, involve a lot of helping players develop. As would being a development coach.

OK cool.

I'm just trying to work out how our development coaches stack up against some others. Didn't mean to start knocking Nesbitt's boiz club.

No need for you and Keyser to start gang banging me gaiz

Particularly in a competition where you would think any sort of competitive edge you can get on the opposition matters. We aren't exactly a pinnacle of sucess on the field at the moment.




For example, Geelong have hall of famer Eddie Betts as a Development coach. Look how that's worked out for Tyson Stengle. Also premiership player Sean Grigg.

Demons have 12 year senior/premiership coach Mark Williams as head of Development. He was appointed in 2020, they won the flag the following year.

Carlton have 302 gamer Luke Power.

Hell, even Fold Coast have 232 game premiership player, NEAFL coach of the year Rhys Shaw. He's waaay overqualified for that job.

 

[kane249]

If you continually make reasonable decisions at the time and they don't work out are they astute decisions? Hindsight validates the decision.

Bad luck or we overlooked something?

Luck plays a big part

End of 2017 we traded our future first for pick 21 (Oscar Allen) and pick 26(Liam Ryan). Gold Coast pick Jez McLennan at pick 23 with the pick we gave them who's been a bust.
We got laughed at as most people expected our 2018 pick to be top 4, we came out big winners.

Drafting and trading isn't an exact science, some risks pay off and others don't.

Fremantle are getting lauded for Brodie/Clark/Aish/Acres, but people are leaving out that Hogan/Bennell/Hill/McCarthy etc weren't that long ago either.

 

[Dark Sharks]

^ Left out Petrucelle (38)


Nice. Don't blame ya.

 

[twce13]

Basically its 50% of the time telling them to not get wasted the night before games and to keep off the bongs until the off season

Feel like that skill might have helped in the coaching team in recent times...

 

[WCE_phil]

Coaching JNRS right? Colts? Has Brennan coached at senior level at all before West Coast?

I got no idea but would love to know the answer to that one. Website just says he went Colts then our AFLW team.

Winning WAFL colts premierships is just about the best resume tick you can get to get you a role as a development coach. That combined with the family history with the club and it was a fait accompli. The second part is part of the problem with the club. I genuinely think without Nisbett moving on and a genuine shake up of the club we are looking like the next Essendon/Carlton.

Now just on Nelson and Witherden for that matter if all of our players were out of contract and we were delisting / retiring 10 this year Nelson wouldn't be in my bottom 10.

He will most likely be delisted or end up somewhere else for nothing but when you look at our list it's ****ing grim. I'm not saying we should keep him but this all comes back to our players between the ages of 22-28. The cupboard is bare.

Nelson to me has shown he can play as a specialist lockdown defender if he's surrounded by good players. He's 17-30 on a list vying for a premiership and very useful depth there.

Our midfield cupboard is so ridiculously bare it staggers belief. Not one of our younger players (Culley has a year to prove it) look like becoming B grade players in the midfield at AFL level. Chesser gets a pass due to injury but I still think he ends up a great HB and Hough as well.

Guys like O'Neill should really be absolutely dominating the WAFL by now but they aren't. Smalls who are in their 3rd year onwards and talls in their 4th year onwards should be able to dominate WAFL if they are going to make it as AFL level players. There will always be exceptions where you draft a true project player like Jamieson where they will need an extra year or so but the point remains the same.

We need to manage our list, draft and develop exceptionally for 3 years to move us out of this steaming shit pile the club is in. That's just to turn over the deadwood and delistings. That doesn't mean our ladder position improves either, that's just cutting what needs to be cut, when it needs to be cut and getting AFL quality juniors on the books.

I fear we are in for a very lean run. When I talk about moving first rounders forward and the like and maximising the next 3 draft periods that's the bare minimum I think for us to get on an upward trend.

We could have a fit list next year and play to the same level or a bit above our second half of the season and still only win 2 games next year. If that is the case the club would be genuinely deserving of an assistance package between what north get and what GC got. It would mean 6 wins in 53 games. A win ratio of 11%. Not including next year since last years bye we are at 12.9% win/loss ratio. If you discount say the second half of 2021 and this happens it's a 9% win/loss ration.

Even North yes Norf over their past 2 seasons a 6 wins, 1 draw and 37 losses or a win/loss percentage of 14.7. Since the bye last year we are 6 ladder points worse than north.

 

[pantskyle]

Dark Sharks being doubled teamed by Keys and Miguel Sanchez, you can't be taking any pleasure from this beat down.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

If Willie wants to get to Port they will have to offer a suitable trade for him since Norf can get him for free in the PSD if delist him before the draft.
I know we're known to be kinda soft at the trade table, but if other teams want him we shouldn't just accept whatever Port offers and threaten to trade him to the highest bidder.
We owe him nothing, in fact it should be the other way around if you can consider that to be a factor.
Especially if his decision to leave is mainly for contract reasons.
Port's contract offer to Willie means squat since he isn't a free agent.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Would kill for Mark Williams at the club in a development/throwing Gatorade/yelling "up the ****ing Coasters" while pretending to choke himself with his own tie type role.

 

[Dale Doback]

Heard a rumour that Mitch Georgiades

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has met with us recently. If true we might be able to trade Rioli for him plus a pick. Apparently his girlfriend still lives here in Perth.

 

[dinnaz]

Feel like that skill might have helped in the coaching team in recent times...

Obviously Simmo has never been a colts coach

 

[FKASC]

Dark Sharks being doubled teamed by Keys and Miguel Sanchez, you can't be taking any pleasure from this beat down.

Chump Change

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Being a development coach i'd imagine your communication and teaching skills are more important than your past playing experience. Any coach at a top level will know the preferred option for their area they are responsible for, be it the best technique to kick a ball, or leading patterns, or defensive struture.

The challenges are, can you identify what needs to be tweaked for a player, and can you then get the message across in a relatable way that see's those changes embedded in the player, and taken out and implemented on the field under pressure.

That's not even talking about the external factors ranging from a players ability to learn/change, their physical tools, etc.,

 

[kane249]

^ Left out Petrucelle (38)


Nice. Don't blame ya.

Well maybe if he stopped skipping leg days like you do he might have better hammies

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If Willie wants to get to Port they will have to offer a suitable trade for him since Norf can get him for free in the PSD if delist him before the draft.
I know we're known to be kinda soft at the trade table, but if other teams want him we shouldn't just accept whatever Port offers and threaten to trade him to the highest bidder.
We owe him nothing, in fact it should be the other way around if you can consider that to be a factor.
Especially if his decision to leave is mainly for contract reasons.
Port's contract offer to Willie means squat since he isn't a free agent.

You can't trade a player against his wishes. We either trade him to the club he wants to go to, or he walks to North in the PSD (if they want him).

 

[kane249]

Heard a rumour that Mitch Georgiades has met with us recently. If true we might be able to trade Rioli for him plus a pick. Apparently his girlfriend still lives here in Perth.

His manager shot it down last week

Mitch hitch: Power forward won’t be heading to Eagles

Mitch Georgiades’ manager has shut down trade rumours linking the WA-bred Port Adelaide young gun to move to West Coast.

thewest.com.au

 

[Deepthroat]

What do Port get as compensation for Amon?

An end of first rounder (19)? I'd be happy to give Rioli and the 2nd rounder they gave us last year (currently 26) for 19.

Or do they get a 2nd rounder (27), in which case I would do Rioli and our 38 for their 27.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[dinnaz]

Luck plays a big part

End of 2017 we traded our future first for pick 21 (Oscar Allen) and pick 26(Liam Ryan). Gold Coast pick Jez McLennan at pick 23 with the pick we gave them who's been a bust.
We got laughed at as most people expected our 2018 pick to be top 4, we came out big winners.

Drafting and trading isn't an exact science, some risks pay off and others don't.

Fremantle are getting lauded for Brodie/Clark/Aish/Acres, but people are leaving out that Hogan/Bennell/Hill/McCarthy etc weren't that long ago either.

Disagree. The idea of a trade is that you know what you are getting. Freo are just stupid.

Everyone knew Hogan had off field issues.
Everyone knew Bennell had off field issues.
Everyone knew McCaarthy had off field issues.
Hill was a gun and excellent pickup on the cheap. (until he realised he could earn twice as much with half as much effort)

Name 1 player who turned it around instantly after being a shithead at their first club.

 

[Goldfish]

What do Port get as compensation for Amon?

An end of first rounder (19)? I'd be happy to give Rioli and the 2nd rounder they gave us last year (currently 26) for 19.

Or do they get a 2nd rounder (27), in which case I would do Rioli and our 38 for their 27.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Can't trade their pick back under AFL rules... second scenario could work but feel we're being shortchanged.

 

[matt_bas]

My brain hurts after reading the last 10 pages....so Nelson's a spud that we want delisted but could trade to essendon. Rioli we either want to keep because he's a Gun, trade for a pick in the 20s cos that's fair or work out a magical 3 way and get Brisbane's 1st while sending him to Port. Then we have 15 pages of Witherden talk. It was a good deal at the time that didn't work out for us. Shit happens. I love the Pre Trade Period

 

[Happy Mastenator]

What do Port get as compensation for Amon?

An end of first rounder (19)? I'd be happy to give Rioli and the 2nd rounder they gave us last year (currently 26) for 19.

Or do they get a 2nd rounder (27), in which case I would do Rioli and our 38 for their 27.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

I'd be reluctant give 26 and Rioli for 19, that's a seven pick upgrade (and will be less once picks used for points) for Rioli. That's the equivalent of pick 55. Criminally undervalued.

19 for 38 and Rioli is fairer. Values Rioli and pick 37. Does cause issues with getting Dev Robertson.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

OK cool.

I'm just trying to work out how our development coaches stack up against some others. Didn't mean to start knocking Nesbitt's boiz club.

Maybe if you’d started from that position, rather than “why the **** did we hire Jacob Brennan as an assistant coach when he was a bog average player”…

 

[Chump Change]

When does Duggans contract expire?

You'll have to subpoena the club to find out.

 

[CountryLad]

What do Port get as compensation for Amon?

An end of first rounder (19)? I'd be happy to give Rioli and the 2nd rounder they gave us last year (currently 26) for 19.

Or do they get a 2nd rounder (27), in which case I would do Rioli and our 38 for their 27.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Can’t trade 26 back to port. Can trade 20 or 38

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Where's the rule that says you can't trade a pick back to the club that you got it from?

I understand within the same trade period (to close a loophole us and Sydney exploited from memory, **** this club for never trying anything new etc), but outside of that?

What if we traded Port's second rounder to another club, who then send it to Port as part of a three-way trade involving Rioli. Allowed?