Review Dees v Brad's Bombers: the Good, Bad & Ugly

[Johnny Karate]

Look I know you blokes love meming s**t up and saying I hate Oliver port Adelaide etc. But if you look at Oliver's games

33, 37, 25, 34 and 41 disposals. His 25 disposal game was a ******* country mile better than the others. One of the best games I've ever seen him play. When we start playing s**t he goes into this mode of I need to win every single stoppage and get 40 disposals. The 2 games he had 37 and 41 were huge losses where he didn't do that much in. I call it selfish because it seems like instead of our midfield working as a team it becomes about him doing it alone to the point he gets it and slams it on a boot while being tackle and it goes straight up in the air. He's better than that, he can link play and kick the ball, he's quick. But he reverts to a Tom Mitchell style disposal padder when we are playing s**t. If that's me hating him, so be it.

In 2018, early in the season, he would occasionally rest forward. I know his shoulders have copped a battering since but surely when he’s getting ****ing scragged, putting him one out in the forward 50 with Setterfield should be a possible move?

 

[Topkent]

Tulip if you're waiting on a Jordan apology, im happy to wait for a Petty apology

 

[Topkent]

In 2018, early in the season, he would occasionally rest forward. I know his shoulders have copped a battering since but surely when he’s getting ******* scragged, putting him one out in the forward 50 with Setterfield should be a possible move?

Something! Having him stand at the feet of the ruck and getting the ball stationary while someone's holding him over and over. Geez.

Petracca or Rivers should be killing it, but instead we just make Oliver fight through it even though he has low impact. He had 41, there's no way the bombers wouldn't tick that game off as a win on the impact he could have

 

[Dory_77]

I don’t think it’s up to him to play a different way at all. If he is getting tagged then someone needs to come in and flatten the tagger. I guess the issue with that these days is that any adverse physical contact gets you in trouble. Melbourne might want to submit some footage to the umpiring department to show him being held.

It’s beyond acceptable that people get away with that s**t at a stoppage. You can’t bump anymore but you can hug a bloke like a python.

I dunno that you even need to flatten a tagger. Give a block or two to open up a bit of space. Try someone else as the main target in stoppages. It's not all on him to make those calls, but he could say or do something different once in a while.

The stats do say a completely different story though. Oliver is ranked the 4th in the comp for highest score involvements per game for midfielders.
He is also the number 1 ranked mid in the comp for score launches. So in terms of impact on the scoreboard he is the most impactful midfielder in the comp statistically. That's if we're using score involvements and score launches as a metric.

He's also one of the highest possession getters. My point is more the ratio of score involvementsossessions for him seems well below what it could/should be. Ditto Trac. Both still get plenty, but they're racking up 30-35 touches a game. They should give us more than 15 scores from 70 of touches.

 

[Topkent]

Petraccas so much worse than Oliver. Where's the breaking tackles through the midfield and bursting out, where's the monstering blokes around the ground to mark, where's the switches in board that set up goals, where's the getting the ball at a forward 50 stoppage and snapping a beauty? He's doing nothing above average at the moment. Just playing games getting disposals. There's no bloody magic to his game

 

[Dory_77]

Petraccas so much worse than Oliver. Where's the breaking tackles through the midfield and bursting out, where's the monstering blokes around the ground to mark, where's the switches in board that set up goals, where's the getting the ball at a forward 50 stoppage and snapping a beauty? He's doing nothing above average at the moment. Just playing games getting disposals. There's no bloody magic to his game

To my eye he's trying to do those things but with 0 composure so bottles it more often then not. Had the rushed snap off 2 steps from a mark in the 3rd that could've steadied us. Tries the inside kick but scrubs or overcooks it. Seems very nervy this year whenever he gets near it

 

[Topkent]

To my eye he's trying to do those things but with 0 composure so bottles it more often then not. Had the rushed snap off 2 steps from a mark in the 3rd that could've steadied us. Tries the inside kick but scrubs or overcooks it. Seems very nervy this year whenever he gets near it

My gut says he's playing injured and doesn't have full confidence in his body but that's a guess. Either way he's definitely playing with as little confidence as he played with in his debut season and it's so obvious. Can't think of a single quarter this season he's been the best in the game

 

[Bluelegs]

My gut says he's playing injured and doesn't have full confidence in his body but that's a guess. Either way he's definitely playing with as little confidence as he played with in his debut season and it's so obvious. Can't think of a single quarter this season he's been the best in the game

Remember last year after the Sydney game he fractured his leg and someone was saying in the media he shouldn't play in the semi as it would ruin him for ages. Can't remember who it was though.

 

[Topkent]

Remember last year after the Sydney game he fractured his leg and someone was saying in the media he shouldn't play in the semi as it would ruin him for ages. Can't remember who it was though.

Vaguely, was it anything to do with Fyfe playing a final with a broken leg and struggling after?

 

[Bluelegs]

Vaguely, was it anything to do with Fyfe playing a final with a broken leg and struggling after?

Found it. Pendlebury.

'Like sticking a knife in your calf': Magpies veteran's big warning for injured Demons star Christian Petracca

"Heaven forbid he had to miss six months or 12 months."

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Major Colvin]

I know the Bombers are an up and coming team but that was a bad loss and like many, I could see it coming - particularly on the back of an easy win against West Coast.

Agree that we are very vulnerable to teams playing aggressive, high intensity football. I just don't see how current team will beat Collingwood - now or in the finals. That's a travesty because on paper we have the most talented Melbourne team for the last 50 years, and we're at risk of wasting that talent.

I don't think its exactly panic stations yet - as soon as I saw Lever go out I knew we'd struggle - as I'd put him in the top 5 most important in the team alongside Gawn. But we really can't afford to go to pieces without these guys. It shows a real lack of resilience in our game plan. Goodwin and co. have some work to do.

 

[Daemon]

Look I know you blokes love meming s**t up and saying I hate Oliver port Adelaide etc. But if you look at Oliver's games

33, 37, 25, 34 and 41 disposals. His 25 disposal game was a ******* country mile better than the others. One of the best games I've ever seen him play. When we start playing s**t he goes into this mode of I need to win every single stoppage and get 40 disposals. The 2 games he had 37 and 41 were huge losses where he didn't do that much in. I call it selfish because it seems like instead of our midfield working as a team it becomes about him doing it alone to the point he gets it and slams it on a boot while being tackle and it goes straight up in the air. He's better than that, he can link play and kick the ball, he's quick. But he reverts to a Tom Mitchell style disposal padder when we are playing s**t. If that's me hating him, so be it.

I don't think he is trying to pad his stats. I see it as "well my teammates are playing like shit, I need to redouble my efforts to win the ball and make something happen". Poor guy got bugger all support from Trac or Viney at the coalface, and no one flew the flag on the tagger. Not to mention the countless holding the man free kicks he should have received but the umpires missed their Specsavers appointment last week.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Look I know you blokes love meming s**t up and saying I hate Oliver port Adelaide etc. But if you look at Oliver's games

33, 37, 25, 34 and 41 disposals. His 25 disposal game was a ******* country mile better than the others. One of the best games I've ever seen him play. When we start playing s**t he goes into this mode of I need to win every single stoppage and get 40 disposals. The 2 games he had 37 and 41 were huge losses where he didn't do that much in. I call it selfish because it seems like instead of our midfield working as a team it becomes about him doing it alone to the point he gets it and slams it on a boot while being tackle and it goes straight up in the air. He's better than that, he can link play and kick the ball, he's quick. But he reverts to a Tom Mitchell style disposal padder when we are playing s**t. If that's me hating him, so be it.

In games when Clarry is able to break clear from stoppages by foot he’s a superstar. When he doesn’t, he often gets 2-3 touches per contest because we keep getting caught or fumbling it and he keeps going back in to get it again.

These aren’t very useful touches a lot if the time but at least he battles for it and that partly explains why he racks them up when we’re under pressure and not playing well.

I’m more critical of Trac, who just goes missing when we need him but usually manages to still look good on the stat sheet. And Viney, who we definitely do not need getting 28 touches and being a link player.

 

[demondavey]

I dunno that you even need to flatten a tagger. Give a block or two to open up a bit of space. Try someone else as the main target in stoppages. It's not all on him to make those calls, but he could say or do something different once in a while.

He's also one of the highest possession getters. My point is more the ratio of score involvementsossessions for him seems well below what it could/should be. Ditto Trac. Both still get plenty, but they're racking up 30-35 touches a game. They should give us more than 15 scores from 70 of touches.

Yep. It’s 20%.

 

[SugarHealey]

Nah, you should've had your feet up at half-time. We've been out-worked and out-played by you all day.

Spot on. Our boys did not have they're minds switched on at all. They were not communicating with one another, noticeable from Qtr 1.

Our players were being caught with the ball, oblivious to the bummers tackler closing in.

Our connection with one another, when we had the ball was poor.

Our skills and touch was off.

I think the way we set up for this game must have contributed. Even the photo sessions.


It was a waste of an opportunity, this game.