List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[GWeagles]

Can anyone confirm if the bully pulpit of SEN this morning is correct and Rioli’s wife and family live in the NT because of lack of family support in Perth? If so, clearly a relevant consideration.

 

[Cuzz09]

Richmond are going to be bloody good next year especially if Dusty rests up fwd

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[Keys]

I for one am so glad you've shaved 18 pages from this now 104 page thread.

Well I can’t stop people posting

And the main idea of splitting the threads was to move draftee discussion away from this thread. To an extent that’s worked

 

[briztoon]

With a future 2nd they have enough for both.

Remembering GWS has the cap issues.

12, 19, 30 and a future 2nd for Taranto and Hopper is pretty much on the money IMO. At most swap the future 2nd for a future 1st.

My personal opinion is 12 is fair for Taranto. Maybe 12 & 30 if GWS really play hard ball.

Hopper is probably worth about the same.

Geelong would have been offering their first, so in the 16 to 18 range. Which is a bit unders. And Hopper is still contracted.

If I was GWS I’d be wanting Richmond’s future first for Hopper, and maybe a swap of future picks.

Richmond won’t like it, but the onus will be on them to get the deals done.

It also allows GWS to bring in minimum high end picks, both this year and next year, without having to fill out their list with later picks.

And it also gives them some cost control over 3 years of draftee contracts, rather than two years.

They still have deals for Bobby Hill and Tanner Bruhn to push through as well, so they can look at one pick this year for say Bruhn, and one pick next year for Hill.

 

[Tugga27]

I didn't say they didn't offer anybody long term deals. But the players who were getting them there were A listers and Brownlow medallists like Martin and Cotchin. Not B listers like Gaff and Darling.

I don't agree with offering anybody a 7 year deal. If that is true of Richmond then i think that that is pretty stupid of them.

When Gaff was signed, he was a dual AA and F&B winner.
Was recognized as the best wingman in the game.

Darling has kicked nearly 500 goals and is an A grader every day of the week.

Martin still has 2 years at 1.3 million a year.

It's also easier for Melbourne clubs to attract Free Agents like Tom Lynch who cost them nothing apart from his salary.

Richmond are good now, but don't forget they were a laughing stock for 30 years.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Richmond are going to be bloody good next year especially if Dusty rests up fwd

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Reckon Dusty has much left in him?

Seems just about cooked and disinterested to me.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Well I can’t stop people posting

And the main idea of splitting the threads was to move draftee discussion away from this thread. To an extent that’s worked

The bizarre thread title doesn't exactly invite draft discussion. I thought it was one of those RDT threads for the first several days.

 

[Tugga27]

Hopper is contracted.

I know the cap is a squeeze but they're losing Taranto, can't see them giving away Hopper as well.

 

[new breed]

Can anyone confirm if the bully pulpit of SEN this morning is correct and Rioli’s wife and family live in the NT because of lack of family support in Perth? If so, clearly a relevant consideration.

Sounds correct especially since the playing ban in 2019 , once back at training at WCE pretty sure his family stayed in the NT .

 

[wirra44]

that’s debatable, JK was an A Grader , Darling was a supreme A Grader for half a season in a season where we were the best team in the comp.

Darling has kicked nearly 500 goals and is an A grader every day of the week.

 

[dinnaz]

My personal opinion is 12 is fair for Taranto. Maybe 12 & 30 if GWS really play hard ball.

Hopper is probably worth about the same.

Geelong would have been offering their first, so in the 16 to 18 range. Which is a bit unders. And Hopper is still contracted.

If I was GWS I’d be wanting Richmond’s future first for Hopper, and maybe a swap of future picks.

Richmond won’t like it, but the onus will be on them to get the deals done.

It also allows GWS to bring in minimum high end picks, both this year and next year, without having to fill out their list with later picks.

And it also gives them some cost control over 3 years of draftee contracts, rather than two years.

They still have deals for Bobby Hill and Tanner Bruhn to push through as well, so they can look at one pick this year for say Bruhn, and one pick next year for Hill.

Taranto is an absolute gun. This year he had back issues and people have short memories. Won their best and fairest in a grand final year in front of Cameron, Kelly, Whitfield etc
Is only 24 and will only get better over the next couple of years. GWS should ask for equivalent or better to what they got from Geelong for Cameron. A top 5 pick plus a sweetner.

Hopper you would want 12 and call it pretty even with some later pick swaps involved.

 

[Tugga27]

that’s debatable, JK was an A Grader , Darling was a supreme A Grader for half a season in a season where we were the best team in the comp.

I think anyone who has kicked nearly 500 goals is an A grader, but that's just me.
Will finish up close to 300 games and 600 goals barring injury.

 

[Keys]

The bizarre thread title doesn't exactly invite draft discussion. I thought it was one of those RDT threads for the first several days.

The thread title that includes “Draftee Discussion” in the title?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Richmond trade picks 19 and 30 (1577 points) to Brisbane for pick 13 (1212 points).

Pick 13 to GWS for Hopper.

Pick 12 and a future first to GWS for Taranto.

Does that get it done?

 

[hbk2015]

Word is Acres to the blues,

Setterfield, Dow and obviously Stocker pushed out

 

[briztoon]

Richmond trade picks 19 and 30 (1577 points) to Brisbane for pick 13 (1212 points).

Pick 13 to GWS for Hopper.

Pick 12 and a future first to GWS for Taranto.

Does that get it done?

Personally I’d be hoping for a better deal, but 19 in itself has value, and I’d hope would be worth two late second round picks.

 

[paran]

Word is Acres to the blues,

Setterfield, Dow and obviously Stocker pushed out

Would not mind Setterfield, thought he was a decent medium forward option. Not sure we have many on the squad?
Dow... we need WAFL players and is only 22...

 

[kerrazy]

Didn't Carlton desperately trade up for Liam Stocker

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Liam Stocker

Age

24

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184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

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13.6

3star

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8.4

3star

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5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Trouble with Taranto trade is that pick 12 is a crap first rounder. Imagine they’d want something in the 5-8 range at least, as a starting point. Then they’d want at least a good second rounder as well.

As someone who watched a lot of gws as live in Sydney and been a foundation gws member Taranto is a gun. He gets pushed forward a lot because they are loaded with inside mids and lacking forwards. If he was played as a full time mid he’d average 30 touches a game and be in AA contention.

 

[kane249]

Didn't Carlton desperately trade up for Liam Stocker?

Yep, they traded their future first round pick to get him.

Adelaide chose Fisher McAsey with the resulting pick, so could have been worse for them

 

[hbk2015]

Didn't Carlton desperately trade up for Liam Stocker?

Yeah apparently a lot of draft guys had him going between 6 to 10 that year

 

[ziad]

I didn't say they didn't offer anybody long term deals. But the players who were getting them there were A listers and Brownlow medallists like Martin and Cotchin. Not B listers like Gaff and Darling.

I don't agree with offering anybody a 7 year deal. If that is true of Richmond then i think that that is pretty stupid of them.

An interesting definitiuon of B Grade - AA and the most highly valued winger at one time and a key forward who was for a period regarded as the best in the comp. Regardless of A,B, C etc Darling will be critical next year with Allen playing as a key forward. It would be criminal to play Allen without a strong foil - that can only be Darling.

 

[shooshka]

Richmond trade picks 19 and 30 (1577 points) to Brisbane for pick 13 (1212 points).

Pick 13 to GWS for Hopper.

Pick 12 and a future first to GWS for Taranto.

Does that get it done?

12 + maybe 12-15 for Taranto seems a bit under.

In a year where teams are likely to have quite a few early picks available to the highest bidder though it might work. Assuming GC hold 5 + 7 they may be happy to move one of those into the 2023 draft.

Could end up seeing GWS, GC and WB all having mutiple picks in the first round (plus Brisbane wanting to trade out of the 1st round, plus Sydney with 2 late 1sts).

 

[hbk2015]

Surely we at least ask the question about Paddy Dow

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Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, only 22. Averaging over 30 in the VFL, already better than our entire WAFL team

 

[Agent93]

Didn't Carlton desperately trade up for Liam Stocker?

An article I read somewhere yesterday suggested Silvagni had him rated 6th on their list.