List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

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Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

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• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[DanWCE]

I’d also be a fan of that. Unfortunately that means our top picks are available for Clarke to trade for middling talent so I’d rather we at least use it on someone worth it like the Chad.

Unless we change coach again or there's some worthy dregs left at Tigerland I think we'll be done with those types of moves.

Allen playing 20+ games in great form and signing 4-5 years, getting Starcevich for donuts and taking our picks to the draft would be about as good as things could go for us.

 

[sharps24]

Long has been mentioned on the periphery of delisting conversations in here too much for my liking. I know this is the drafting 2025 thread but the discussion around delistings is very premature given we haven't even started into the preseason yet but we have pages of arguments of blokes who should or shouldn't be delisted without an AFL game under the belt. Surely this is a discussion that holds no merit until at least half way through the season and we get a look on who has done what.
Back to Long though, I know he hasn't been on anyone's shitlist for delisting but he has been mentioned as needing a big season to avoid the axe a few times around here. I find it baffling, obviously he missed all of last year due to the knee but he showed some absolute brilliance in his first year with his vision, decision making and quick hands. I'd be very surprised if the guy doesn't play at least 150 quality games for us, injuries permitting.

Look I agree and a few of those mentions of Long being on the chopping block came from me. I don't think he should be anywhere close to it but the reality of wanting to turn over another 6-8 players next season to bring in trade targets and take a full complement of draftee's is that pressure comes from players like Long. Is that ridiculous, yes. But, ok playing devils advocate he's not that quick, is maybe slower now coming off the knee and it's not likely he has some 150 game career as a small forward ahead of him despite making the best of it in an injury ravaged 2022 Eagles side. The likes of that will maybe never be seen again in professional sport, so you have to grade him on a curve there.

He didn't set the world on fire pre knee injury last year and competition for spots is extremely high now in his two preferred positions. At the end of the day he needs to make it as a mid and if you look at the talent on this list in the middle there is a lot of it. Reid, Hewett, Allan as first round picks, Yeo and Kelly currently fit, Duggan squeezed out of defence, Jack Graham brought in specifically to protect Harley, Hutchinson showing he can play in there and having significantly more upside... it makes it difficult for him to get opportunities in there as he would be behind every one of those.

At the end of the day he's someone we picked up at 58 as a needs based mid before we went on to finish last and 3rd last in his first 2 seasons, and significantly replenish out stocks with high end talent. We love him for surprising us all with a great first season. First year players very often do this though. But realistically, and especially after the knee, he's exactly the kind of player you look to delist if you have been able to bring in superior options. To me, you keep him for sure because in 2027 and beyond he could be part of that post Yeo and Kelly mid rotation and provides depth and leadership while serving an apprenticeship in the 2's.

But people still want to hit the draft hard so he's got to be in the conversation or who makes way, particularly since he'll likely struggle to make his way into the side next year and that 2023 season fades in the collective memory.

 

[Bacchus]

Look I agree and a few of those mentions of Long being on the chopping block came from me. I don't think he should be anywhere close to it but the reality of wanting to turn over another 6-8 players next season to bring in trade targets and take a full complement of draftee's is that pressure comes from players like Long. Is that ridiculous, yes. But, ok playing devils advocate he's not that quick, is maybe slower now coming off the knee and it's not likely he has some 150 game career as a small forward ahead of him despite making the best of it in an injury ravaged 2022 Eagles side. The likes of that will maybe never be seen again in professional sport, so you have to grade him on a curve there.

He didn't set the world on fire pre knee injury last year and competition for spots is extremely high now in his two preferred positions. At the end of the day he needs to make it as a mid and if you look at the talent on this list in the middle there is a lot of it. Reid, Hewett, Allan as first round picks, Yeo and Kelly currently fit, Duggan squeezed out of defence, Jack Graham brought in specifically to protect Harley, Hutchinson showing he can play in there and having significantly more upside... it makes it difficult for him to get opportunities in there as he would be behind every one of those.

At the end of the day he's someone we picked up at 58 as a needs based mid before we went on to finish last and 3rd last in his first 2 seasons, and significantly replenish out stocks with high end talent. We love him for surprising us all with a great first season. First year players very often do this though. But realistically, and especially after the knee, he's exactly the kind of player you look to delist if you have been able to bring in superior options. To me, you keep him for sure because in 2027 and beyond he could be part of that post Yeo and Kelly mid rotation and provides depth and leadership while serving an apprenticeship in the 2's.

But people still want to hit the draft hard so he's got to be in the conversation or who makes way, particularly since he'll likely struggle to make his way into the side next year and that 2023 season fades in the collective memory.

No need to trade in more than 4 or 5 players next year. The talent available to us is not that loaded.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I think even discounting the Academy prospects (of which I only expect 2 to be top 10) I think the top 10-12 next year is looking really strong.

From what i've seen & of the top WA players so far Freddy Rodriguez is probably ranked at 5 and Curtin around 10. There is then a group of about 4 who could go top 40, Banfield probably being the lowest ranked of those. I think our other academy prospects are late pickups and maybe even Cat B on one.

It's a much, much stronger top age group for WA next year but I think the Allies will be hard to beat. Victoria looking a little lighter on for depth (although some real top prospects) and SA will be stronger than this year particularly with what is looking a strong midfield.

There has been a reluctance from many clubs to let the northern academy and F/S prospects slide. Melbourne, Sydney and Geelong have been the regular bidders. With SOS now at St Blunders, they look like joining in.

With that in mind and another 12 months of development to see, it is likely that only Annables (Lions) and Uwland (Suns) are picked in the top 10. Both clubs have already got the points needed to match these 2 and their other prospects so we can expect a sale of their R1 picks. Using the bookies odds, Suns are likely to have something like 6, 9 and 12.

Assuming we have something like
Eagles R1 - 2 to 5
Hawks R1 - 10 - 15
Eagles R2 - 20 to 25
Hawks R2 - 30 to 35

I think the top end may end up as better prospects that the first 5 from this years draft. Who will b enumber 1 and Of those in the open pool, there seems a some early consensus that the top 8 in alphabetical order (saves unwanted feedback on exact order) will be

1. Duff-Tytler - Cannons 199cm KPF/ruck
2. Duursma - Gippsland 191cm utility
3. Emmett - Chargers 199cm KPF/ruck
4. Greeves - Rangers 191cm midfielder
5. Ludowkye - Dragons 195cm KPF
6. Onley - Bushrangers 194cm mid
7. Rodriguez - South Fremantle 184cm midfielder
8. Sharp - Central Districts 188cm midfielder

- this is indicative and very early so no need to reply as to who you have 1 2 3 etc

Note: I am assuming the KPF will continue to be at in high demand however we did not see the same premium in the latest draft which allowed Shanahan and J Whitlock to slide. Was this a permanent shift (lower demand) or was it due to there be a large number of very good prospects (higher supply)?

So Tigers expecting to get 2 of the above and Eagles 1. Essendon could even be in for 2 of the above.

If Banfield is the earliest of our club tied prospects expected in the 30 to 40 bracket, we should be able to get 3 in before him or possibly 4

My top WA prospects is rough early order are:
Rodriguez
Curtin
Swadling
Whan (Freo NGA)
Banfield

Walley is interesting. He performed well in the carnival as a bottom agers and time at MRP may be enough to see him elevated up the order.

 

[sharps24]

No need to trade in more than 4 or 5 players next year. The talent available to us is not that loaded.

I'm for drafting 3 and trading in 1. 4 changes to list. Maybe or maybe not losing 1 out to a trade. Draft 3 main list, no rookies. Bring in Warner IF someone goes out, potentially Allen to get us back the first rounders we'll spend on Warner. Draft 4 if no Warner but someone leaves. Anything deeper is change for the sake of change in my book.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1260258

Some very interesting points on here, article by Twomey on the top 10 in the draft.

Crows explored trading their 3 x F3s for one of our F2s

We had Hawks F1 on the table live on draft night, but never our own F1

Using the betting odds, the 3 x R3 picks of the Crows were worth about 425 points versus Hawks R2 which is likely worth around 360 points (using 2025 currency) so a premium but not a huge premium by the Crows. I suspect we will get better offers in 12 months time

 

[garlic munchers]

If, and it's a big if, we get both Warners, we'd take max 3 in the draft, maybe less if our NGA's don't develop. Everything let over would be traded for picks in 2026.

Getting Warner next year will IMHO, reduce our opportunities of winning the big dance, but it will help us to become a nice, but not serious contender and if that's what people are happy with, so be it I suppose.

WC history shows us the Chicks, Stenglein's, Cripps, Jetta's, Vardy's were all crucial keys in Premierships acquired for nothing like the capital that Warner would cost in money and picks; and they were acquired when we started showing some promise, not at the bottom of a rebuild.

Its like we forget we got 5 wins out of 23 games, with a % of 68 (which is woeful by any measure, including our 2010 spoon year where we got 77% and by comparison the Saints who some apparently rate below us for 2025, got 6 more wins with a % of 99.4 (i.e. for the non-mathematicians here, that's approx 31% more than us).

Starcevich leaving a Premiership contender as a FA would require us overpaying for him as well as for Warner and this all screams using up our war chest whilst we are miles off being any good (its like we really want to be the Bombers).

Some really promising draftees this year should inspire us to keep our picks, complete a proper rebuild with a sweet set of picks next year and then go for those missing pieces (i.e. not the Brockmans or Warner's, but those middle that fill key holes).

 

[RanaNaved]

Long delisted.....lol. We need to get him in the midfield rotation more, that's his position.

As for 2025, we'll definitely be going hard at Warner, Starcevich, McVee and Aleer

 

[RanaNaved]

Getting Warner next year will IMHO, reduce our opportunities of winning the big dance, but it will help us to become a nice, but not serious contender and if that's what people are happy with, so be it I suppose.

WC history shows us the Chicks, Stenglein's, Cripps, Jetta's, Vardy's were all crucial keys in Premierships acquired for nothing like the capital that Warner would cost in money and picks; and they were acquired when we started showing some promise, not at the bottom of a rebuild.

Its like we forget we got 5 wins out of 23 games, with a % of 68 (which is woeful by any measure, including our 2010 spoon year where we got 77% and by comparison the Saints who some apparently rate below us for 2025, got 6 more wins with a % of 99.4 (i.e. for the non-mathematicians here, that's approx 31% more than us).

Starcevich leaving a Premiership contender as a FA would require us overpaying for him as well as for Warner and this all screams using up our war chest whilst we are miles off being any good (its like we really want to be the Bombers).

Some really promising draftees this year should inspire us to keep our picks, complete a proper rebuild with a really sweet set of picks next year and then go for those missing pieces (i.e. not the Brockmans or Warner's, but those middle that fill key holes).

This board would have flipped out with WC giving a top 10 pick for an 'old' Daniel Chick, and a 1st and 2nd rounder for a tagger like Stenglein

 

[Doashuey]

Look I agree and a few of those mentions of Long being on the chopping block came from me. I don't think he should be anywhere close to it but the reality of wanting to turn over another 6-8 players next season to bring in trade targets and take a full complement of draftee's is that pressure comes from players like Long. Is that ridiculous, yes. But, ok playing devils advocate he's not that quick, is maybe slower now coming off the knee and it's not likely he has some 150 game career as a small forward ahead of him despite making the best of it in an injury ravaged 2022 Eagles side. The likes of that will maybe never be seen again in professional sport, so you have to grade him on a curve there.

He didn't set the world on fire pre knee injury last year and competition for spots is extremely high now in his two preferred positions. At the end of the day he needs to make it as a mid and if you look at the talent on this list in the middle there is a lot of it. Reid, Hewett, Allan as first round picks, Yeo and Kelly currently fit, Duggan squeezed out of defence, Jack Graham brought in specifically to protect Harley, Hutchinson showing he can play in there and having significantly more upside... it makes it difficult for him to get opportunities in there as he would be behind every one of those.

At the end of the day he's someone we picked up at 58 as a needs based mid before we went on to finish last and 3rd last in his first 2 seasons, and significantly replenish out stocks with high end talent. We love him for surprising us all with a great first season. First year players very often do this though. But realistically, and especially after the knee, he's exactly the kind of player you look to delist if you have been able to bring in superior options. To me, you keep him for sure because in 2027 and beyond he could be part of that post Yeo and Kelly mid rotation and provides depth and leadership while serving an apprenticeship in the 2's.

But people still want to hit the draft hard so he's got to be in the conversation or who makes way, particularly since he'll likely struggle to make his way into the side next year and that 2023 season fades in the collective memory.

This is where this discussion is getting silly. Because we hold a good draft bounty and have potential NGA and F/S available, suddenly we are ripe to take 6-8 next year?
It is way too early to make any judgment on that. Those NGA and F/S lads might not be worth a pinch of sh1t by the end of the year. We may trade out 3 picks for a player or move some into 2026 or trade 3 picks to move up the order (crazy talk I know). There are so many things that have not even started to play out that wringing our hands about who to delist next season is a complete waste of time at the moment.

 

[garlic munchers]

This board would have flipped out with WC giving a top 10 pick for an 'old' Daniel Chick, and a 1st and 2nd rounder for a tagger like Stenglein

Maybe not you would hope given we were in the 8 coming off a 11/11 98% season, after going 13th and 14th in the previous years in a sixteen team comp (i.e. we were on the up, not foundering around at the bottom of the ladder for years).

 

[stallon]

Getting Warner next year will IMHO, reduce our opportunities of winning the big dance, but it will help us to become a nice, but not serious contender and if that's what people are happy with, so be it I suppose.

WC history shows us the Chicks, Stenglein's, Cripps, Jetta's, Vardy's were all crucial keys in Premierships acquired for nothing like the capital that Warner would cost in money and picks; and they were acquired when we started showing some promise, not at the bottom of a rebuild.

I think we are past the "bottom of a rebuild" which was 2023, imo the end of 2025 is the time to start recruiting players like Baker or Starcevich, to fill holes we missed by drafting best available.
Hawks 2023 off-season should be our aim for the 2025 off-season, assuming we follow a predictable path and improve again in 2025.
1 great pick, a couple of targets that fill holes in the list, and then we have our f/s and NGA kids to consider.
Hawks got Watson with an early pick, and a couple of f/s kids plus role players.

Its like we forget we got 5 wins out of 23 games, with a % of 68 (which is woeful by any measure, including our 2010 spoon year where we got 77% and by comparison the Saints who some apparently rate below us for 2025, got 6 more wins with a % of 99.4 (i.e. for the non-mathematicians here, that's approx 31% more than us).

The gap isnt that big, we were good enough in 2024 to battle it out with the middle teams, and even good teams at times, its just consistency that screwed us. Another year into the kids, removal of some dead wood who didnt seem that interested, and Baker+Graham+Owies plus a fit Allen added should combat that inconsistency.
The gap isnt that big to the middle of the table teams.

Starcevich leaving a Premiership contender as a FA would require us overpaying for him as well as for Warner and this all screams using up our war chest whilst we are miles off being any good (its like we really want to be the Bombers).

Some really promising draftees this year should inspire us to keep our picks, complete a proper rebuild with a sweet set of picks next year and then go for those missing pieces (i.e. not the Brockmans or Warner's, but those middle that fill key holes).

We are past being the bombers tbh, we have more than 1 A-grader, the bombers really only have had 1- Merrett.

 

[Slash136]

First, I don’t see any future for Rawlinson as an AFL level player or even perhaps WAFL. Don’t know why he was retained.

Second I can’t agree with you about Oscar. He has shown that he can play at a high level but has been curtailed by injury.
The other three you mention have not done this. Two, namely Reid and Shanahan have not played a game. Williams has shown promising signs but his games are more cameos. He hasn’t played one game where he was the dominant forward.
Don’t get me wrong I think he is a promising player more as a forward ruck but to put him in front of Oscar is flat out mind boggling. The other two have not played at all, Reid showed some exciting signs with the Beagles but he hasn’t played a single game yet and his brother has a very bad injury history. Shanahan sounds exciting but he hasn’t even played a WAFL game yet. I just can’t see how you can put these three unknowns, or one modest known in front of the highly proven known in Oscar.

I don’t get why so many are jumping off Oscar so quickly. We really like to eat our own. Virtually every other team in the competition would be prepared to throw mega bucks and years at him. Is this Clarke trying to make a mark again? Oscar is a very different case from both Barrass and Darling. The only fault with Oscar is that he’s got injured too much, and our club has shown itself to be quite incompetent in managing injury prone players. I would class him as the second best player at the club behind Harley Reid, and Reid only on promise not on what he has actually delivered.

If a club wants to pay him enough that we get top compo then it would be good business. Waterman coming on was unexpected and we have some much tall depth.

 

[sharps24]

This is where this discussion is getting silly. Because we hold a good draft bounty and have potential NGA and F/S available, suddenly we are ripe to take 6-8 next year?
It is way too early to make any judgment on that. Those NGA and F/S lads might not be worth a pinch of sh1t by the end of the year. We may trade out 3 picks for a player or move some into 2026 or trade 3 picks to move up the order (crazy talk I know). There are so many things that have not even started to play out that wringing our hands about who to delist next season is a complete waste of time at the moment.

Virtually every player we are discussing being delisted we should be backing to improve and earn another contract outside of 3 players. On the balance of probabilities Warner stays in Sydney, Allen re-signs. Cripps and Sheed retire. We replace them with our first round pick, Rodreigez, and by matching for Banfield. Thats 2 additions to the midfield. We then need to turn our attention to Cody Curtin, because we need a KPD. Maybe Hawks pick is enough, maybe we need to bundle it with our later picks and move up the order a few spots. We land Curtin, so delist Jameison. Draft and trade period over. Everyone else on the list improves and is retained for 2026, in which we play finals. We assess the Williams, Flynn, Barnett situation end of 2026 when the later two finish their contracts.

 

[Keys]

Noah Long is contracted to the end of 2026. Just saying

Long, the club’s final selection in the 2022 draft at #58, played 19 games in an impactful debut season that sees him bracketed with Reuben Ginbey, Elijah Hewett, Culley, Brady Hough, Rhett Bazzo and Campbell Chesser as key pillars in the club’s rebuild.

The lively small forward showed high football intelligence and enthusiasm and has agreed to a two-year extension, binding him to the club until at least the end of the 2026 season.

Unless, for some bizarre reason, he asks to be traded he isn’t going anywhere until the end of 2026 at the earliest

He’s also one of our glue guys who has been prominent in driving the culture amongst the young players in particular

 

[Keys]

There has been a reluctance from many clubs to let the northern academy and F/S prospects slide. Melbourne, Sydney and Geelong have been the regular bidders. With SOS now at St Blunders, they look like joining in.

With that in mind and another 12 months of development to see, it is likely that only Annables (Lions) and Uwland (Suns) are picked in the top 10. Both clubs have already got the points needed to match these 2 and their other prospects so we can expect a sale of their R1 picks. Using the bookies odds, Suns are likely to have something like 6, 9 and 12.

Assuming we have something like
Eagles R1 - 2 to 5
Hawks R1 - 10 - 15
Eagles R2 - 20 to 25
Hawks R2 - 30 to 35

I think the top end may end up as better prospects that the first 5 from this years draft. Who will b enumber 1 and Of those in the open pool, there seems a some early consensus that the top 8 in alphabetical order (saves unwanted feedback on exact order) will be

1. Duff-Tytler - Cannons 199cm KPF/ruck
2. Duursma - Gippsland 191cm utility
3. Emmett - Chargers 199cm KPF/ruck
4. Greeves - Rangers 191cm midfielder
5. Ludowkye - Dragons 195cm KPF
6. Onley - Bushrangers 194cm mid
7. Rodriguez - South Fremantle 184cm midfielder
8. Sharp - Central Districts 188cm midfielder

- this is indicative and very early so no need to reply as to who you have 1 2 3 etc

Note: I am assuming the KPF will continue to be at in high demand however we did not see the same premium in the latest draft which allowed Shanahan and J Whitlock to slide. Was this a permanent shift (lower demand) or was it due to there be a large number of very good prospects (higher supply)?

So Tigers expecting to get 2 of the above and Eagles 1. Essendon could even be in for 2 of the above.

If Banfield is the earliest of our club tied prospects expected in the 30 to 40 bracket, we should be able to get 3 in before him or possibly 4

My top WA prospects is rough early order are:
Rodriguez
Curtin
Swadling
Whan (Freo NGA)
Banfield

Walley is interesting. He performed well in the carnival as a bottom agers and time at MRP may be enough to see him elevated up the order.

With Hawthorn’s R1 and the two R2 picks we hold, we’re in a very good place to bundle a couple of those picks to move up the order with a club looking to accumulate points, like Gold Coast

Moving up the draft order isn’t something we’ve traditionally done but if we have fewer list spots to fill, next year might be the time to do it. Especially if Warner decides to stay put

 

[Elite Pete]

if the Chad comes home and picks us, one ideal situation is the Swans have an academy kid push into the top 5 so our first is less available to them.

Rodrigues and Warner….. could you imagine. I reckon if Archer Reid shows a bit again, that’s the sort of player they might seek to be included in a trade. Shanahan as well, Cal linked them in
I’m his post draft wrap. (even if it is on the border)

 

[kane249]

Cam Mooney is having a right old sook about Chad catching up with Don. I don't recall him being so upset when Smitch was catching up with TB.

From his old club it's been known for 12 months that Bailey Smith was going there and they tried their darndest to recruit a contracted Clayton Oliver there as well.

 

[WCE777]

There has been a reluctance from many clubs to let the northern academy and F/S prospects slide. Melbourne, Sydney and Geelong have been the regular bidders. With SOS now at St Blunders, they look like joining in.

With that in mind and another 12 months of development to see, it is likely that only Annables (Lions) and Uwland (Suns) are picked in the top 10. Both clubs have already got the points needed to match these 2 and their other prospects so we can expect a sale of their R1 picks. Using the bookies odds, Suns are likely to have something like 6, 9 and 12.

Assuming we have something like
Eagles R1 - 2 to 5
Hawks R1 - 10 - 15
Eagles R2 - 20 to 25
Hawks R2 - 30 to 35

I think the top end may end up as better prospects that the first 5 from this years draft. Who will b enumber 1 and Of those in the open pool, there seems a some early consensus that the top 8 in alphabetical order (saves unwanted feedback on exact order) will be

1. Duff-Tytler - Cannons 199cm KPF/ruck
2. Duursma - Gippsland 191cm utility
3. Emmett - Chargers 199cm KPF/ruck
4. Greeves - Rangers 191cm midfielder
5. Ludowkye - Dragons 195cm KPF
6. Onley - Bushrangers 194cm mid
7. Rodriguez - South Fremantle 184cm midfielder
8. Sharp - Central Districts 188cm midfielder

- this is indicative and very early so no need to reply as to who you have 1 2 3 etc

Note: I am assuming the KPF will continue to be at in high demand however we did not see the same premium in the latest draft which allowed Shanahan and J Whitlock to slide. Was this a permanent shift (lower demand) or was it due to there be a large number of very good prospects (higher supply)?

So Tigers expecting to get 2 of the above and Eagles 1. Essendon could even be in for 2 of the above.

If Banfield is the earliest of our club tied prospects expected in the 30 to 40 bracket, we should be able to get 3 in before him or possibly 4

My top WA prospects is rough early order are:
Rodriguez
Curtin
Swadling
Whan (Freo NGA)
Banfield

Walley is interesting. He performed well in the carnival as a bottom agers and time at MRP may be enough to see him elevated up the order.

great analysis, agree with most of WA talent as well.
Assuming WC get C Warner with 2 x 1st round picks, best case scenario 1 is a F1st, Rodriguez and Curtin would be WC priorities, Banfield and Walley are 2nd round at best and got plenty of capital to make those bids happen.
WC are going to need at least 1 more first round pick to pull this off, not a problem as you point out GC have a spare first round pick available, being able to trade 2 years in advance next year is ideal timing for us, wouldn't be against trading some 2026 top draft capital to finish off trade/draft ideals? Getting C Warner and drafting 2 first round picks in Rodriguez and Curtin before Banfield, Walley.
If scenario plays out WC are probably done for young talent of any significant numbers and turn their heads to FA and trade for 2026 and beyond, only topping up on top end talent, re Melbourne last 2 years, best available 1st round picks and only a couple using future assets.

 

[bzparkes]

Cam Mooney is having a right old sook about Chad catching up with Don. I don't recall him being so upset when Smitch was catching up with TB.

Wonder if he's ever going to share the details of his discussions with Geelong, prior to leaving North?

 

[Bacchus]

If a club wants to pay him enough that we get top compo then it would be good business. Waterman coming on was unexpected and we have some much tall depth.

Good business - ruthless, heartless, soulless, mercenary - doesn’t do much for club culture

There has been some inappropriate indulgence in the past but this is swinging to the opposite extreme.
Letting an A level talent who is also captain go mid career is an awkward look and feel.
Don’t see any other clubs doing it.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Looking at the contract status, I have updated the position by age to highlight in red the out of contract players

Key observations

1. 3 of the 4 KPDers (all bar Edwards) are OOC in 2025
2. Half or 5 of the forwards are OOCA
3. All players turning 30 or more (apart from Yeo) are OOC

BTW - I've simplified my categories as it was becoming messy besides, it feels like we are getting a load of dual or multi position players.

 

[WCE_phil]

It really comes down to when Tasmania gets to start pillaging. Is it 2026 or 2027, we'll find out next year. If it's 2026 our best possible scenario goes a bit like this.

Trade 2026 and 2027 first with Sydney finishing 5th and sending back their 2025 second for Warner.
Trade 3 2025 second round picks plus 2026 future second for GC highest FR and hope their top Academy player moves well up to top 5. Let's say it's pick 6.

WCE are still shit in 2025.
Use 3 first round picks on Sharp, Rodriguez & Curtin.

Improve over the course of 2 years developing the youngsters and go hardcore on front loading FA's that compliment the side and a decent Ruck.

Will never happen but i'd forgo high end picks in 2 compromised drafts to concentrate 2021-2025 as a group. It's 3.35 and i'm on roughly my 10th San Mig but it's nice to dream.

2025 finish 16th
2026 finish 12th
2027 finish 6th
2028 Win the flag, Duggan retires keeping the tradition of having a minumum 1 former flag member in the next premiership.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

With Harley Reid coming out of contract the year after next, if he wants to join say his supported club (Geelong) what would they have to offer us? i'd imagine something like the Kelly farm we gave up would be a starting point. Minimum 4 first rounders (2 of those top 10's).

 

[Bacchus]

With Harley Reid coming out of contract the year after next, if he wants to join say his supported club (Geelong) what would they have to offer us? i'd imagine something like the Kelly farm we gave up would be a starting point. Minimum 4 first rounders (2 of those top 10's).

They won’t have the draft capital so they will offer some scraps in their usual style