No Oppo Supporters Double-Death-Riding Carlton 2019 Edition - Currently Pick 1 and 19

[El Doederino]

Carlton’s whole approach is intriguing.

They have the option to bring in another player.

But they could have brought in those 2 mature recruits, instead traded them out to other clubs.

Would think Carlton back their list but was that on the presumption that Docherty was back?

Getting pick 1 is main course. Watching the melts as people question SOS and their ridiculous backing of their list is the dessert.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

All of us who are honest thought "boom yeah pick 1 come on down baby"

I'd much rather earn Pick 1 purely on SOS's incompetence and Bolton's grinning foolery - not via the Injury Gods

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Carlton banking on sharp rise up AFL ladder in 2019 but Sam Docherty injury set to hurt
Silvagni talked the talk on draft night.

“What happens if we finish higher than them?” Silvagni said.

It was a gutsy stance and one many supporters applauded.

But, sadly, after co-captain Sam Docherty suffered a second ACL tear on Monday, finishing above Adelaide appears even more unlikely.

So, how many wins will Docherty’s absence cost the Blues in 2019? One? Two? Three?

What we know is it is certain to push them further down the ladder, and it will be the Crows that will profit.

And it so easily could have been Port Adelaide instead.
Welcome to live trading

 

[Elite Crow]

While you tee off, by playing the man?

Surely this or most other threads are about debating football?

You don’t get it do you? When do you call time? You are debating for debatings sake. It is going nowhere, you’ve even tried to continue the debate on another thread after being banned from another, surely that’s a hint?

You will not change one Crows posters opinion even if you post all year on the subject and the fact you received that like says it all.

 

[turbo182]

No mate. Rendell in the period after the draft stated they rated Danger number 2 in the draft after Cotchin. I had this Rendell chat on a podcast that I revisited a few years after the 2007 draft and am 100% certain of the above.

I recall him saying no.3

 

[Arr0w]

You don’t get it do you? When do you call time? You are debating for debatings sake. It is going nowhere, you’ve even tried to continue the debate on another thread after being banned from another, surely that’s a hint?

You will not change one Crows posters opinion even if you post all year on the subject and the fact you received that like says it all.

See, this is what I find interesting, cherry picking of facts. I posted a reply, in a thread, incorrectly, which I acknowledged. If that deserves a ban, so be it

Not interested in changing opinions, interested in the facts and healthy debates

This is a football forum

 

[Thetrader15]

Have no idea but I’d hazard a guess of meniscus tear with arthroscopic surgery. I had one and walked half a K to the post office and back as soon as I got home and was back on the roof in a week. Hopefully it’s as benign as my experience.

I'm calling BS on this

No one goes to the post office these days

 

[kirky]

Carlton will be fine.....I hear McGovern is pretty handy in the backline.

Shame for the injured players on a personal level.....but I don’t know them personally ...And all clubs have their bad luck injury stories.

I guess as this is a deathriding thread ....I’ts all apples ....we know too well how much it hurts having your elite running backman out for the year.

Simpson turns 34 next year too. Every chance they get pumped down back in 2019.

Had the same thoughts.

Were AFL fans and media outside the AFC wanting us to win the 2017GF because of Walsh and losing Brodie Smith to an ACL in the finals? Ah no.

Carlton defence structure will be horrid in 2019.

 

[kirky]

Certified insane thought process. We're not the Carlton pity board.

We're the Adelaide board and we want pick 1.

Some people may like to hide behind a veneer of faux sportsmanly care. As if sportsmanship has a place in the AFL. But even that lot who won't post it publicly are jizzing that this takes us closer to pick 1

Agree totally and I’m hoping we get it - no 1 pick.

 

[headache1]

You still don't get it, drafting is not about getting the best player at every pick, it is about minimizing busts, but love the continued cherry picking. Talia you say, what about Fyfe in the same draft? Does it really matter, if you don't have a bust?

You are losing the plot by going down the road of politics, try and stay on football

All I am asking is why you would mention Gallucci's stats in one game over SPS, surely you can enlighten me without a deflection, as to your motive

He didn't. He said Gallucci kicked 4 goals in Round 23 and averaged over 100+ metres gained per game more. What relevance that has to SPS vs Gallucci I'm not entirely sure, but he's clearly talking about the season after mentioning the 4 goals in round 23. I think the point was that neither of them have achieved much thus far, with most here not yet believing there is any guarantee of Gallucci making it, yet Carlton supporters seemingly being sold on the notion of SPS being a future star.

Why there is even an argument being had over Ogilvie vs SOS, I have no idea. They don't even hold the same position at their respective clubs. If it were Ogilvie vs whoever the hell is head of recruiting at Carlton, then you'd be seriously struggling (and probably a tad stupid) to suggest that the guy at Carlton has done a better job. Particularly when you consider the difference in picks they've had at their disposal.

 

[arrowman]

I'm calling BS on this

No one goes to the post office these days

Unless you need to buy some iTunes cards to pay your tax bill.

 

[Mego Red]

The danger comparison doesn’t really work

Danger wasn’t no.1 on our board, or even close.

We loved cale Morton, David Myers and Jarrod grant more

Danger is who we got, not who we wanted most

We don't actually know that. We can only judge actions (even if sometimes it's better to be lucky than smart).

 

[Coopers]

Hasnt he had ongoing issues? ie bone on bone?

In the context of South Australian radio, that phrase has a horrible mental image associated with it

 

[GameofSloanes]

Carlton banking on sharp rise up AFL ladder in 2019 but Sam Docherty injury set to hurt
Silvagni talked the talk on draft night.

“What happens if we finish higher than them?” Silvagni said.

It was a gutsy stance and one many supporters applauded.

But, sadly, after co-captain Sam Docherty suffered a second ACL tear on Monday, finishing above Adelaide appears even more unlikely.

So, how many wins will Docherty’s absence cost the Blues in 2019? One? Two? Three?

What we know is it is certain to push them further down the ladder, and it will be the Crows that will profit.

And it so easily could have been Port Adelaide instead.
Welcome to live trading

I love how the vic media paint it as even remotely possible that Carlton would finish above us. The fact that SOS thinks it is possible too shows how deluded he is.

 

[Arr0w]

He didn't. He said Gallucci kicked 4 goals in Round 23 and averaged over 100+ metres gained per game more. What relevance that has to SPS vs Gallucci I'm not entirely sure, but he's clearly talking about the season after mentioning the 4 goals in round 23. I think the point was that neither of them have achieved much thus far, with most here not yet believing there is any guarantee of Gallucci making it, yet Carlton supporters seemingly being sold on the notion of SPS being a future star.

Why there is even an argument being had over Ogilvie vs SOS, I have no idea. They don't even hold the same position at their respective clubs. If it were Ogilvie vs whoever the hell is head of recruiting at Carlton, then you'd be seriously struggling (and probably a tad stupid) to suggest that the guy at Carlton has done a better job. Particularly when you consider the difference in picks they've had at their disposal.

It is why I found the Gallucci v SPS comparison strange, especially highlighting metres gained and goals in one game, yet ignoring all other statistic, over the course of their respective short careers. Player comparisons are really pointless, especially in young kids, playing different positions, in different qualities of sides. Using both players, but removing the bias of our own teams, what would Gallucci's output look like if he was playing for the Saints and SPS playing for the Hawks. Compare the effectiveness of each recruiter now

Comparisons of recruiters is also flawed, as sides are at different points of development, so their effectiveness can only be judged years later. I will reiterate again, I rate the Crows highly, in player identification and development, yet no recruiter has a 100% strike rate, let alone better than 60%

 

[jooce8891]

I thought he did his injury in the early rounds of 2018? I could be wrong though

sorry if someone else has mention it but he did it first day of pre season last year.

 

[Thetrader15]

I love how the vic media paint it as even remotely possible that Carlton would finish above us. The fact that SOS thinks it is possible too shows how deluded he is.

Even SOS was joking when he said it

 

[GROTTO]

I actually dont want Carlton to get injuries, they will self destruct on their own without any assistance.

Them having these injuries allows them to use excuses before the end of the H&A season.

 

[70lethal]

It is why I found the Gallucci v SPS comparison strange, especially highlighting metres gained and goals in one game, yet ignoring all other statistic, over the course of their respective short careers. Player comparisons are really pointless, especially in young kids, playing different positions, in different qualities of sides. Using both players, but removing the bias of our own teams, what would Gallucci's output look like if he was playing for the Saints and SPS playing for the Hawks. Compare the effectiveness of each recruiter now

Comparisons of recruiters is also flawed, as sides are at different points of development, so their effectiveness can only be judged years later. I will reiterate again, I rate the Crows highly, in player identification and development, yet no recruiter has a 100% strike rate, let alone better than 60%

More Denial
the reason why we arent bottom 2 is our drafting. Compare the percentage of busts in 1st and 2nd rounders

The Gallucci vs SPS comparison was because Carlton always overestimate their projections like

we gonna get shiel
we will get mcgovern with 1 second rounder
Stocker was a pick 6
we fixed our recruiters
SOS what happens if we finish higher? I tell you what happen a terrorist blew up a plane carrying the crows team
Boltons a good coach

Carlton think SPS will be a star go read there boards. All SOS picks are genius. I dont think he will.
Then theres our board where many are questioning if Gallucci is going to make it.

Yet there statistics are so identical. SPS might get 3 more handballs a game but he has a clearance f*****g king next to him so his stats should be off the scales as a outside player no matter how s**t carlton are. Likes of Pestia played in a crap team and system at GC he didnt need excuses.

Gallucci destroys SPS offensively. He gains 60% more metres and 4 times more scoring impact and we are concerned if he will make it.

We are harder on our pick 15 than Carlton on their pick 6

So the point for the simple was to show the difference in optimism between the 2 supporter groups and these 2 players highlight it.

We want spud Burton sacked while you crowd bow down to SOS and worship him.
My point is they both fall so short of their peers.

 

[ad victoriam]

You still don't get it, drafting is not about getting the best player at every pick, it is about minimizing busts, but love the continued cherry picking. Talia you say, what about Fyfe in the same draft? Does it really matter, if you don't have a bust?

You are losing the plot by going down the road of politics, try and stay on football

All I am asking is why you would mention Gallucci's stats in one game over SPS, surely you can enlighten me without a deflection, as to your motive

For a visiter, you really don't know much,
You mention Drafting is about minimizing busts, not getting the best player for your club, interesting, but that another discussion,
But your cherry picking comment is beyond belief.
Tell me can you actually name one of Hamish 1st rd Picks that has been a failure.
Crows problem is we don't get too many of them and when we do most are in the teens.
But name a Hamish's 1st failure. he's a big hint don't go back beyond 2007.

 

[Arr0w]

More Denial
the reason why we arent bottom 2 is our drafting. Compare the percentage of busts in 1st and 2nd rounders

The Gallucci vs SPS comparison was because Carlton always overestimate their projections like

we gonna get shiel
we will get mcgovern with 1 second rounder
Stocker was a pick 6
we fixed our recruiters
Boltons a good coach

Carlton think SPS will be a star go read there boards. All SOS picks are genius. I dont think he will.
Then theres our board where many are questioning if Gallucci is going to make it.

Yet there statistics are so identical. SPS might get 3 more handballs a game but he has a clearance f*****g king next to him so his stats should be off the scales as a outside player no matter how s**t carlton are. Likes of Pestia played in a crap team and system at GC he didnt need excuses.

Gallucci destroys SPS offensively. He gains 60% more metres and 4 times more scoring impact and we are concerned if he will make it.

So the point for the simple was to show the difference in optimism between the 2 supporter groups and these 2 players highlight it.

We want spud Burton sacked while you crowd bow down to SOS and worship him.
My point is they both fall so short of their peers.

Now I understand it, you are really frustrated, as you clearly you have been interacting with supporters that have limited knowledge of the game, who have accepted you poor analysis, yet struggle when someone calls you out

You speak of generalizations, that are prevalent in all supporter groups. So let's keep this conversation, purely on your opinion and mine.

• Never once did I state, we would get Shiel, but of course I would have been happy getting him.
• Never once did I state we would get MM for a solitary 2nd rounder, go back to my history, where i stated that to get the deal done, we would have to give up a 13 in the range of 13-16, unlike many of your own supporters suggesting he was worth 2 x 1st rounders or a pick in the 4-7 range
• Never once did I have Stocker rated at 6, had him at 16
• We fixed our recruiters too, when we sacked Hughes and Rodgers
• Bolton is a good coach, which has been proven, when he has coached sides with establised, developed, talent
• Never once have I said SPS will be a "star"
• Never said SOS was a genius or a messiah

You then state the reason SPS (playing in an underdeveloped midfield) has a greater average in possessions, is only due to Cripps winning contested ball, yet exclude that Gallucci is playing as your 6th best forward? Not to mention that SPS has had less TOG over his career? You really lack any form of balance, but happy to review how these 2 players are tracking in year's to come

Happy to move on whenever your ready and get back to discussions of the Death Riding thread

 

[radiojake]

oh my god gallucci vs sps who seriously flipping cares?

 

[Arr0w]

For a visiter, you really don't know much,
You mention Drafting is about minimizing busts, not getting the best player for your club, interesting, but that another discussion,
But your cherry picking comment is beyond belief.
Tell me can you actually name one of Hamish 1st rd Picks that has been a failure.
Crows problem is we don't get too many of them and when we do most are in the teens.
But name a Hamish's 1st failure. he's a big hint don't go back beyond 2007.

You must have me mistaken with someone else

I said the priority of drafting is not having a bust, getting the best player in the draft with every pick is a bonus. Nor have I ever questioned your drafting, player identification or development, in fact I have stated many times that I rate it highly

 

[LittleCrowBoy]

oh my god gallucci vs sps who seriously ruddy cares?

Maybe some people on here do? ....is that ok with you boss ???

 

[GROTTO]

It appears this trampoline is being hid under the bed.

How the f**k could someone use a trampoline in a reckless manner where it could cause him to land recklessly is beyond me.

GreyCrow mentioned its merits and I do concur, but from my understanding the injury was possibly sustained over the weekend while at his gf place.