List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Trav22]

Hewitt projecting between 3 and slidding to 10ish.

Similar range as D'Aloia the SA u18 captain. Decent Plan B from pick 6 > 10?

Two very capable inside extractors. D'Aloia reads like an Eagles recruit, low ager, good character etc. He's a big solid unit.

Others in that 6 to 10 range. Kobe Ryan another who suits our needs. Broadbent, Tsatas, Hollands.

Can see him to continue to slide if he doesn’t tidy up his kicking.

Not against picking up Hewitt, but would be reluctant to use a early pick at this stage in time.

He will play early next year due to him being such a big unit.
Just hope our recruiters don’t jump on him early because he dominates at the champs due to his size

 

[Obeanie1]

100% agree. We should not be touching any player who doesn't have sound foot and hand skills. Powell Pepper gets a lot of ball but he's shit because his disposal is poor. Every time a player with poor disposal gets the ball there is an opportunity cost.

Whats the opportunity cost of not getting the ball at all? And not stopping an opponent whenthey have it?

SPP is a blunt tool but in the heat of finals you dont have time to be perfect. Dane Swan was pretty rough around the edges with his kicking.

 

[Boots73]

They may have had limited (very limited) value but ffs Nisbett needs to stop commenting on list management on the radio.

Just erodes any potential value every time

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Would really like Nizzy to depart seasons end along with fitness and conditioning staff.Anyone who’s has been part of list management/recruiters the last few years.
Time for new blood to with fresh ideas to lead us through this new rebuild

 

[kane249]

Will Ashcroft doing well in the VFL.

No brainer to choose him with our pick, even if it means forcing Brisbane to match and we end up choosing someone else.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

has 3 more years after this year on big coin .

He is our des headland

Des Headland

Age

43

Ht

186cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

.

Seriously the bloke looks like he can't be bothered especially when he is required to run back defensively.

Someone like redden who is on 1 year contracts , is 30+ busts an absolute gut and is probably on half the $ .

 

[Chump Change]

Whats the opportunity cost of not getting the ball at all? And not stopping an opponent whenthey have it?

SPP is a blunt tool but in the heat of finals you dont have time to be perfect. Dane Swan was pretty rough around the edges with his kicking.

It doesn't work like that.

I don't know SPP numbers this year so lets use Tom Mitchell as an example. If you take his 35 possessions out of the game, it's not like 35 possessions are lost.

The opportunity cost of a player who gets 35 touches every week but butchers the ball, is a player who gets 25 touches each week but makes better decisions and hits targets.

Tom Libertore is the perfect example. He's not Cripps/Dusty bull type, but he's inside. He maybe gets 20 possessions per game. He plays his role for the team. But as soon as he starts getting 35 touches (he doesn't because he plays his role) - there's a problem because there's an opportunity cost. You want Bont, McCrae, Daniel getting those 15 touches rather than Libba.

It's why Rosa and Priddis divided people - people understood that 15 of their possessions were better off in another player's hands. When Rosa gets 40, we're doomed.

 

[Chump Change]

Tim Kelly has 3 more years after this year on big coin .

He is our des headland .

Seriously the bloke looks like he can't be bothered especially when he is required to run back defensively.

Someone like redden who is on 1 year contracts , is 30+ busts an absolute gut and is probably on half the $ .

Kelly is the epitome of a player who looks a million bucks in a top 4 side but can't get consistency in middle or lower tier side. He'd be an a-grader at Freo or Swans. B-grader with us.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

If we are going to rebuild then Simpson needs to go for the pure fact he is on such a high salary .

He is on premiership coach wages and when your coaching staff is under the soft cap having such a high paid senior coach will be costing the club 3-4 development coaches/staff during a rebuild

 

[kane249]

If we are going to rebuild then Simpson needs to go for the pure fact he is on such a high salary .

He is on premiership coach wages and when your coaching staff is under the soft cap having such a high paid senior coach will be costing the club 3-4 development coaches/staff during a rebuild

If we sack him then payout comes from the soft cap and will hinder us making replacements anyway

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

If we sack him then payout comes from the soft cap and will hinder us making replacements anyway

I though we would only have to pay him out until the end of the season ?

Have knights or Schofield coach until then

 

[Carbine Chaos]

People are obsessing too much on the WA talent with our early picks.

Let's wait until the Champs are done and we'll have a clearer picture of the flankers talent nation-wide.

 

[jaxxon]

If we sack him then payout comes from the soft cap and will hinder us making replacements anyway

If they do decide to sack him, I'd be happy to pay the tax for going over the soft cap. We can't do this for another season.

 

[Tugga27]

I though we would only have to pay him out until the end of the season ?

Have knights or Schofield coach until then

How do you figure that out?

He's contracted until the end of 2024.

 

[Tugga27]

If they do decide to sack him, I'd be happy to pay the tax for going over the soft cap. We can't do this for another season.

The club isn't going to pay 2 million plus and then hire another coach.
The soft cap wold be decimated.

 

[Chump Change]

The club isn't going to pay 2 million plus and then hire another coach.
The soft cap wold be decimated.

Usually the board members who were strong in signing such a coach are pressured by other board members to fall on their swords. But I get the feel we have a bit of a gentleman's club. I don't follow what goes on at board level.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Will Ashcroft doing well in the VFL.

No brainer to choose him with our pick, even if it means forcing Brisbane to match and we end up choosing someone else.

100% he's pick 1 for mine by some way.
Had a slow start in first game this season but has been dominant since and is starting to put together a Diacos like performances.
Dominant VFL performances, shows his class and the clear number 1.
We'd be negligent if we didn't make Brisbane match at pick 1 .

 

[jaxxon]

The club isn't going to pay 2 million plus and then hire another coach.
The soft cap wold be decimated.

Hence the tax for paying over.

 

[Tugga27]

Hence the tax for paying over.

Ain't going to happen.

 

[Convocation]

Ain't going to happen.

Can anyone explain to me why the club (according to media reports) that has significant funds ($80M) in the bank are not willing to pay over the soft cap, and hence pay the tax.
Its arguable that the Eagles have not dealt with the cutting of soft cap/resources in comparison to others.
Are we putting profit before people?
Why don't we bite the bullet and give the team the best resources (development staff, fitness staff, welfare offices, coaches, recruiting staff etc) money can buy, as West Coast will always be wealthy.

 

[timeforanother22]

Can anyone explain to me why the club (according to media reports) that has significant funds ($80M) in the bank are not willing to pay over the soft cap, and hence pay the tax.
Its arguable that the Eagles have not dealt with the cutting of soft cap/resources in comparison to others.
Are we putting profit before people?
Why don't we bite the bullet and give the team the best resources (development staff, fitness staff, welfare offices, coaches, recruiting staff etc) money can buy, as West Coast will always be wealthy.

Even if it is not what they want to do as a rule, in our situation now we should be breaking glass on the cash.
support staff medical, fitness, development all well below standards atm.

I even shudder at the surgeons they have used for the ankles this year. Will be interesting to see if they come back ok. I know at least one has had a return surgery.

 

[Obeanie1]

If we sack him then payout comes from the soft cap and will hinder us making replacements anyway

Pretty sure all coaches contracts now all have a $600k max payout clause brought in by the AFL.

So you can move the coach and not ruin the soft cap. Any coach.

 

[Obeanie1]

How do you figure that out?

He's contracted until the end of 2024.

AFL brought in max payout clauses. For AFL funded clubs. But does that include West Coast?

AFL insists on six-month payout clauses for coaches

New guidelines to AFL-funded clubs limits payouts regardless of the length of contracts. But the coaches' association believes it gives incompetent boards a ''get-out-of-jail-free'' card.

www.theage.com.au

 

[WCErevival]

Kelly is the epitome of a player who looks a million bucks in a top 4 side but can't get consistency in middle or lower tier side. He'd be an a-grader at Freo or Swans. B-grader with us.

Kerr looked terrible for us when he had no support around him. Its the same for Kelly.

 

[Obeanie1]

We should go hard at the mid season draft to get a look at players of interest?

With our large injury list and rebuild needed we should look atmoving 2 or 3 other players onto the inactive list imo. Bite the bullet and dont risk them coming back underdone and stuffing up their preseason. Open up 2 or 3 spots early and bring in 2 or 3 more players worth looking at. One might just show enough to stay on the list next year.

Some clubs have no spots to use so lets get some advantage out of this shambles in 2022.

 

[Tugga27]

AFL brought in max payout clauses. For AFL funded clubs. But does that include West Coast?

AFL insists on six-month payout clauses for coaches

New guidelines to AFL-funded clubs limits payouts regardless of the length of contracts. But the coaches' association believes it gives incompetent boards a ''get-out-of-jail-free'' card.

www.theage.com.au

Nope.