List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition

[Keys]

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SSP signing dates

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• Monday, November 25, 2024 – Thursday, December 19, 2024
• Monday, January 13, 2025 – Friday, February 21, 2025

Players out of Contract (16) - 2025

Spoiler

• Tim Kelly (26/7/94) - Signed a 6 year contract (2020-25) in October 2019
• Dom Sheed (10/4/95) - Signed a 4 year extension (2022-25) in April 2021*
• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Tom Cole (28/5/97) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) in May 2022
• Rhett Bazzo (17/10/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in September 2022
• Jayden Hunt (3/4/95) - Signed a 3 year contract (2023-25) in October 2022
• Callum Jamieson (31/7/00) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in March 2023
• Jeremy McGovern (15/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• Jack Petruccelle (12/4/99) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R) Jack Hutchinson (10/11/01) - Automatic 18 month contract (2024-25) when drafted in May 2024
• (R) Tyrell Dewar (27/3/04) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in June 2024
• (R) Loch Rawlinson (1/6/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Scooter his his injury as much as possible from the club and continued to play with it. It ruined his career. Pure stupidity.

Insane. Was a wasted career.

110 games at end of age 23 season where he averaged 25 touches, 6 clearances, 7 tackles a game, only manged 59 more games.

 

[nameless]

Dewar for next captain...

 

[Obeanie1]

If Harley hasn't re-signed by the end of next season you call up Richmond and see what you can get. At minimum their first rounder and NM first rounder. Next year going to Richmond is going to be our best chance to maximize his value if he is planning on going to go back to Victoria after 3 years.

What makes you think he would want to go to a club further behind than we are?

The plan should be a simple one.

Liaise with the AFL on the maximum amount we are allowed to pay Harley in his 3rd year. We lobby hard for a concession via the rules (new rules on 3rd year payments). Lets say the maximum the AFL will allow including marketing is $1.5m.

Now Harley is contracted for the 3rd year, no other side can offer him anything for year 3, only the Eagles.

We go to Harley and his manager and say we are prepared to pay $1.5m in year 3 however we want a minimum 3 year extension on agreed money. Minimum 3 years. End of the 6th year 2029 he is on say $2M including incentives/ bonuses.

If Harley says no, not interested then we only pay him $400k in year 3, not $1.5m in year 3 and he leaves $1.1M sitting on the table.

That is a nice incentive to sign up. A very compelling one and an offer no other team can make for year 3.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Dusty is only one example. One example doesn't void the pattern.

When Gawn was appointed captain, Tracc was too young.



Selwood
Danger
Fyfe
Cripps
Buckley
Hird
Voss
Pavlich
Kelly
Reiwoldt
Carey

Let me know if you want me to name more.

I can go on and on and on. Generally, the best player is often the best leader. Generally, most clubs will install the best player as leader.

Premiership captains since 2005, Red crosses were clearly not the teams best player, Blue is debtabale if they were.

Yes, normally one of the better players will be captain, normally because they've been developed into that as well, but there is no correlation between being the best player and being the best captain. Woosha was probably our best captain / leader from the front, but wouldn't have been in the top 5 players in our team during 92-94.

 

[kane249]

John Worsfold went all right as a captain/leader, definitely wasn't the best player during his era either

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

but there is no correlation between being the best player and being the best captain.
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Lol.

Graham Farmer
John Nicholls
Alex Jesaulenko
Trevor Baker
Robbie Flower
Gary Ablett snr
Gary Ablett jnr
Gary Lyon
Warren Tredrea
Toby Greene
Shane Crawford
Chris Gant
Marcus Bontempelli
Doug Hawkins
Luke Darcy
Brad Johnson
David Neitz

Do I need to name more?

 

[Kegs15]

Dusty is only one example. One example doesn't void the pattern.

When Gawn was appointed captain, Tracc was too young.



Selwood
Danger
Fyfe
Cripps
Buckley
Hird
Voss
Pavlich
Kelly
Reiwoldt
Carey

Let me know if you want me to name more.

I can go on and on and on. Generally, the best player is often the best leader. Generally, most clubs will install the best player as leader.

I wouldn't say 'generally' at all. I think a captain has to be a good player at least (able to walk the walk etc) and do agree partly in that to be the best player at a club you usually would have had to get the most out of yourself with professionalism etc, which would put you in the conversation.

But I'd argue being the best player wouldn't or shouldn't be a factor in picking a captain. Once they're past a certain level (lets say top 10 players in the team) you'd be picking on leadership, timing, what's best for them and the team etc. If that's the best player then great, many times it would be, but shouldn't be a factor IMO.

We've had Worsfold, Hurn, Glass who were all excellent players and in our top 5 but would have been selected for leadership qualities first. Tom Harley captained Geelong's team of all-stars, Nick Maxwell Collingwood's. The list Happy Mastenator just posted covers it quite nicely.

Regarding the Harley Reid suggestion specifically, I know you weren't advocating for it to be right now but in judging on present qualities and vibe for the purpose of discussion, I wouldn't see him as a good fit unless it was way later in his career. He's one of those unique Dusty/Buddy types in terms of a whole new level of coverage and pressure, think just letting him play footy and lead by being ******* dominant would be best for his game and ours. The Cousins example is a good one where in hindsight the captaincy wasn't the best thing for the Prince of Perth - not that Reid would go the drug path but similar types of heart on sleeve players who have media bombardments to deal with and think the club wont have forgotten it.

Different when you get a robot professional type like Judd (Bont/Pendles type best player) but arguably the captaincy wasn't the best thing for him either despite the premiership. It's an under-the-microscope gig being the captain of WA's only relevant AFL club, arguably more scrutiny than any other captaincy gig and we've done well with Hurn and Glass recently who just quietly got on with it. Could just see Harley getting suspended for a dangerous tackle or something halfway through a season where we're contending, and it should be an ok thing that he gets a weeks rest anyway, but as captain him and the club getting the media shitstorm from VFL.com/unwanted pressure put on him and the playing group.

Ignoring for the sake of argument the likelihood that Allen stays/Waterman as an option, if someone like Ginbey does become a top 5-10 player for us that's the direction I'd be leaning in. He's a bit more boring, has shown leadership qualities and extreme professionalism already, pending on-field progression if judging purely at this stage he'd be more the vibe for me.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Lol.

Graham Farmer
John Nicholls
Alex Jesaulenko
Trevor Baker
Robbie Flower
Gary Ablett snr
Gary Ablett jnr
Gary Lyon
Warren Tredrea
Toby Greene
Shane Crawford
Chris Gant
Marcus Bontempelli
Doug Hawkins
Luke Darcy
Brad Johnson
David Neitz

Do I need to name more?

You're just listing names and ignoring others, and i'd go so far to say at lot of them aren't/weren't captains. I specifically said the better players are normally captains, that doesn't mean that they have to be the very best on the team to make the very best captain.

 

[Boohemian]

Surely we can all appreciate that leadership is a completely different skillset to footballing good?

 

[WCErevival]

Surely we can all appreciate that leadership is a completely different skillset to footballing good?

Definitely. You just need to make sure you're still best 18.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Surely we can all appreciate that leadership is a completely different skillset to footballing good?

You’d think so.

 

[Art OF war]

That's no fun though, how is the board supposed to over react (eg. Ditching our captain) with messages like 'wait and see'

I'm hearing Harper Banfield is looking like he could be a gun 2026, hope its a sign of things to come.

Harper Banfield always played in his older brothers team and was still one of the better players in that team, if not the league. I was told he has higher ceiling but that was a few years ago.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I wouldn't say 'generally' at all. I think a captain has to be a good player at least (able to walk the walk etc) and do agree partly in that to be the best player at a club you usually would have had to get the most out of yourself with professionalism etc, which would put you in the conversation.

But I'd argue being the best player wouldn't or shouldn't be a factor in picking a captain. Once they're past a certain level (lets say top 10 players in the team) you'd be picking on leadership, timing, what's best for them and the team etc. If that's the best player then great, many times it would be, but shouldn't be a factor IMO.

We've had Worsfold, Hurn, Glass who were all excellent players and in our top 5 but would have been selected for leadership qualities first. Tom Harley captained Geelong's team of all-stars, Nick Maxwell Collingwood's. The list Happy Mastenator just posted covers it quite nicely.

Regarding the Harley Reid suggestion specifically, I know you weren't advocating for it to be right now but in judging on present qualities and vibe for the purpose of discussion, I wouldn't see him as a good fit unless it was way later in his career. He's one of those unique Dusty/Buddy types in terms of a whole new level of coverage and pressure, think just letting him play footy and lead by being ******* dominant would be best for his game and ours. The Cousins example is a good one where in hindsight the captaincy wasn't the best thing for the Prince of Perth - not that Reid would go the drug path but similar types of heart on sleeve players who have media bombardments to deal with and think the club wont have forgotten it.

Different when you get a robot professional type like Judd (Bont/Pendles type best player) but arguably the captaincy wasn't the best thing for him either despite the premiership. It's an under-the-microscope gig being the captain of WA's only relevant AFL club, arguably more scrutiny than any other captaincy gig and we've done well with Hurn and Glass recently who just quietly got on with it. Could just see Harley getting suspended for a dangerous tackle or something halfway through a season where we're contending, and it should be an ok thing that he gets a weeks rest anyway, but as captain him and the club getting the media shitstorm from VFL.com/unwanted pressure put on him and the playing group.

Ignoring for the sake of argument the likelihood that Allen stays/Waterman as an option, if someone like Ginbey does become a top 5-10 player for us that's the direction I'd be leaning in. He's a bit more boring, has shown leadership qualities and extreme professionalism already, pending on-field progression if judging purely at this stage he'd be more the vibe for me.

Cool, you just wrote an essay on shit that doesn't matter. I didn't read it. Often clubs choose the best payer as captain. If you don't think that's the case, that's fine. If you want to have a huge argument about it then you're rocking activist vibes.

 

[KBLT]

I've had enough of Gunnar's new account

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

You're just listing names and ignoring others, and i'd go so far to say at lot of them aren't/weren't great captainas. I specifically said the better players are normally captains, that doesn't mean that they have to be the very best on the team to make the very best captain.

I'm not the one who's saying, "look, here's one exception, therefore what you're saying must be false". I absolutely understand that not all captains are the best players. I also understand that sometime clubs overlook the best player (because they're not the best leader). But often, they just go with the best player. Or often, the best player is also the best leader. Not sure why this is worthy of a huge debate.

 

[bzparkes]

I've had enough of Gunnar's new account

Nah, not enough multi-quote.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Surely we can all appreciate that leadership is a completely different skillset to footballing good?

Often the best player is also the best leader.
Often clubs want to give the best player an opportunity to learn how to lead.
It's hard to lead from a place of lower competence.
Often the best player has been a leader all the way through.

They're different, but often go hand in hand. That's how life works.

 

[Keys]

Choosing the best player as captain in preference to the best leader is how Buddy ended up captain of the 2018 AA team instead of Hurn

 

[KBLT]

I have a three month old daughter in the house and somehow she's the second most infantile person I've seen today.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I have a three month old daughter in the house and somehow she's the second most infantile person I've seen today.

I'm not the one starting arguments over f-all. "Oh. here's an exception, therefore you're wrong". These people should go to a climate change rally or something.

 

[KBLT]

I'm not the one starting arguments over f-all. "Oh. here's an exception, therefore you're wrong". These people should go to a climate change rally or something.

"But he started it!"

 

[Doashuey]

The actual comment was

“career trajectory similar to…” is misrepresenting things a bit, especially considering Selwood’s career went from B&F to utter shit very quickly

Let this be a lesson to all of you.
If you think you can waltz around making arguments by paraphrasing something said around here from 2 years ago, you better think again.
FKASC will spend his considerable spare time on BF to search down that quote and with it he will roll you over and go to work.

 

[WCE777]

Harper Banfield always played in his older brothers team and was still one of the better players in that team, if not the league. I was told he has higher ceiling but that was a few years ago.

nice to have another F/S in the works.

 

[Kegs15]

I've had enough of Gunnar's new account

Nah, not enough multi-quote.

It's 100% Bunsen Burner (of 'Come Pay Homage to my Superior Footballing Intellect' fame)

 

[Avalor]

BSD competition going on here!