List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Obeanie1]

Replace 1 soft as butter inconsistent ruck sized forward for with another ?

That sounds very freo

Hense the perfect replacement,

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Its such a west coast thing to go after English.

We tried and failed due to a technicality to get English registered for the draft by getting him to play 1 colts game but due to having the wrong address on his application he was ineligible.

12 months later he played in the state u18s and was drafted in the first round .

West coast loves a player they rated and got away

 

[Dark Sharks]

Like Kane Lucas

Kane Lucas

Age

33

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

19.4

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

10.4

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

1.2

4star

.

 

[bono333]

Its such a west coast thing to go after English.

We tried and failed due to a technicality to get English registered for the draft by getting him to play 1 colts game but due to having the wrong address on his application he was ineligible.

12 months later he played in the state u18s and was drafted in the first round .

West coast loves a player they rated and got away

Was actually Collingwood.

How Tim English nearly landed at Collingwood

Former recruiter Matt Rendell explains the misunderstanding that saw Collingwood miss out.

www.sen.com.au

 

[the harry]

Its such a west coast thing to go after English.

We tried and failed due to a technicality to get English registered for the draft by getting him to play 1 colts game but due to having the wrong address on his application he was ineligible.

12 months later he played in the state u18s and was drafted in the first round .

West coast loves a player they rated and got away

It makes me sense to me than going "we thought this player was no good but they're going well in another clubs system"

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Its such a west coast thing to go after English.

We tried and failed due to a technicality to get English registered for the draft by getting him to play 1 colts game but due to having the wrong address on his application he was ineligible.

12 months later he played in the state u18s and was drafted in the first round .

West coast loves a player they rated and got away

English was from Corrigin (or there abouts) which is tied to South Freo. He was boarding and playing football for CCGS and Claremont tried to get a couple of games into him post PSA season. Since he had played football as a junior for his country side, the registration for Claremont was refected. Hence he was delayed a year in getting drafted

I was not aware that West Coast stuffed it up and I have no idea why our club would gain in registering him. We had no rights or academy access to him. We took Venables at 13 and English went at 19 so we could of picked him

In 2015, we had already traded for Redden and lost our first rounder hence a weaker draft hand.

What part are you claiming our club screwed up?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Was actually Collingwood.

How Tim English nearly landed at Collingwood

Former recruiter Matt Rendell explains the misunderstanding that saw Collingwood miss out.

www.sen.com.au

Not sure my friends from Christchurch would be happy to hear it is a catholic school!

 

[Truckosaurus]

It makes me sense to me than going "we thought this player was no good but they're going well in another clubs system"

Usually though it's more "we thought this player was good but they've done nothing in another club's system" but we recruit them anyway.

 

[Obeanie1]

So should we start looking at who's on the FA market?

We all know 2025 was going to be when our cap squeeze isnt so bad but it isnt beyond the realms of possibility that Shuey retires because of soft tissue injuries and JD gets sacked or traded (can dream).

Those two would be close to $1.5m unexpected cap space suddenly becomes available. Plus Sheppard's as well.

So up to $1.8 or $1.9m of cap space we simply didnt expect to be available in 2023. If JD is on reduced pay for 2022 and we bank it we can add another $400k as a sign up fee.

Time to go shopping?

 

[dewcefault]

Even if JD just sits out of 2022 and is put on the inactive list. That frees up $500k where we can bring payments forward for a TK or someone, creating 2023 cap space. Much better outcome than normal when a player is out a year with a LTI.

 

[bh90210fan]

So should we start looking at who's on the FA market?

We all know 2025 was going to be when our cap squeeze isnt so bad but it isnt beyond the realms of possibility that Shuey retires because of soft tissue injuries and JD gets sacked or traded (can dream).

Those two would be close to $1.5m unexpected cap space suddenly becomes available. Plus Sheppard's as well.

So up to $1.8 or $1.9m of cap space we simply didnt expect to be available in 2023. If JD is on reduced pay for 2022 and we bank it we can add another $400k as a sign up fee.

Time to go shopping?

Luke Jackson is the best WA player ooc this year. Even if Bailey Williams has a big year and Strnadica proves serviceable I’d still be going after him.

Logan McDonald next on the hit list. With Kennedy and Darling ending up there’s a sizeable hole here to fill. It’ll be interesting to see how Keitel transitions and Waterman goes playing a more permanent forward role this year, but even if they go alright we’re still going to need another key forward on the list.

Don’t want to be throwing big money at English if he has a season similar to last year. Ok forward, average ruck - meh. We’ve got Williams who can do that job.

 

[Chris_6678]

Also wouldn't want to be throwing heaps of first rounders away if we finish at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Luke Jackson is the best WA player ooc this year. Even if Bailey Williams has a big year and Strnadica proves serviceable I’d still be going after him.

Logan McDonald next on the hit list. With Kennedy and Darling ending up there’s a sizeable hole here to fill. It’ll be interesting to see how Keitel transitions and Waterman goes playing a more permanent forward role this year, but even if they go alright we’re still going to need another key forward on the list.

Don’t want to be throwing big money at English if he has a season similar to last year. Ok forward, average ruck - meh. We’ve got Williams who can do that job.

I'd give up two first rounder's for Luke Jackson.

 

[RanaNaved]

What if both those first rounders were top 6?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

What if both those first rounders were top 6?

Of course that would be reassessed if we really finished bottom 4 or so this year, but think we'll be around 8th again, given that's where we were last year with a terrible year with injuries. Take the chance of being ok next year as well.

Still, don't see it happening. Don't think he's coming back.

 

[bh90210fan]

What if both those first rounders were top 6?

If we got Jackson the later one would be pick 18

 

[darksquare]

What if both those first rounders were top 6?

Who are you, Kane Cornes?

 

[RanaNaved]

Who are you, Kane Cornes?

Obviously...

Seriously though, Melbourne will want the world for Jackson and giving away possibly two top ten picks and a large chunk of salary cap for a ruck/fwd isn't smart imo.

We need to strengthen and regenerate the midfield and the most talented and complete midfielders are usually first rounders.

 

[Obeanie1]

Also wouldn't want to be throwing heaps of first rounders away if we finish at the bottom of the ladder.

For the right player you would.

 

[Obeanie1]

What if both those first rounders were top 6?

How does that happen?

 

[DanWCE]

Of course that would be reassessed if we really finished bottom 4 or so this year, but think we'll be around 8th again, given that's where we were last year with a terrible year with injuries. Take the chance of being ok next year as well.

Still, don't see it happening. Don't think he's coming back.

Would be difficult to pry a key asset from a premiership team. Especially a young bloke who is looking down the barrel of the possibility at multiple flags and getting swept up in it all with his senior team mates.

Lycett left but he was a mature player who saw it as an opportunity to have his cake and eat it too.

Buddy left for a godfather deal.

It doesn't happen often.

 

[RanaNaved]

How dodoes that happen?

Finishing in the bottom third in consecutive years

 

[kane249]

Luke Jackson is the best WA player ooc this year. Even if Bailey Williams has a big year and Strnadica proves serviceable I’d still be going after him.



Don’t want to be throwing big money at English if he has a season similar to last year. Ok forward, average ruck - meh. We’ve got Williams who can do that job.

Tim English is like Luke Jackson from Wish

 

[JackOutback]

Would be difficult to pry a key asset from a premiership team. Especially a young bloke who is looking down the barrel of the possibility at multiple flags and getting swept up in it all with his senior team mates.

Lycett left but he was a mature player who saw it as an opportunity to have his cake and eat it too.

Buddy left for a godfather deal.

It doesn't happen often.

Equally, might be easier to pry a player loose who has already achieved the singular goal all players are chasing.

 

[DanWCE]

Equally, might be easier to pry a player loose who has already achieved the singular goal all players are chasing.

I feel as though the ones easiest pried away are those who have played a lot of footy and only likely to get one more big contract.

LJ has 15 years ahead of him, and being a Melbourne club, a good chance of bagging a few more flags if the boys are committed.

If they strike out in the next 3 seasons he might be more open to a move, although if Max is Gawn by then he could be the main man.