List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

You just got rid of almost every one of our small forwards.

Cuts don't need to be that deep. Jones could stay, as could probably Treacy.

Hutch might be worthwhile keep just for depth.

Well the rumour is their will be no rookie list so 4 less spots .
We would still have cripps Ryan cameron petrecelle and maybe rioli. So getting rid of everyone of our small fowards seems a hyperbole
I also posted to pick up some mature players which could include small forwards

Jones doesn't even have a spot atm. He is a supplemental rookie so we would have to cut an extra spot.

Reid is just not afl standard and treacy for a mature rookie doesn't even look close to getting a game .

Keeping injury prone players who are not that good in the first place seems a risk with smaller list sizes .

Hutch body is falling apart this is the third time in 2 years he has pinged a hammy early in a game and left us short on the field . I love hutch and he will forever be remembered for his 2018 season but is a liability with ball in hand and I think we could bring someone younger in who will help us with the next phase .

Why not? You’re dropping 10 players in your post...

Well we have 45 players and we will need to get down to 40 in the new list sizes .

We have to cut 5 just to get down to list size.

So cutting 10 would leave 3 national draft picks and 2 mature players traded in .

 

[FreeTK]

Well the rumour is their will be no rookie list so 4 less spots .
We would still have cripps Ryan cameron petrecelle and maybe rioli. So getting rid of everyone of our small fowards seems a hyperbole
I also posted to pick up some mature players which could include small forwards

Jones doesn't even have a spot atm. He is a supplemental rookie so we would have to cut an extra spot.

Reid is just not afl standard and treacy for a mature rookie doesn't even look close to getting a game .

Keeping injury prone players who are not that good in the first place seems a risk with smaller list sizes .

Hutch body is falling apart this is the third time in 2 years he has pinged a hammy early in a game and left us short on the field . I love hutch and he will forever be remembered for his 2018 season but is a liability with ball in hand and I think we could bring someone younger in who will help us with the next phase .
Well we have 45 players and we will need to get down to 40 in the new list sizes .

We have to cut 5 just to get down to list size.

So cutting 10 would leave 3 national draft picks and 2 mature players traded in .

It feels like you have just ranked our list from best to worst on ability and lobbed off the last few names on the list. It needs to be more strategic than that.

The cuts won't be that deep. Lions have 41 contracted for next year, I think Suns are at 48 contracted for next year with their extended 10 spot rookie list. Rumours are that list sizes will largely remain the same, perhaps rookies will be reduced to two.

Jones was in the team before he got injured.

Having only Ryan, Cameron Petch and Cripps does not a small forward line make. All 4 of them would be in the starting 22 if they were all fit, available and in form. We have seen this year that you need players outside your B22 in case of injury/availability issues.

I would keep Jones on the rookie list. If we really believe Harry Edwards is going to make, we should upgrade him to the main list. Tough calls on Ainsworth. Most would like to see him gone, I tend to think the club will offer him a new contract, perhaps just a one year deal.

My cuts would be:

Vardy - Hickey contracted for 2021 and Williams is developing nicely. Over supply of rucks with Jamieson also on the rookie list.
Brayshaw - Seems to be at the bottom of the pile, Ainsworth and XON have gone past him
Schofield - lucky to get one year deal - It was a Beagles mentoring role. Not Beagles = No Schofield)
Venables - retired
Watson - surplus of HB flankers
Reid - Simply not AFL standard.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

It feels like you have just ranked our list from best to worst on ability and lobbed off the last few names on the list. It needs to be more strategic than that.

The cuts won't be that deep. Lions have 41 contracted for next year, I think Suns are at 48 contracted for next year with their extended 10 spot rookie list. Rumours are that list sizes will largely remain the same, perhaps rookies will be reduced to two.

Jones was in the team before he got injured.

Having only Ryan, Cameron Petch and Cripps does not a small forward line make. All 4 of them would be in the starting 22 if they were all fit, available and in form. We have seen this year that you need players outside your B22 in case of injury/availability issues.

I would keep Jones on the rookie list. If we really believe Harry Edwards is going to make, we should upgrade him to the main list. Tough calls on Ainsworth. Most would like to see him gone, I tend to think the club will offer him a new contract, perhaps just a one year deal.

My cuts would be:

Vardy - Hickey contracted for 2021 and Williams is developing nicely. Over supply of rucks with Jamieson also on the rookie list.
Brayshaw - Seems to be at the bottom of the pile, Ainsworth and XON have gone past him
Schofield - lucky to get one year deal - It was a Beagles mentoring role. Not Beagles = No Schofield)
Venables - retired
Watson - surplus of HB flankers
Reid - Simply not AFL standard.

I think you are being too sentimental with average players .
It will be jettas last year . Doesn't look remotely interested.
Hutch will be 30 next year and can't get on the park . It's not like he is a gun .

We have a lot of 28 year + players and a lot of under 22 year players . We will be getting 3 18 year olds at the draft .

We need to start turning over these older guys now and we have a bit of a gap from 23-27 years on our list .

Players over 28
Hurn schoey Kennedy jetta hutch cripps darling vardy hickey Sheppard shuey McGovern natanui redden

This year it needs to be 4 of the above - schoey jetta hutch and vardy non are best 22 anymore

Next year Kennedy hurn and hickey .

This year is the perfect year to have a bigger than normal list cut and try bring in some 20-25 year old established players who have some assets we can use and have shown they can complete at AFL level .

 

[Tugga27]

Nope.

Contracted until 2022.

 

[FreeTK]

I think you are being too sentimental with average players .
It will be jettas last year . Doesn't look remotely interested.
Hutch will be 30 next year and can't get on the park . It's not like he is a gun .

We have a lot of 28 year + players and a lot of under 22 year players . We will be getting 3 18 year olds at the draft .

We need to start turning over these older guys now and we have a bit of a gap from 23-27 years on our list .

Players over 28
Hurn schoey Kennedy jetta hutch cripps darling vardy hickey Sheppard shuey McGovern natanui redden

This year it needs to be 4 of the above - schoey jetta hutch and vardy non are best 22 anymore

Next year Kennedy hurn and hickey .

This year is the perfect year to have a bigger than normal list cut and try bring in some 20-25 year old established players who have some assets we can use and have shown they can complete at AFL level .

You can't just gut your list in one go.

It is a recipe for years of mediocrity.

I agree with you on Jetta, he could be put out to pasture at the end of this year.

From you list probably Shoey, Jetta and Vardy get moved on.

I'm not a huge fan of Hutch, but he probably gets another year. Hurn and Kennedy are closing in on going around again. Hurn probably takes over from Schoey as depth/mentoring. The others you mention are contracted.

 

[Duggo81]

Why we don't ever rookie list a mature player like a Jye Bolton is beyond me. He can play at the next level will he be an A grader no but does he provide good depth if injuries happen you bet. Much rather him in the guts than 2 20 year olds with weak bodies especially considering we are contending.

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[Dark Sharks]

I'd be giving treacy and jones another year


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Must be a reason why the bloke is never mentioned and has never gotten a look into being selected despite us having MAJOR small forward issues all year.


Gone baby gone is my guess.


Which is dumb considering there must have been a reason why we selected him in the first place. To delist him without giving him a crack is harsh.

 

[squashface]

Why we don't ever rookie list a mature player like a Jye Bolton is beyond me. He can play at the next level will he be an A grader no but does he provide good depth if injuries happen you bet. Much rather him in the guts than 2 20 year olds with weak bodies especially considering we are contending.

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Thanks for your input, Jye.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

You can't just gut your list in one go.

It is a recipe for years of mediocrity.

I agree with you on Jetta, he could be put out to pasture at the end of this year.

From you list probably Shoey, Jetta and Vardy get moved on.

I'm not a huge fan of Hutch, but he probably gets another year. Hurn and Kennedy are closing in on going around again. Hurn probably takes over from Schoey as depth/mentoring. The others you mention are contracted.

It's hardly gutting the list .

Schoey and jetta retire
Hutch and vardy arnt even best 22 or the first depth player for their position .

The others Reid and Jones were supplemental rookies . Every club over looked them . We bought them in as back up
Brayshaw got a rookie lifeline last year and still hadn't played a game even though he is fit .
Treacy is 23 and doesnt look good fit enough to get a game .

There are some good young guys on the edge of team's best 22 which would complement our list nicely

Narkle, Hayden UFA ,markov, lonie, luke English

We don't have any good picks of much salary cap but that doesn't stop us from improving our list .

We may not improve it at the top end but we can improve the best 20-30 on the list

 

[bUCKET__]

If the list sizes do take a hit, there'll be a lot of unlucky blokes across the league missing out on contracts. In which case, the chances improve that someone we were keen on becomes available later in the draft.

Add that to the lack of exposed form for Vic u18s, and it's going to be really interesting to see what we do with our picks.

 

[ziad]

If the list sizes do take a hit, there'll be a lot of unlucky blokes across the league missing out on contracts. In which case, the chances improve that someone we were keen on becomes available later in the draft.

Add that to the lack of exposed form for Vic u18s, and it's going to be really interesting to see what we do with our picks.

Its an ill wind that doesn't blow a smart club some good. I believe we are smart.
With our mid depth being smashed wasnt it smart to get Kelly!

 

[mattyc75]

Must be a reason why the bloke is never mentioned and has never gotten a look into being selected despite us having MAJOR small forward issues all year.


Gone baby gone is my guess.


Which is dumb considering there must have been a reason why we selected him in the first place. To delist him without giving him a crack is harsh.

I tend to agree re treacy but like you i believe theres a reason they plucked him from nowhere.maybe they were just ruing missing getting kelly,pickett,stack and ryan on the cheap and took a punt on a bit of potential?
Jones was doing well before his injury so should stay

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[THE A5]

We’ve been ultra competitive over this time period but I’d wish we’d have had a lot more that 11 tbh

 

[RookiePick]

...Williams will be a third year ruckman next year - best ruckman in his draft, apparently. There have been plenty of teams who have played entire seasons with third year premium rucks.

plenty of bottom 4 teams you mean?

 

[FKASC]

plenty of bottom 4 teams you mean?

Meh.

Naitanui played in a prelim in his third year, Cox played in an elimination final.

Rowan Marshall’s in his 4th year currently.

Look I’m not suggesting he should carry the side for a whole year but do we really need so many back up rucks?

 

[FKASC]

We’ve been ultra competitive over this time period but I’d wish we’d have had a lot more that 11 tbh

Given we won the same number of flags as WB it’s pretty cray.

 

[southjoy]

Well we have Xavier O'Neal who looks very promising as a balanced inside/outside mid .
Foley who when drafted was put back to the HBF in his first year is now playing wing quite well . Could be that outside midfield runner depth we need .

The unfortunate thing about finishing high on the ladder and then trading our top picks is you don't have access to talented rookies who can come in and have an impact.

Instead we pick guys who have some good attributes but then need to develop and learn the other stuff .

Look at rotham . In the u18s carnival he was AA on the HBF but very skinny and raw .
No way he could reproduce that against men in the afl without more than a couple of preseasons in the gym to put the size on he needed to complete. If he was already 90kgs in his draft year he would have gone top 10 . But we got him for pick 36

I actually agree that we have drafted, traded very well and yes guys like Rotham Brander and XOn are hopefully going to be very good players for the club.

My point was more that because of the success of the club over the years and also us trading very heavily for Kelly that we need to get a little luck with drafting some older players who have taken time to realise that they can be quality AFL players.

Now the time may be beyond some of these players but good examples would be
Jye Bolton
Shane Nelson
Haiden Schloithe
Kyal Horsely
Aaron Black
Lachlan Delahunty
Marlon Pickett

and these are just from WAFL let alone the VFL
I can think of two Sandover winners who became outstanding AFL players Matt Priddis and as much as i can't stand this player Hayden Ballantyne

 

[mattyc75]

I actually agree that we have drafted, traded very well and yes guys like Rotham Brander and XOn are hopefully going to be very good players for the club.

My point was more that because of the success of the club over the years and also us trading very heavily for Kelly that we need to get a little luck with drafting some older players who have taken time to realise that they can be quality AFL players.

Now the time may be beyond some of these players but good examples would be
Jye Bolton
Shane Nelson
Haiden Schloithe
Kyal Horsely
Aaron Black
Lachlan Delahunty
Marlon Pickett

and these are just from WAFL let alone the VFL
I can think of two Sandover winners who became outstanding AFL players Matt Priddis and as much as i can't stand this player Hayden Ballantyne

Youd have to think that with reduced list sizes team would have to get more experienced back ups. They wont have the luxury of having too many developing youngsters who couldnt physically handle a game if there was a few injuries

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[Obeanie1]

I think you are being too sentimental with average players .
It will be jettas last year . Doesn't look remotely interested.
Hutch will be 30 next year and can't get on the park . It's not like he is a gun .

We have a lot of 28 year + players and a lot of under 22 year players . We will be getting 3 18 year olds at the draft .

We need to start turning over these older guys now and we have a bit of a gap from 23-27 years on our list .

Players over 28
Hurn schoey Kennedy jetta hutch cripps darling vardy hickey Sheppard shuey McGovern natanui redden

This year it needs to be 4 of the above - schoey jetta hutch and vardy non are best 22 anymore

Next year Kennedy hurn and hickey .

This year is the perfect year to have a bigger than normal list cut and try bring in some 20-25 year old established players who have some assets we can use and have shown they can complete at AFL level .

If you are a fringe player or rookie who cant get on the park they are the first.

Vardy, Jones, Treacy, Hutchings and Venables all tick that box.

Schofield and Jetta age wise and attitude wise should also retire. Then there is Willie who we would hope to have an answer on before the draft / end of free agency periods.

Feel Brayshaw and Reid should also be moved on.

The rookie list will only come down by two for 2021 Imo.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

If you are a fringe player or rookie who cant get on the park they are the first.

Vardy, Jones, Treacy, Hutchings and Venables all tick that box.

Schofield and Jetta age wise and attitude wise should also retire. Then there is Willie who we would hope to have an answer on before the draft / end of free agency periods.

Feel Brayshaw and Reid should also be moved on.

The rookie list will only come down by two for 2021 Imo.

I've been hearing the list sizes will be reduced by 4 but the cat B restrictions will be eased for clubs NGA members to be put on .
This wouldnt be compulsory but if the clubs choose to do it it's on them financially.

 

[Doashuey]

Meh.

Naitanui played in a prelim in his third year, Cox played in an elimination final.

Rowan Marshall’s in his 4th year currently.

Look I’m not suggesting he should carry the side for a whole year but do we really need so many back up rucks?

Naitanui and Cox werent your run of the mill ruckmen but were they? Cox is GOAT and NN a once in a generation type player. HAving Judd Cousins and Kerr in the engine room probably helped a bit too.

 

[ziad]

Naitanui and Cox werent your run of the mill ruckmen but were they? Cox is GOAT and NN a once in a generation type player. HAving Judd Cousins and Kerr in the engine room probably helped a bit too.

You are probably redefining probably

 

[Karim Abdul Yeo]

Geelong's Quinton Narkle open for a trade. Worth a crack. Midfielder only 22.

 

[Chris_6678]

Geelong's Quinton Narkle open for a trade. Worth a crack. Midfielder only 22.

Says he wants to stay in Melbourne.

I would be getting into the ear of these players and mentioning how much better it will be over in Perth for Pre-season and 2021.

I have noticed the AFL is putting some big restrictions for AFL players that stay over in Queensland over the off season to prevent any dramas happening. This is a recipe for disaster and many will get restless.

 

[Mulldogg]