List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[briztoon]

Whats the opportunity cost of not getting the ball at all? And not stopping an opponent whenthey have it?

SPP is a blunt tool but in the heat of finals you dont have time to be perfect. Dane Swan was pretty rough around the edges with his kicking.

SPP wasn’t drafted top 5.

You’re hoping for a Sam Walsh, Matt Rowell or Andy Brayshaw type mid with a top 5 pick.

You can find SPP or Deven Robertson type mids at the end of the first round or early second round.

 

[WCE_Talk]

PMBangers still loves Wardlaw and he seemingly knows his shit. I’m actually looking forward to the State Championships more than our own games atm.

I like Wardlaw too, but I definitely don’t love him, I do hope a couple guys can seperate themselves from the pack though, if they don’t, splitting the pick should be a consideration


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[WCE_phil]

I like Wardlaw too, but I definitely don’t love him, I do hope a couple guys can seperate themselves from the pack though, if they don’t, splitting the pick should be a consideration


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If wardlaw was 188cm instead of 182cm he would almost certainly be considered a consensus number 1 pick. But as players seem to be getting bigger and bigger he is very small for an inside mid and already quite physically developed. It's why I don't have him in my top 3.

 

[Chump Change]

How good is his disposal?

 

[bzparkes]

If wardlaw was 188cm instead of 182cm he would almost certainly be considered a consensus number 1 pick. But as players seem to be getting bigger and bigger he is very small for an inside mid and already quite physically developed. It's why I don't have him in my top 3.

Lachie Neale is only 177cm, he goes alright.

 

[WCE_phil]

Lachie Neale is only 177cm, he goes alright.

Neale is 178 and 85 kg's. But small mids like that are now the exception, not the rule. Neale is also to my mind a much more balanced player than Wardlaw who is more the bull at a gate inside mid. It's why I think his size could lead to less impact at AFL level or injuries.

I still rate Wardlaw highly but it is my worry on how his game will transition at the next level.

 

[briztoon]

If wardlaw was 188cm instead of 182cm he would almost certainly be considered a consensus number 1 pick. But as players seem to be getting bigger and bigger he is very small for an inside mid and already quite physically developed. It's why I don't have him in my top 3.

Lachie Neale is only 177cm, he goes alright.

Not trying to stir sh!t with this response, but I believe if you’re truly bottoming out, and this is not a one off covid affected season, then you’re going to be picking in the top 5 of the draft for 3 to 5 seasons. (And it’s better to be bottoming out now, before a Tassie team is introduced).

In modern footy, few teams bottom out for only a couple of seasons, and then climb back up rapidly, not without adding significant free agent talent.

If there isn’t a big fashionable type mid, that’s just the luck of the draw, so to speak.

Take the best available at your first pick, and look to your second round picks to fit needs.

My personal opinion is don’t look at splitting your first pick at the beginning of a rebuild, wait until you have some elite talent in the door, then in 3 or 4 drafts, you can look at splitting an early pick if there’s the opportunity.

And Jackson will be hitting his unrestricted free agency shortly after.

 

[archiemoses]

I wouldn't put it past our recruiters to put our first up for Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

.


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[WCErevival]

I wouldn't put it past our recruiters to put our first up for Luke Jackson.


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Are we allowed to trade our first this year?

 

[bzparkes]

I wouldn't put it past our recruiters to put our first up for Luke Jackson.


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Except they can't.

 

[WCE_phil]

Except they can't.

They can either with approval from the AFL (if the AFL are rational about it due to Jackson's age and output it would be approved)
Or we just need to acquire another first rounder to use.

 

[bzparkes]

They can either with approval from the AFL (if the AFL are rational about it due to Jackson's age and output it would be approved)
Or we just need to acquire another first rounder to use.

Very much doubt either will happen and Nisbett's already stated we're going to the draft.

Hopefully Jamieson builds on last night's game anyway and becomes a solid option as a successor to NN.

 

[Obeanie1]

SPP wasn’t drafted top 5.

You’re hoping for a Sam Walsh, Matt Rowell or Andy Brayshaw type mid with a top 5 pick.

You can find SPP or Deven Robertson type mids at the end of the first round or early second round.

Im highlighting that the ability to actually get the ball shouldnt be underestimated.

Especially when the pressure is on.

And you dont need perfect disposal to be effective and damaging.

 

[briztoon]

Im highlighting that the ability to actually get the ball shouldnt be underestimated.

Especially when the pressure is on.

And you dont need perfect disposal to be effective and damaging.

Getting fed the ball on the outside or getting the hard ball on the inside?

 

[WCE_phil]

Not trying to stir sh!t with this response, but I believe if you’re truly bottoming out, and this is not a one off covid affected season, then you’re going to be picking in the top 5 of the draft for 3 to 5 seasons. (And it’s better to be bottoming out now, before a Tassie team is introduced).

In modern footy, few teams bottom out for only a couple of seasons, and then climb back up rapidly, not without adding significant free agent talent.

If there isn’t a big fashionable type mid, that’s just the luck of the draw, so to speak.

Take the best available at your first pick, and look to your second round picks to fit needs.

My personal opinion is don’t look at splitting your first pick at the beginning of a rebuild, wait until you have some elite talent in the door, then in 3 or 4 drafts, you can look at splitting an early pick if there’s the opportunity.

And Jackson will be hitting his unrestricted free agency shortly after.

If he continues the season the way he is going I would draft Scully at Pick 1. Reminds me of Paul Salmon. More of a stay at home forward who can ruck rather than a lead up CHF like Lemmey.

I wonder if we do finish last if an agreement with you guys could be made in trading based on us not nominating Ashcroft. As that in itself would save you 300 odd points in itself.

I unlike a few others really rate the tall talent of this draft and outside of Ashcroft don't see a genuine superstar midfielder at this stage. The closest for me is Sheezel if he starts showing more midfield prowess. To me all the best mids look to me to be a tier below absolute elite talent. The season, champs and particularly how players perform after the champs will shape the draft but this is just how I see it now.

So to me there are 5 genuine elite talents. 2 likely don't go near top 5. Lemmey, Scully, Ashcroft, Sheezel and Keeler.

 

[Obeanie1]

Getting fed the ball on the outside or getting the hard ball on the inside?

Both.

Dane Swan wasnt pretty but he ran all day and was effective. Sometimes skillfully and other times throgh desperate luck.

Dustin Martin is the same, moments of brilliance and sometimes just brute power driving the ball 10m further than anyone else can. Snapping a mongrel punt truely.

 

[Mulldogg]

PMBangers still loves Wardlaw and he seemingly knows his shit. I’m actually looking forward to the State Championships more than our own games atm.

Likewise. Though a shame to see that both our U16 and U18 squads do not get a single game here in WA.

WA U16s are hosting Vic Metro in Adelaide…about as close as a team gets to the Nullarbor.

Shame because it was good to get down to the U19s game at Lathlain last year and have a look at the likes of Amiss, J. Williams, Hough, Sheldrick et al against the best from SA.

 

[WCE_Talk]

If he continues the season the way he is going I would draft Scully at Pick 1. Reminds me of Paul Salmon. More of a stay at home forward who can ruck rather than a lead up CHF like Lemmey.

I wonder if we do finish last if an agreement with you guys could be made in trading based on us not nominating Ashcroft. As that in itself would save you 300 odd points in itself.

I unlike a few others really rate the tall talent of this draft and outside of Ashcroft don't see a genuine superstar midfielder at this stage. The closest for me is Sheezel if he starts showing more midfield prowess. To me all the best mids look to me to be a tier below absolute elite talent. The season, champs and particularly how players perform after the champs will shape the draft but this is just how I see it now.

So to me there are 5 genuine elite talents. 2 likely don't go near top 5. Lemmey, Scully, Ashcroft, Sheezel and Keeler.

Sheezel will be a box office star, his game will translate very well.

I agree with you regarding the key forwards this draft, getting Oscar a long term partner in Scully or Lemmey is something I’d definitely be looking at.


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[briztoon]

Both.

Dane Swan wasnt pretty but he ran all day and was effective. Sometimes skillfully and other times throgh desperate luck.

Dustin Martin is the same, moments of brilliance and sometimes just brute power driving the ball 10m further than anyone else can. Snapping a mongrel punt truely.

I just wouldn’t be writing Wardlaw off as a top draft prospect. I know the guys (it’s not just eDPS) at RMC all rate him highly, and have done so since last year.

He’s taller/bigger than Ashcroft.

You look at someone like Andy Brayshaw, who everyone thought was very “vanilla”, but is the driving force of the Dockers midfield.

Or Ben Hobbs, who is the same size as Wardlaw, being the driving force behind Essendon in that last quarter win over the Hawks. And Wardlaw is more highly regarded than what Hobbs was (who was rated as a top 5 prospect by many last year).

 

[briztoon]

Long term, if you’re looking for a future ruck, it’s worth following WA kid, Kalin Lane in our (the Lions) reserves.

He’s really come on in the past 12 months, and is looking really good, being the number 1 ruck, while we’re playing two rucks at in the seniors.

 

[Godfather32]

Sheezel will be a box office star, his game will translate very well.

I agree with you regarding the key forwards this draft, getting Oscar a long term partner in Scully or Lemmey is something I’d definitely be looking at.


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Jack Williams will be Allen's future partner in the forward line.
However we need someone to kick it to them. Several someone's in fact.

 

[MrWoollie]

Not trying to stir sh!t with this response, but I believe if you’re truly bottoming out, and this is not a one off covid affected season, then you’re going to be picking in the top 5 of the draft for 3 to 5 seasons. (And it’s better to be bottoming out now, before a Tassie team is introduced).

Not wrong about the timing of when you bottom out.
Last time we bottomed out was during the introduction of GC and then GWS.
Our wooden spoon netted us pick 4 then a priority pick at 26. GC had so many high picks (8 of the first 13) that everyone else slid in the draft, affecting everyone but having the greatest effect on the bottom teams.

When the draft is absolutely pillaged for a few years and you don't have access to the top talent and your picks slide dramatically, it effects your list for the next 10 years.

 

[WCE_Talk]

Jack Williams will be Allen's future partner in the forward line.
However we need someone to kick it to them. Several someone's in fact.

I’d love for Jack Williams to come on, he has been pretty solid in the WAFL so far. I wouldn’t be banking on him to become an elite key forward though


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[Wedgetailed Westerner]

I’d love for Jack Williams to come on, he has been pretty solid in the WAFL so far. I wouldn’t be banking on him to become an elite key forward though


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He is only 18 and playing on men and kicking a couple of goals a game. In my mind that is impressive. There is no reason why he can't progress to that next level.

 

[dinnaz]

He is only 18 and playing on men and kicking a couple of goals a game. In my mind that is impressive. There is no reason why he can't progress to that next level.

Whats the next level for him?
He is largely doing what he did last year as an 18 yr old, couple of goals a game + lead up the ground + take a few ruck contests.
He"ll never have the pace, or reach to truly 1 up the competition week in week out.
Im thinking most effectively he can be a bit like a Hawkins like stay at home fwd where his strengh 1on1 is a main weapon. A real finisher.
Means we still ideally need to find a real mobile key fwd/3rd tall.