List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[dinnaz]

Sheppard was a great pick . Superstar defender who won an all Australian and would have had at least 2 if he played for a vic team .

Also you can't say scully was a good selection @ 1 but masten was a bust @ 3

Masten had a superior career IMO .
200+ games , set the standard at training for more than a decade , premiership player after having one of his best seasons , played a great grandfinal that year and a one club player

Shep carved out a good career in the end. But people forget it took him 6 years to cement a best 22 position. Failed as a winger and settled in the relatively easier half back position.
So that's 150 games of good footy.
Great defensively could play tall or small but didn't ever provide an elite rebound.

A great pick relatively would be Joel Selwood (7), Fyfe,(20) Dangerfield(10).

 

[dinnaz]

Also you can't say scully was a good selection @ 1 but masten was a bust @ 3

Masten had a superior career IMO .
200+ games , set the standard at training for more than a decade , premiership player after having one of his best seasons , played a great grandfinal that year and a one club player

Both were never superstars however I feel like
Scully would have cracked 200 if he hadn't snapped his ankle like a twig.
He was a better runner training 2x houses down a session, better offensively, more versatile and did it from game 1. The fact he played for a shit GWS team doesn't detract from being the better player. Average is a good call for that #1 pick

Masto took forever to be AFL relevant and once again was relegated to playing an easier role as he failed to be the elite onballer we thought we drafted. I cant really remember any games where Masten swung things in our favour or did something to win a game. Just kind of played a lot and got his 20 uncontested possessions and sent the odd bullet into the fwd line.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

What does GF stand for?

Girlfriend.

For Morabito to be Freo's best player in a GF in his first season is massive given his head:

 

[new breed]

Nic Martin hey

 

[KERRPOW]

If we end up with a top 8 pick...someone like rachelle would go iite.

 

[ziad]

Hough is another Harvey boy.

 

[briztoon]

If we end up with a top 8 pick...someone like rachelle would go iite.

There’s this kid who plays forward for Sandringham called Sheezel.

 

[southcoast]

As we know stats don't give you a perfect description of a player. The most quantifiable figure would be games played then goals(fwd) poss(mid).
From west coast compare McGinnity & Partington. Partington is the better footballer no doubt but McGinnity played 93 games as a pressure specialist.
#27 pre season draft McGinnity id say is a good pick.
#28 ND Partington as a bust.
I only counted how many hits when I did it a few years ago and obviously where they were taken is looked at.
My theory is players taken ND 35+ and rookies are a lot less likely to make the grade so if they can play 100 or more games then its a good result. If they play 200 and All Austrlian level then it's a massive hit.
#51 (Nelson), rookie (Mcgovern)
Where as guy taken high first round would be marked harshly. 3 (Masten) 7 (Sheppard) you'd want to see superstar status. Both played 200 average-good games but overall performed well underneath what you would expect form that high of a pick.

The final thing I took into account was the draft overall. So things like Tambling>Buddy happening would be a negative. (To be fair Tambling could have been anything if Richmond had any player development around that time). Its a little hard because pre draft speculation differs from how players careers pan out. So once again games played is a good indicator.

Going back to 2009 as most guys have had full careers.
Trengove should have been a star, Morabito as well, Butcher always showed he could play but just couldn't kick, Menzels knees etc, etc. You can see why they are drafted but in the end its performance which is counted:
I would say the top end was seen as great at the time. Being Scully, Trengove, Martin, Morabito, Cunnington, Butchern.
After that was seen as a step down in quality which is where recruiters earn their keep IMO. Pretty much everone in the top 20 could have gone at any spot based on needs or best available and so on.
Rohan (athletic attributes) & Sheppard (recruiting managers godson and WA link)were taken early which happened to be bad luck holding those picks and unable to trade down like etc etc …….

Interesting perspective.

While I haven’t given the ‘boom or bust’ thought as much thought as you id go with something like:

First round - 200 games & All Australian/Brownlow would make a very successful pick and career relevant to natural ability.
Second rounder - 150 games very good career.
Third rounder - 100 games
Fourth + rounder - 50 games
Rookie - 25 games

Intangibles also come into play for me. Character, leadership (not necessarily capt), professionalism etc

Note - I haven’t sat back and trawled through career v pick stats to see if my games played are reasonable numbers or not but you get the drift.

I’d classify someone like Morabito as a bust. Purely bad luck and that’s no sledge on Morabito just a really unfortunate set of circumstances.

 

[JackOutback]

Shep carved out a good career in the end. But people forget it took him 6 years to cement a best 22 position. Failed as a winger and settled in the relatively easier half back position.
So that's 150 games of good footy.
Great defensively could play tall or small but didn't ever provide an elite rebound.

A great pick relatively would be Joel Selwood (7), Fyfe,(20) Dangerfield(10).

Most teams would average one great pick per decade or more if that’s the standard we’re holding them to.

 

[Spooky17]

There’s this kid who plays forward for Sandringham called Sheezel.

That name sounds like a Pokémon not a footy player.

 

[Truckosaurus]

That name sounds like a Pokémon not a footy player.

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I was thinking limited edition Cheezles released to celebrate International Women's Day or something. In an 8 shape.

 

[Godfather32]

I was thinking limited edition Cheezles released to celebrate International Women's Day or something. In an 8 shape.

They'd also have to be pink, anything to do with women is pink apparently

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

They'd also have to be pink, anything to do with women is pink apparently

Get with the programme - purple please

 

[Godfather32]

Get with the programme - purple please

I don't really like anything that's purple

 

[dinnaz]

First round - 200 games & All Australian/Brownlow would make a very successful pick and career relevant to natural ability.
Second rounder - 150 games very good career.
Third rounder - 100 games
Fourth + rounder - 50 games
Rookie - 25 games

Intangibles also come into play for me. Character, leadership (not necessarily capt), professionalism etc

I think this is a fairly good guideline to follow. As well as players taken in a similar range. There are always guys like Robbie Grey #55 who slip past everybody and it's not a fair judgment if there's a total unknown player, injury, player flaws etc.
2018 Draft had a great top end. You would have to say at the moment that Rozee at #5 looks to be a bad call with Ben King, Bailey Smith and Tarryn Thomas still available.

1​	Carlton​	Sam Walsh​	64​
2​	Gold Coast​	Jack Lukosius​	64​
3​	Gold Coast​	Izak Rankine​	32​
4​	St Kilda​	Max King​	42​
5​	Port Adelaide​	Connor Rozee​	63​
6​	Gold Coast​	Ben King​	53​
7​	Western Bulldogs​	Bailey Smith​	70​
8​	North Melbourne​	Tarryn Thomas (Academy)​	49​

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Bailey Smith

3

Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

apparently made it very clear interstate clubs shouldn’t draft him.

And North would’ve matched a bid on Thomas.

 

[juddy_Like]

I think this is a fairly good guideline to follow. As well as players taken in a similar range. There are always guys like Robbie Grey #55 who slip past everybody and it's not a fair judgment if there's a total unknown player, injury, player flaws etc.
2018 Draft had a great top end. You would have to say at the moment that Rozee at #5 looks to be a bad call with Ben King, Bailey Smith and Tarryn Thomas still available.

1​	Carlton​	Sam Walsh​	64​
2​	Gold Coast​	Jack Lukosius​	64​
3​	Gold Coast​	Izak Rankine​	32​
4​	St Kilda​	Max King​	42​
5​	Port Adelaide​	Connor Rozee​	63​
6​	Gold Coast​	Ben King​	53​
7​	Western Bulldogs​	Bailey Smith​	70​
8​	North Melbourne​	Tarryn Thomas (Academy)​	49​

Wasn't too long ago many had Rozee as a toss up for 1.

The kid is quality, just going through a bad patch right now.

 

[dinnaz]

Bailey Smith apparently made it very clear interstate clubs shouldn’t draft him.

And North would’ve matched a bid on Thomas.

So lets take Polak > Judd then right

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

So lets take Polak > Judd then right

I don’t see the link. Did Judd make it clear interstate clubs shouldn’t draft him?

 

[dinnaz]

Wasn't too long ago many had Rozee as a toss up for 1.

The kid is quality, just going through a bad patch right now.

He's always been that highlight player that drifts in and out of games. No doubt quality in front of goals but Walsh, King, King, Smith are clearly influencing every game every week and are a whole class above.

 

[dinnaz]

I don’t see the link. Did Judd make it clear interstate clubs shouldn’t draft him?

He told Worsfold straight up he didn't want to move to WA pre-draft. It's a draft not a pre-school

 

[Godfather32]

I don’t see the link. Did Judd make it clear interstate clubs shouldn’t draft him?

Heard his mum wrote and performed a song to all the interstate recruiters "Don't draft my son, campaigners"

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

He told Worsfold straight up he didn't want to move to WA pre-draft. It's a draft not a pre-school

Source?

 

[ROO DOGG]

Tanner Bruhn from GWS is 2nd year out of contract mid that cant get a go in the midfield due to so much talent .

Eagles supporter , lived in Perth before and is very good mates with chesser .

Recon if we convinced him to come to us we could get him with one of our 2nd rounders .

Please West Coast make this happen

 

[dinnaz]

Source?

When they inducted him to the hall of fame there was a video with an interview with both Judd & Worsfold saying the same thing. No 18 yr old wants to move interstate so I wouldnt care about go home factor unless i'm Brisbane GWS or Gold Coast.