List Mgmt. Draft Needs 2018 #2: Rankine / Lukosius / Rozee / Hately, I'm knocking Woodcock out the box, daily!

[Hodgy]

Yep, very much agree. This isn't going to be the year that the top 5 players in the draft are instant superstars and players taken beyond that are all bog average battlers. It will turn out the same as it always does with extremely good players emerging from lower in the draft, it's about who can identify that talent and maximise it. I hope we don't trade up. We have great picks going in to the draft.

You have hit the nail on the head with 3 words "identify that talent".
if someone had picks 2 and 3 in the 2015 draft and traded them for 11, 12, 15 and 17 like GC probably could with us now, most of their supporters would want to burn down the grandstand. 3 years later however if they were offered the choice of Schache and Mills versus Milera, Charlie Curnow, Daniel Motlop and Tom Doedee, those same supporters would burn down the grandstand if they didnt do it.
The only difference is the evaluation of the talent.

 

[Danger Zone]

I think there is a realistic chance that Gold Coast could take SA boys with their first 5 picks. Lukosius, Rankine, Rozee, Valente, McLennan.

 

[Pea Nut]

You have hit the nail on the head with 3 words "identify that talent".
if someone had picks 2 and 3 in the 2015 draft and traded them for 11, 12, 15 and 17 like GC probably could with us now, most of their supporters would want to burn down the grandstand. 3 years later however if they were offered the choice of Schache and Mills versus Milera, Charlie Curnow, Daniel Motlop and Tom Doedee, those same supporters would burn down the grandstand if they didnt do it.
The only difference is the evaluation of the talent.

Your mention of Dan Motlop in this post seriously threw me. I had to go look to try work out who you meant. Dan Rioli obviously. Three young guns and Dan Motlop made no sense.

 

[radiojake]

Obviously the idea of getting pick 4 or 6 sounds really appealing as we have never had access to that end of the draft

but then again I can't get past this idea

Brodie Smith #14
Daniel Talia #12


We currently have #8 #13 #16

in one draft

imagine getting 3 players with Smith/Talia quality in one draft

 

[Pea Nut]

Obviously the idea of getting pick 4 or 6 sounds really appealing as we have never had access to that end of the draft

but then again I can't get past this idea

Brodie Smith #14
Daniel Talia #12


We currently have #8 #13 #16

in one draft

imagine getting 3 players with Smith/Talia quality in one draft

Dangerfield at pick 10, Matt Crouch at pick 23. We'd be crazy to give up what we currently have for 1 pick.

 

[Hodgy]

Your mention of Dan Motlop in this post seriously threw me. I had to go look to try work out who you meant. Dan Rioli obviously. Three young guns and Dan Motlop made no sense.

Ha Ha, sorry about that. Still getting last nights fumes out of my head.

 

[Hodgy]

Obviously the idea of getting pick 4 or 6 sounds really appealing as we have never had access to that end of the draft

but then again I can't get past this idea

Brodie Smith #14
Daniel Talia #12


We currently have #8 #13 #16

in one draft

imagine getting 3 players with Smith/Talia quality in one draft

Yes but imagine getting Nick Riewoldt or Andrew McLeod in one draft, if Luko or Rankine end up like that. It really comes down to how good the players are that are available at the picks, not the number themselves.

Personally I am really torn because I would certainly not want to give up what we have for say Walsh or Max King, however how often in our clubs history going forward, are we going to have potentially some of the best SA footballers ever produced available and in our reach. I think reluctantly I would trade 13, 16 and next years first for pick 3 and 29. Its a huge cost, 3 firsts for pick 3, but if we got Rankine, Caldwell and Valente in this draft I think we would have an elite midfield for the next 10 years.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Dangerfield at pick 10, Matt Crouch at pick 23. We'd be crazy to give up what we currently have for 1 pick.

With you, Throw in Milera and the Fog. There are stars out there with our picks.

 

[radiojake]

I think reluctantly I would trade 13, 16 and next years first for pick 3 and 29

we ain't getting pick #3 while keeping #8

 

[Iva Bigun]

Wait... you have a player named Goober?

Brayden Crossley

 

[GrommoT]

Brayden Crossley

Too bad... draft night would have been funny otherwise.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I’m not sure it’s fair to say picks 8 and 13 are more of a lottery than taking Rankine at 3. I would argue he is the ultimate lottery pick to be honest.
In general I think it’s fair to say that fans see trading up as much more sexy than trading down. Really good list management though would see going both directions as equally valuable depending on your needs and talent evaluation.

Rankine interviewed well and has met some of the boys. He may be a risk but there is no guarantee he gets taken at 3.
We had 4x top 10 picks 2 years ago, 1 was a bust, 3 more this year and 2 next. We have to take the best talent available and the industry is saying that talent is in the top 8 including Blakey

 

[Sloane4pm]

Obviously the idea of getting pick 4 or 6 sounds really appealing as we have never had access to that end of the draft

but then again I can't get past this idea

Brodie Smith #14
Daniel Talia #12


We currently have #8 #13 #16

in one draft

imagine getting 3 players with Smith/Talia quality in one draft

I was filthy when we picked up danger over ebert. Ropeable when we picked up leaver (spelt that way on purpose) over durdin and spat the dummy when we picked up doedee over burton. I’ve learnt my lesson. Don’t care who we pick up because i have every confidence It will be the right choice. Enjoy this draft it will be a defining moment in our clubs history.

 

[GROTTO]

I was filthy when we picked up danger over ebert. Ropeable when we picked up leaver (spelt that way on purpose) over durdin and spat the dummy when we picked up doedee over burton. I’ve learnt my lesson. Don’t care who we pick up because i have every confidence It will be the right choice. Enjoy this draft it will be a defining moment in our clubs history.

Yes. I was in the same boat about all those three as you. I learnt slowly to back our Club.

But could you imagine what would happen if we managed to score pick 3 or pick 4 and overlooked Luko and Rankine for another kid lol.

The meltdown on this board would be awesome.

 

[dogs105]

Its not a lottery, the Suns just lack the staff that are astute that can identify talent outside the top 10.

Fun Fact, Crows have never ever had a top 5 pick, and this year is our best pick we have ever had, ie pick 8 since our existence.

We have picked a few players now that were picked in the 10-20 range that have ended up being in retrospect Top 5 picks in hindsight.

We took angwin with pick 7

 

[Carmo]

We took angwin with pick 7

those were dark days though..

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yes but imagine getting Nick Riewoldt or Andrew McLeod in one draft, if Luko or Rankine end up like that. It really comes down to how good the players are that are available at the picks, not the number themselves.

Personally I am really torn because I would certainly not want to give up what we have for say Walsh or Max King, however how often in our clubs history going forward, are we going to have potentially some of the best SA footballers ever produced available and in our reach. I think reluctantly I would trade 13, 16 and next years first for pick 3 and 29. Its a huge cost, 3 firsts for pick 3, but if we got Rankine, Caldwell and Valente in this draft I think we would have an elite midfield for the next 10 years.

You can trade all that all you want but it requires another club to agree which ain’t going to happen

 

[Hodgy]

You can trade all that all you want but it requires another club to agree which ain’t going to happen

Every club in the comp would trade pick 3 for 3 firsts. The reason that trade won't happen is because we wouldn't offer it, not because GC would knock it back.
In the trade market this year 11, 13 and 15 were traded for Polec, McGovern and Winguard. Three very, very good players with their prime to come. That's what the industry values those 3 picks as, and that is a hell of a lot higher than pick 3.

Supporters are like kids at christmas. Given the choice between a playstation or $400 in a savings account they will opt for the playstation every time. However in 3 years when the choice is between a broken playstation or $450 they would take the later. Responsible list managers need to be able to look past the excitement of what you get now and look after the long term future, and for GC now getting 3 firsts over the next 12 months instead of Rankine is a very sound deal.

 

[GROTTO]

We took angwin with pick 7

Ah thanks.

In fairness draft picks in those days did not carry same weight as they do in the modern era.

Didnt we actually in the ende gave up Pick 2 for Carey?

 

[GROTTO]

You can trade all that all you want but it requires another club to agree which ain’t going to happen

True. We missed by a year after the AFL world laughed at the Suns last year for giving up Pick 2 to Freo.

 

[dogs105]

Ah thanks.

In fairness draft picks in those days did not carry same weight as they do in the modern era.

Didnt we actually in the ende gave up Pick 2 for Carey?

Accidentally. Was 4 at time of trade.

 

[GROTTO]

Accidentally. Was 4 at time of trade.

Yes thats correct as far as I can remember.

What a monumental blow. From memory we missed out on Wells.

Ironically we could have had Pav and Wells in our team at the time but Ayres had the final say.

 

[Hodgy]

Ah thanks.

In fairness draft picks in those days did not carry same weight as they do in the modern era.

Didnt we actually in the ende gave up Pick 2 for Carey?

Pick 4. It became pick 2 later because of sanctions to Carlton I think.

 

[dogs105]

Pick 4. It became pick 2 later because of sanctions to Carlton I think.

Either was too much. Plus another pick. For a bloke who couldn't lift his arms.

 

[Hodgy]

Either was too much. Plus another pick. For a bloke who couldn't lift his arms.

Yes but a bloke who was the best player the game has ever seen. And Wells has had a very disappointing career I think.
Anyway, long time ago.