List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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SSP signing dates

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[kingerzz]

In that scenario 3 is the Allen compo pick, which we then trade for Warner

So we lose Allen and get Warner

Sydney lose Warner and get Allen and pick 3

We can do better for ourself here - Sydney coming out like bandits. We can use the threat of matching Allen to get a discount on the trade with Warner.

 

[eaglevision]

In this scenario we tell sydney we’ll match a band 1 offer for Oscar OR they can take unders for Warner and we won’t match it.

I.e net result for Sydney is:

Warner for Hawks 1R and Allen

Our net result is:

Allen and Hawks 1R for Warner and pick 4

 

[Grahame]

Gaff was a pick 3. Feel like this has been such an issue for so long. Swear to god back in the 2000’s and even before(didn’t grow up watching footy then) majority of players could kick on both sides of the body.

I think players have now become proficient kicking a check side or banana (or whatever) on their preferred side.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Ignoring all the sarcasm, what is the big picture that I missed?

My post was a reply to the one part of your post I disagreed with.

Didn't need to reply to the rest, as I had no issue with anything else you said.

Sometimes you need to stop being so precious about who the actual poster is, and play a straight bat to a reply to your posts.




So, which other team in the competition is going to offer up more than band 1 compensation for Oscar?

The very same reason why posters here are suggesting to let Oscar walk, because of a possible degenerative knee or what ever the actual injury may be, is the reason why you are potentially willing to let Oscar walk, and some posters here talking about only offering a 3 or 5 year deal, to protect your club.

Which is the same reason why no club in the competition would pay more than what you would receive as band 1 compensation.

You ask about what you missed. I also sense you wonder why I sometimes post negative views of you.

A few reasons.

1. In your typical school teacher approach, you look to give an arrogant tick or cross to matters. This arrogance comes across as "I'm right and you are wrong" and I sense is both petty and overstates your knowledge of football. Thankfully you have explained that you never played the game and only got interested in list management after loving the NBA or one of the US sports. Sometimes your lack of playing the game means you post things that are not right.

2. You sometimes come across as missing the forest for the trees. As you said, you said nothing about the main post which was all about having options with Oscar as he is soon to be out of contract and an unrestricted free agent. My post went to highlight the strength of position we have and the fact that we have options. You then narrowed down into what every club would or would not give up in currency.

This comes across as being petty and the reason why I think this approach p1sses me (and likely others) off and remind me of a petty school teaching trying to mark notes like homework.

3. By way of observation, I note that you often portray to have inside knowledge and state what you think is the view of all clubs of the industry. It is a pity as I often like what you post but then at times feel the need to call you out for overstating your knowledge of our club.

4. I would be more than happy to meet up with you at the WAFL games or at Optus and talk football with live action and responses. There are a number of posters on this forum I have done this with and we have developed a decent respect for each others views. The way you discuss many West Coast players and makes me think you have seen them play live. Not sure about that as I sense you are a TV only watcher of our team and do not leave Qld to watch our games.

6. I really do not give 2 sh1ts about getting Bigfooty likes and pleasing other posters. I actually like different insights especially when it is about a young talent as extrapolating development is one of the hardest things to do. Different views are absolutely fine, but I am prone to give a posting whack when I think it is warranted. Maybe you should be less sensitive when you get a whack. Maybe I should be less intent on giving a whack. Maybe I am turning into Asterix!

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Is his kicking even a problem?

Bo Allan Draft Profile

Peel Thunder premiership player Bo Allan is WA's top draft prospect, and led his state ferociously in an expectation-exceeding campaign.

central.rookieme.com

STRENGTHS:
+ Kick penetration

From half-back he offers run and carry, coupled with clean ball use by foot and great vision to pick off targets at speed.

After seeing Tom Gross' videos, I'm alot more concerned about his kicking.

 

[eaglevision]

After seeing Tom Gross' videos, I'm alot more concerned about his kicking.

Gross just needs a little more composure with ball in hand and to lower his eyes a bit. He does kick goals and always wants to move the ball forwards which will suit our game plan, we certainly haven’t drafted our mids for kicking skills.

 

[Into The Black]

Gaff was a pick 3. Feel like this has been such an issue for so long. Swear to god back in the 2000’s and even before(didn’t grow up watching footy then) majority of players could kick on both sides of the body.

Certainly seems that way. But hey, memory might be a touch rusty.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Gaff was a pick 3. Feel like this has been such an issue for so long. Swear to god back in the 2000’s and even before(didn’t grow up watching footy then) majority of players could kick on both sides of the body.

They couldn’t and they didn’t.

Average skills of players are better now, it’s just that they’ve also dialled up the speed, distance covered and intensity by miles.

 

[InsideBull]

In this scenario we tell sydney we’ll match a band 1 offer for Oscar OR they can take unders for Warner and we won’t match it.

I.e net result for Sydney is:

Warner for Hawks 1R and Allen

Our net result is:

Allen and Hawks 1R for Warner and pick 4

There is something interesting in there that I'd like to see but IMO it is just not going to happen

Firstly, I think Oscar is only ever going to leave for better terms. If we are willing to match then he won't leave. We should be able to offer somewhat less and still keep him. Now there might be a point where we say we will pay one or the other but I don't see how it comes to that in the real world. Imagine how you'd need to treat the actual players involved.

Second, the nature of Free Agency is that the free agent's new club is always getting a steal draft picks-wise, the old club gets something (good, bad or fair) and the rest of the competition pay for it by shifting back in the draft. If I were the Swans, I'm banking that and am not going to consider that as part of a Warner deal who I could also sell to Freo or refuse to trade

Finally, trades have to be ticked off by the AFL and I struggle to see how they tick off Warner for Hawks 1st while the spectre of Allen's FA move and compo looms

Anyway, it's way too early to be worried about the finer details to be fair, but I think this is a bit too much of a fantasy even for now. Personally...

 

[Into The Black]

They couldn’t and they didn’t.

Average skills of players are better now, it’s just that they’ve also dialled up the speed, distance covered and intensity by miles.

Disagree. More pure footballers back in the 70's and 80's . Definitely more athletic now. Stronger , faster but it's basically a different game to what it was back then.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

There were elite skilled players in every era.

But you really can't compare the players of the 80s and 90s to now.

Remember getting flogged by Hawthorn in 88 (as a child). Dunstall kicked 7, but he had so much space in the F50. You only had to kick it within 5 meters of him and he would mark and goal.

The way the game was played then made players skills (especially by foot) look better.

 

[Rowan18]

They couldn’t and they didn’t.

Average skills of players are better now, it’s just that they’ve also dialled up the speed, distance covered and intensity by miles.

Yep, I rewatched 2006 GF on weekend and there were several bad handballs and kicks (many by my favourite, Rojo). Felt similar to today, star players with sublime skills (Judd, Kerr, Cousins) supported by a bunch of role players with deficiencies (Rojo, B Jones, Butler etc).

 

[THE A5]

They couldn’t and they didn’t.

Average skills of players are better now, it’s just that they’ve also dialled up the speed, distance covered and intensity by miles.

Yes and no. Kicking skills in particular I don’t think they’re better these days.

 

[THE A5]

Yep, I rewatched 2006 GF on weekend and there were several bad handballs and kicks (many by my favourite, Rojo). Felt similar to today, star players with sublime skills (Judd, Kerr, Cousins) supported by a bunch of role players with deficiencies (Rojo, B Jones, Butler etc).

Judd,cousins, kerr were great dual sided players. Can’t think of any mids for us bar Shuey that were so comfortable to with their left foot. Man cuz on his left in the day was a thing a beaty. That goal against the saints were he clears it from a cbd and takes it all the way and kicks it on his left

 

[Mattman93]

Starcevich is a good player however I have no idea why people think he's worth chasing. He's 100% not a list need. The last thing we need is a mid sized lockdown defender who is neither fast or a great kick. Great player, team man and role player but not worth

Sounds pick 14 worthy.

In all seriousness though, in other news, what's going on with this rumoured recruiting staff exodus?

 

[EdCurnowRules]

Judd,cousins, kerr were great dual sided players. Can’t think of any mids for us bar Shuey that were so comfortable to with their left foot. Man cuz on his left in the day was a thing a beaty. That goal against the saints were he clears it from a cbd and takes it all the way and kicks it on his left

Watched that live, will never forget it

 

[Ghossein]

Skills were more highlighted in the Clarko-era of football where it was a lot of possession based build-up play, and a reliance on left-footers/players that could use both feet. Gaff may feel like a strong example to us because he came in after the 2010 season when our kicking was particularly bad and we were known for unforced turnovers.

In the modern game with all the rule changes it's still important but it's just less pronounced. It's not like P.Cripps or the Bont are great players because of their kicking. Fyfe is a 2 time Brownlow medalist and he's an awful kick.

It's not to say the fundamentals aren't important, I just wouldn't worry too much about an 18 year old not having polish at this stage.

 

[squashface]

If he's going to be a mid I am more concerned at Allan's ability to accumulate and find the ball over his footskills.

 

[RanaNaved]

Is his kicking even a problem?

Bo Allan Draft Profile

Peel Thunder premiership player Bo Allan is WA's top draft prospect, and led his state ferociously in an expectation-exceeding campaign.

central.rookieme.com

STRENGTHS:
+ Kick penetration

From half-back he offers run and carry, coupled with clean ball use by foot and great vision to pick off targets at speed.

Not really
His kicking technique is fine, kicks with great penetration and he hits what he should most of the time. Same people freaking out over bugger all as usual

 

[mattyc75]

Shanahan will start as a CHB and become a swing man IMO.

J Williams is our #1 forward / ruck and gets picked round 1 if fit. He will get plenty of opportunities.

Well something has to give with all of our big forwards. Both reid and shanahan have the ability to play down back apparently and Oscar has played back too so we'll see when the young guys end up.


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[Mulldogg]

Is his kicking even a problem?

Bo Allan Draft Profile

Peel Thunder premiership player Bo Allan is WA's top draft prospect, and led his state ferociously in an expectation-exceeding campaign.

central.rookieme.com

STRENGTHS:
+ Kick penetration

From half-back he offers run and carry, coupled with clean ball use by foot and great vision to pick off targets at speed.

Like almost every other left footer he’s seemingly very one sided from what I’ve seen of him. But tidy enough on his preferred left peg.

 

[eaglevision]

Well something has to give with all of our big forwards. Both reid and shanahan have the ability to play down back apparently and Oscar has played back too so we'll see when the young guys end up.


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Reid will make an excellent, mobile CHF with a huge tank and Shanahan a FF with his excellent leading patterns and contested mark. If he grows another couple of cms he’s going to be very, very hard to match up on.

Unfortunately whilst they play in the Beagles it’s almost worth them both playing KPD unless they suddenly become more competitive and for the time being Oscar and Snake are likely to keep them out of the forward line.

 

[Bender_]

Everyone knows the secret to good footy disposal is having an onion tied to your belt. That's why skills have been so shit since the dicketies.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Reid will make an excellent, mobile CHF with a huge tank and Shanahan a FF with his excellent leading patterns and contested mark. If he grows another couple of cms he’s going to be very, very hard to match up on.

Unfortunately whilst they play in the Beagles it’s almost worth them both playing KPD unless they suddenly become more competitive and for the time being Oscar and Snake are likely to keep them out of the forward line.

I also feel we’ve lost our WAFL seniors and haven’t replaced any yet that I’m aware of. Hopefully we get some recruits or we’re about to get pumped each week….. again

 

[eaglevision]

I also feel we’ve lost our WAFL seniors and haven’t replaced any yet that I’m aware of. Hopefully we get some recruits or we’re about to get pumped each week….. again

Witho and Culley seem to be hanging around. That’s a good start. Keeping both Flynn and BWill healthy so one can play WAFL will help our young mids immensely. They better pull their finger out and put a team on the park that’s actually going to assist development.