List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[The_Gambler]

Deven Robertson just cant break into that lions midfield group. Surely we can pry him out at seasons end

Surely we have to nab some very highly rated player cheap with a guarantee they play 20 games immediately compared with etching a career out in the 2’s. A ready made player plus nail your first 2 picks and things can change quick

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Surely we have to nab some very highly rated player cheap with a guarantee they play 20 games immediately compared with etching a career out in the 2’s. A ready made player plus nail your first 2 picks and things can change quick

Tanner Bruhn from GWS is 2nd year out of contract mid that cant get a go in the midfield due to so much talent .

Eagles supporter , lived in Perth before and is very good mates with chesser .

Recon if we convinced him to come to us we could get him with one of our 2nd rounders .

 

[Coasters7]

Surely we have to nab some very highly rated player cheap with a guarantee they play 20 games immediately compared with etching a career out in the 2’s. A ready made player plus nail your first 2 picks and things can change quick

Unfortunate that all the West Aussies from the expansion clubs turned out to be the most loyal. The Vic clubs were able to pick and choose the best picks without having to select them themselves in the drafts. Get a good look at who is going to be decent, wait for them to inevitably be squeezed out, nab them for firesale prices. Not a bad gig

Players like Steele I was always keen on us having a go at. But we were never really in the conversation unless Cogs, Omeara etc wanted to come home, and we’d have been paying a truckload for those guys anyway

 

[ziad]

Tanner Bruhn from GWS is 2nd year out of contract mid that cant get a go in the midfield due to so much talent .

Eagles supporter , lived in Perth before and is very good mates with chesser .

Recon if we convinced him to come to us we could get him with one of our 2nd rounders .

Just wondering, second round pick for a player that cannot get a game?

 

[The_Gambler]

Just wondering, second round pick for a player that cannot get a game?

So you want O’Brien to use a second round pick on an 18 yo who won’t play a game? Much safer trading for someone who has shown a bit at AFL level

 

[southcoast]

ghostbat12
It's tough to rate a recruiting department. What key points would you say are most valuable?
I personally rate Masten at 3 as a bust but he did play 215 games and is a premiership player. 2009 rookie of the year, finished 3rd in the B&F 3 times. That's both decent team and personal success.

Ive personally done analysis from around 2010 and we have done an above average job compared to most of the AFL. Taking into account games played and where picks are taken and also what players were taken around that mark as rated by 17 other clubs.

Be genuinely interested in hearing what you consider a successful ‘pick’. Is it as simply something quantifiable as games played?

Is it something less tangible as contribution to club ethos? - remembering not all ‘great and loyal servants’ end their careers with a trophy in the cabinet.

Is it something like ‘improved the team by replacing a ‘lesser’ player?

Is it something based on the intake of the year rather than the individuals taken?

As I said genuine question and something I’ve pondered for a while - even thought I’d ring ABC Sportstalk to see what those gurus think.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Just wondering, second round pick for a player that cannot get a game?

He is playing on a flank or up forward because he looks a great player but can't get a go on ball where he plays his best footy .

You have Toranto , Kelly, coniglio , hopper , ward , Green, ash and O'halloran in front of him

 

[ziad]

He is playing on a flank or up forward because he looks a great player but can't get a go on ball where he plays his best footy .

You have Toranto , Kelly, coniglio , hopper , ward , Green, ash and O'halloran in front of him

Dont forget Brander.

To be real, for us to step up we need one of Toranto , Kelly, coniglio , hopper , ward , Green, (or similar)

 

[briztoon]

Deven Robertson just cant break into that lions midfield group. Surely we can pry him out at seasons end

He better get a run soon, and it better be in the midfield, or there’s going to be a bit of mutiny on our board.

Our problem is Fagan sticks fat with his best 22, come hell or high water.

 

[briztoon]

Congratulations to The Replacements.

 

[eagles rule]

He better get a run soon, and it better be in the midfield, or there’s going to be a bit of mutiny on our board.

Our problem is Fagan sticks fat with his best 22, come hell or high water.

who comes out for Robertson ?

 

[briztoon]

who comes out for Robertson ?

Anyone one of Cockatoo or Robinson or JBerry.

We’ve got a few underperforming and/or our forward midfield mix is wrong.

My preference would be for Robinson to come out, Ah Chee to a full time wing role opposite McCluggage, and DevRob to come in, and both Robertson and JBerry rotate between midfield and wing.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Naish did his best work today hitting that corridor kick out of defence .

Wonder if he could be that run and carry HBF to replace jetta/sheppard ?

He is the only one with pace and kicking skills i can think of that is ready to slot into that role .

 

[dinnaz]

Be genuinely interested in hearing what you consider a successful ‘pick’. Is it as simply something quantifiable as games played?

Is it something less tangible as contribution to club ethos? - remembering not all ‘great and loyal servants’ end their careers with a trophy in the cabinet.

Is it something like ‘improved the team by replacing a ‘lesser’ player?

Is it something based on the intake of the year rather than the individuals taken?

As I said genuine question and something I’ve pondered for a while - even thought I’d ring ABC Sportstalk to see what those gurus think.

As we know stats don't give you a perfect description of a player. The most quantifiable figure would be games played then goals(fwd) poss(mid).
From west coast compare McGinnity & Partington. Partington is the better footballer no doubt but McGinnity played 93 games as a pressure specialist.
#27 pre season draft McGinnity id say is a good pick.
#28 ND Partington as a bust.
I only counted how many hits when I did it a few years ago and obviously where they were taken is looked at.
My theory is players taken ND 35+ and rookies are a lot less likely to make the grade so if they can play 100 or more games then its a good result. If they play 200 and All Austrlian level then it's a massive hit.
#51 (Nelson), rookie (Mcgovern)
Where as guy taken high first round would be marked harshly. 3 (Masten) 7 (Sheppard) you'd want to see superstar status. Both played 200 average-good games but overall performed well underneath what you would expect form that high of a pick.

The final thing I took into account was the draft overall. So things like Tambling>Buddy happening would be a negative. (To be fair Tambling could have been anything if Richmond had any player development around that time). Its a little hard because pre draft speculation differs from how players careers pan out. So once again games played is a good indicator.

Going back to 2009 as most guys have had full careers.
Trengove should have been a star, Morabito as well, Butcher always showed he could play but just couldn't kick, Menzels knees etc, etc. You can see why they are drafted but in the end its performance which is counted:
I would say the top end was seen as great at the time. Being Scully, Trengove, Martin, Morabito, Cunnington, Butchern.
After that was seen as a step down in quality which is where recruiters earn their keep IMO. Pretty much everone in the top 20 could have gone at any spot based on needs or best available and so on.
Rohan (athletic attributes) & Sheppard (recruiting managers godson and WA link)were taken early which happened to be bad luck holding those picks and unable to trade down like our Chesser move.
Available players which turned out better than our #7 are Fyfe, Duncan, Gunston, Jetta and we were pretty keen on him.

We had just taken Naitanui so never were going to go after a ruck :Gawn, Jacobs
Key Fwd we had Kennedy so wasnt high priority :Butcher,
Key Defenders which we were never going to take because we had Glass, McKenzie & Wilkes/Maister: Grimes, Talia, Carlisle, Astbury, Dawson(lol)

1​	Melbourne​	Tom ScullyP​	Average​	187​
2​	Melbourne​	Jack TrengoveP​	Poor​	89​
3​	Richmond​	Dustin Martin​	​ Excellent​	261​
4​	Fremantle​	Anthony Morabito​	Poor​	26​
5​	North Melbourne​	Ben Cunnington​	​ Good​	227​
6​	Sydney​	Gary Rohan​	​ Poor​	165​
7​	West Coast​	Bradley Sheppard​	Good​	216​
8​	Port Adelaide​	John Butcher​	Poor​	31​
9​	Port Adelaide​	Andrew Moore​	Poor​	60​
10​	Essendon​	Jake Melksham​	​ Average​	195​
11​	Melbourne​	Jordan Gysberts​	Terrible​	19​
12​	Carlton​	Kane Lucas​	Poor​	42​
13​	Adelaide​	Daniel Talia​	Good​	200​
14​	Sydney​	Lewis Jetta​	Good​	202​
15​	Western Bulldogs​	Christian Howard​	Poor​	20​
16​	Port Adelaide​	Jasper Pittard​	Average​	159​
17​	Geelong​	Daniel Menzel​	Average​	80​
18​	Melbourne​	Luke Tapscott​	Poor​	48​
19​	Richmond​	Benjamin Griffiths​	Poor​	63​
20​	Fremantle​	Nathan Fyfe​	​ Stupendous​	202​

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

My preference would be for DevRob to come in, and both Robertson and JBerry rotate between midfield and wing.

Wow - my wildest dream is looking good. Brisbane is going to trade us both DevRob and JBerry.

Where do I sign

 

[dinnaz]

Type	Round	Pick	Player		Games Played
National​	1​	7​	Bradley Sheppard​	Good​	216​
National​	2​	22​	Gerrick Weedon​	Bust​	1​
National​	2​	23​	Koby Stevens​	Bust​	11​
Pre-Season​	1​	5​	Ryan Neates​	Bust​	1​
Rookie​	1​	11​	Lewis Broome​	Bust​	0​
Rookie​	2​	27​	Andrew Strijk​	Bust​	13​
Rookie​	3​	40​	Ashton Hams​	Bust​	39​
Rookie​	4​	53​	Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls​	Bust​	0​

For our 2009 we were poor. Gaining only 1 player essentially in Sheppard at pick 7 which should be a given.
With a lot of good players still available at picks 22,23 Weedon and Stevens were the bad picks that should have yielded results.
It also seemed that we were looking for a small fwd Weedon, Neates, Broome, Hams cos he's short

A few things to notice around this time that were probably coaching directives.

• We were picking up WA players who were unwanted by interstate clubs- hoping to turn their careers around. Oakley-Nicholls, Morton, Lucas, Dick, Bennell.
• We were taking mature age WAFL players Strijk, Hams etc to prop up the team. Handy guys on their day but were never going to make an impact at AFL level.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Not going to bow to Strijk being a ‘bust’. Was definitely AFL standard, just let down by his health in the end. Was a great rookie selection.

Hams played some decent footy for such a late pick too. Bust? Nah.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Type	Round	Pick	Player		Games Played
National​	1​	7​	Bradley Sheppard​	Good​	216​
National​	2​	22​	Gerrick Weedon​	Bust​	1​
National​	2​	23​	Koby Stevens​	Bust​	11​
Pre-Season​	1​	5​	Ryan Neates​	Bust​	1​
Rookie​	1​	11​	Lewis Broome​	Bust​	0​
Rookie​	2​	27​	Andrew Strijk​	Bust​	13​
Rookie​	3​	40​	Ashton Hams​	Bust​	39​
Rookie​	4​	53​	Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls​	Bust​	0​

For our 2009 we were poor. Gaining only 1 player essentially in Sheppard at pick 7 which should be a given.
With a lot of good players still available at picks 22,23 Weedon and Stevens were the bad picks that should have yielded results.
It also seemed that we were looking for a small fwd Weedon, Neates, Broome, Hams cos he's short

A few things to notice around this time that were probably coaching directives.

• We were picking up WA players who were unwanted by interstate clubs- hoping to turn their careers around. Oakley-Nicholls, Morton, Lucas, Dick, Bennell.
• We were taking mature age WAFL players Strijk, Hams etc to prop up the team. Handy guys on their day but were never going to make an impact at AFL level.

Koby Stevens didn't turn out too badly at WB, it's mainly that we wouldn't give him much of an opportunity.
He retired early due to concussion.
We got pick 44 for him which wasn't bad result for a player with only 11 games in 3 years and probably would've been delisted soon.
Unfortunately we used that pick on Colledge. We could've ended up with Tim Membrey who was the pick after.

 

[Truckosaurus]

I think 'Good' is a bit high for Morabito. He might have been a great player but for the repeated ACLs, but he had the repeated ACLs and never actually got there.

 

[dinnaz]

I think 'Good' is a bit high for Morabito. He might have been a great player but for the repeated ACLs, but he had the repeated ACLs and never actually got there.

Corrected that one up. Most are pretty easily rated based on an eye test and games played.

 

[mattyc75]

Naish did his best work today hitting that corridor kick out of defence .

Wonder if he could be that run and carry HBF to replace jetta/sheppard ?

He is the only one with pace and kicking skills i can think of that is ready to slot into that role .

Wouldnt you just keep him on the wing with his run and carry? Our midfield is our weakest part of the ground
When cole is back he takes the game on from a hbf

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[Opposite Kids]

Wouldnt you just keep him on the wing with his run and carry? Our midfield is our weakest part of the ground
When cole is back he takes the game on from a hbf

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Agree. I think they should give Shuey the role. Had the skills and pace. His body could probably handle it also

 

[ziad]

I think 'Good' is a bit high for Morabito. He might have been a great player but for the repeated ACLs, but he had the repeated ACLs and never actually got there.

He absolutely would have. Their best player in a GF in his first season. Tragic loss to the game.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

As we know stats don't give you a perfect description of a player. The most quantifiable figure would be games played then goals(fwd) poss(mid).
From west coast compare McGinnity & Partington. Partington is the better footballer no doubt but McGinnity played 93 games as a pressure specialist.
#27 pre season draft McGinnity id say is a good pick.
#28 ND Partington as a bust.
I only counted how many hits when I did it a few years ago and obviously where they were taken is looked at.
My theory is players taken ND 35+ and rookies are a lot less likely to make the grade so if they can play 100 or more games then its a good result. If they play 200 and All Austrlian level then it's a massive hit.
#51 (Nelson), rookie (Mcgovern)
Where as guy taken high first round would be marked harshly. 3 (Masten) 7 (Sheppard) you'd want to see superstar status. Both played 200 average-good games but overall performed well underneath what you would expect form that high of a pick.

The final thing I took into account was the draft overall. So things like Tambling>Buddy happening would be a negative. (To be fair Tambling could have been anything if Richmond had any player development around that time). Its a little hard because pre draft speculation differs from how players careers pan out. So once again games played is a good indicator.

Going back to 2009 as most guys have had full careers.
Trengove should have been a star, Morabito as well, Butcher always showed he could play but just couldn't kick, Menzels knees etc, etc. You can see why they are drafted but in the end its performance which is counted:
I would say the top end was seen as great at the time. Being Scully, Trengove, Martin, Morabito, Cunnington, Butchern.
After that was seen as a step down in quality which is where recruiters earn their keep IMO. Pretty much everone in the top 20 could have gone at any spot based on needs or best available and so on.
Rohan (athletic attributes) & Sheppard (recruiting managers godson and WA link)were taken early which happened to be bad luck holding those picks and unable to trade down like our Chesser move.
Available players which turned out better than our #7 are Fyfe, Duncan, Gunston, Jetta and we were pretty keen on him.

We had just taken Naitanui so never were going to go after a ruck :Gawn, Jacobs
Key Fwd we had Kennedy so wasnt high priority :Butcher,
Key Defenders which we were never going to take because we had Glass, McKenzie & Wilkes/Maister: Grimes, Talia, Carlisle, Astbury, Dawson(lol)

1​	Melbourne​	Tom ScullyP​	Good​	187​
2​	Melbourne​	Jack TrengoveP​	Poor​	89​
3​	Richmond​	Dustin Martin​	​ Excellent​	261​
4​	Fremantle​	Anthony Morabito​	Poor​	26​
5​	North Melbourne​	Ben Cunnington​	​ Good​	227​
6​	Sydney​	Gary Rohan​	​ Poor​	165​
7​	West Coast​	Bradley Sheppard​	Good​	216​
8​	Port Adelaide​	John Butcher​	Poor​	31​
9​	Port Adelaide​	Andrew Moore​	Poor​	60​
10​	Essendon​	Jake Melksham​	​ Average​	195​
11​	Melbourne​	Jordan Gysberts​	Terrible​	19​
12​	Carlton​	Kane Lucas​	Poor​	42​
13​	Adelaide​	Daniel Talia​	Good​	200​
14​	Sydney​	Lewis Jetta​	Good​	202​
15​	Western Bulldogs​	Christian Howard​	Poor​	20​
16​	Port Adelaide​	Jasper Pittard​	Average​	159​
17​	Geelong​	Daniel Menzel​	Average​	80​
18​	Melbourne​	Luke Tapscott​	Poor​	48​
19​	Richmond​	Benjamin Griffiths​	Poor​	63​
20​	Fremantle​	Nathan Fyfe​	​ Stupendous​	202​

Sheppard was a great pick . Superstar defender who won an all Australian and would have had at least 2 if he played for a vic team .

Also you can't say scully was a good selection @ 1 but masten was a bust @ 3

Masten had a superior career IMO .
200+ games , set the standard at training for more than a decade , premiership player after having one of his best seasons , played a great grandfinal that year and a one club player

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He absolutely would have. Their best player in a GF in his first season. Tragic loss to the game.

What does GF stand for?