Autopsy Geelong lose to WC by 9 points at Optus

[xtatik222k]

Role model geelong supporter right here

Settle down, mate. I've put in the hard yards with the team.

 

[Partridge]

I liked Chris Scotts after match press conference - in regard to - he is a big fan of the 17 game season = everyone plays everyone once totally fair and he really emphasised that in a 17 game season - that every game is vitally important ( where 22 game season you could get away with 1 or 2 shock losses

And i agree with ( and if your out of the picture - the lasst 5-6 games were a waste of time - and supporters of those clubs couldnt wait for the season to finish )

I think if you brought in one more team - Tasmania that would make a 18 round season ( it used to be that in the 1960s ) plus 4 weeks of finals and maybe a split round - so thats 23 weeks - thats long enough - keeps everyone interested and it is a totally fair draw

Sure it is. Geelong have to play every interstate side interstate. Think that's fair?

The only truly fair system is every team twice. Which will never happen. 22 games is better - much better - than 17. Quality rises the more games are played. The better, stronger, and more durable sides win out in the end.

 

[Partridge]

Settle down, mate. I've put in the hard yards with the team.

You have a different opinion, that's the problem. Blind worship is required.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Sure it is. Geelong have to play every interstate side interstate. Think that's fair?

The only truly fair system is every team twice. Which will never happen. 22 games is better - much better - than 17. Quality rises the more games are played. The better, stronger, and more durable sides win out in the end.

Cant understand your logic their to be honest - for example - Geel dont play Eagles every year in Perth in a 22 rounder - so why are they going to play every interstate side interstate in a 17 rounder ???

22 rounds is shockingly unfair - go back to 2012 Syd/ ADE ( top 4 teams ) got GWS and Suns twice - who were both hopeless and you couldnt lose to - that cost Cats a top 4 spot - that type of nonsense dissappears in a 17 rounder ( or 18 rounder with Tassie in the comp )

 

[Spearman]

Interesting game, a bit a teaser even. We show that we have some ability there in the team, even when missing some big players. You have to remember that WCE has a cohesive core of veteran players that have played together for a long time. Disappointing to lose, but if I were the sort to look for positives, I could find some.
One thing I noticed during the 2Q was that our guys had a surge of confidence. I'd have to watch a replay to figure out where it sparked off, but it was there. You could see the effort, but there was a twitchiness that pushed them up just little. And it was making a difference. It wasn't there at beginning of 3Q, though the effort was.

 

[dazbroncos]

Nothing to do with coming up against Blicavs I'm sure.

2018, same opponent, same venue. We were 5 points up at three quarter time. Last quarter, Natanui destroys Blicavs, 7 goals to 3, they win.

Good to see we've learned from it.

Is this the same game where we finished with 1 on the bench?

GO Catters

 

[Seeds]

That's rubbish. In 2008 and 2009 there were many games he carried the ruck duties in Ottens' absences.

And he was quite poor when he did despite being in the most dominant side for the decade. even got dropped for 5 weeks when ottens was out he was so poor. We played mumford in his first season as sole ruck for 5 weeks because the more senior ruckman in blake couldnt handle it.

despite apparently being a hit out king mark blake only ever got atleast 30 hitouts in a game 4 times with his highest being 36. Compare that to a true hit out ruckman like dawson simpson who has numerous over 50 Hit out games. Even zac smith has vastly superior hit out stats to mark blake.

 

[Seeds]

Is this the same game where we finished with 1 on the bench?

GO Catters

Yep. Doesnt change the fact nic absolutely monstered blicavs that day. Blicavs even stopped trying to go up in the ruck at the centre square in the last qtr of that game and tried to tackle nic nat instead. saturdays game was an improvement on that one as he only did that once on saturday.

 

[Seeds]

Unfortunately, we have a system and coach who gets us top 4 most years, so we will always get the lower end draftees.

He was pick 22. I.e. a higher pick then steve johnson, enright, ling, chapman, tim kelly, motlop, mitch duncan. Its not like he was a pick in the 40s.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Very good post

Some supporters listing the Geel outs (from presumably the best side possible picked ) and keep mentioning Dalhaus - i think Bradley Close in his 2 games has already gone past Dalhaus

Close is a bit like Varcoe in one aspect - i will get/give the ball to a Geel player in the best possible position to score a goal

I think my favourite passage from him i actually didn't pick up much of on first viewing but when looking at constable's involvements I saw that Chooks best passage from the first quarter was 100% made possible by close. Close read rhe play, blocked for Chook, ran to the front of the stoppage when Chook hit up his default outlet (Parfitt). After get and give under pressure Chook sent forward to Close who immediately sent to Miers.

Knows when to block and when to go, attacks by default, has the pace and the skills. Can't see a reason he's not a good long-term player for us.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He was pick 22. I.e. a higher pick then steve johnson, enright, ling, chapman, tim kelly, motlop, mitch duncan. Its not like he was a pick in the 40s.

Whether that's a good pick depends on the draft. There are players taken ahead of him and behind him that are worse. The only one I look at in that draft and think we missed an opportunity with the picks we had was Liam Ryan but we were far from the only ones there

 

[Partridge]

Cant understand your logic their to be honest - for example - Geel dont play Eagles every year in Perth in a 22 rounder - so why are they going to play every interstate side interstate in a 17 rounder ???

22 rounds is shockingly unfair - go back to 2012 Syd/ ADE ( top 4 teams ) got GWS and Suns twice - who were both hopeless and you couldnt lose to - that cost Cats a top 4 spot - that type of nonsense dissappears in a 17 rounder ( or 18 rounder with Tassie in the comp )

I can't understand the logic in thinking that 17 games is any way better than 22. The more games you play the less likely fluke winners occur.

 

[Partridge]

He was pick 22. I.e. a higher pick then steve johnson, enright, ling, chapman, tim kelly, motlop, mitch duncan. Its not like he was a pick in the 40s.

From our current list, higher pick than Guthrie, Steven, Stewart, and Menegola as well.

Isn't it amazing how apparently you can't get any quality players ever unless they're in the first round now? Despite our own club having very clear current and past examples to the contrary.

It also overlooks one thing never, ever discussed - we've traded in high picks from other clubs.

Our current list has five picks from the top 10 or inside it:

Rohan (pick #6), Selwood (pick #7), Henderson (pick #8), Cockatoo (pick #10), and Dangerfield (pick #10). They paid something for them of course - and I absolutely was not in favour of them all (not Rohan in a million years, and not a first rounder for Henderson). But the fact is we do have some early picks on our list. It's not quite as threadbare as some like to insinuate.

 

[Partridge]

Yep. Doesnt change the fact nic absolutely monstered blicavs that day. Blicavs even stopped trying to go up in the ruck at the centre square in the last qtr of that game and tried to tackle nic nat instead. saturdays game was an improvement on that one as he only did that once on saturday.

Yep and I'm sure it was pure coincidence that Stanley was recalled to the senior team the following week.

 

[Partridge]

Is this the same game where we finished with 1 on the bench?

GO Catters

Yep, Ablett (who was BOG at the time), Guthrie, and Cockatoo. Not a lot of ruck support unfortunately.

 

[Spazz Cat]

From our current list, higher pick than Guthrie, Steven, Stewart, and Menegola as well.

Isn't it amazing how apparently you can't get any quality players ever unless they're in the first round now? Despite our own club having very clear current and past examples to the contrary.

It also overlooks one thing never, ever discussed - we've traded in high picks from other clubs.

Our current list has five picks from the top 10 or inside it:

Rohan (pick #6), Selwood (pick #7), Henderson (pick #8), Cockatoo (pick #10), and Dangerfield (pick #10). They paid something for them of course - and I absolutely was not in favour of them all (not Rohan in a million years, and not a first rounder for Henderson). But the fact is we do have some early picks on our list. It's not quite as threadbare as some like to insinuate.

We had 2 first rounders we got for Ablett too. Not bad. Think Hawthorn got bugger all for Buddy.
Sort of went Caddy into Parfitt
Smedts + a little bit into 2E

 

[dazbroncos]

Yep. Doesnt change the fact nic absolutely monstered blicavs that day. Blicavs even stopped trying to go up in the ruck at the centre square in the last qtr of that game and tried to tackle nic nat instead. saturdays game was an improvement on that one as he only did that once on saturday.

Never said anyhting about Blitz not being monstered. Please show me where I did.

But seeing it was the case regarding the missing rotations and bench players, i think its folly to suggest NN tearing BLitz apart was the only reason we lost by 7 goals in the end. Clearly a myopic POV.

Add in the fact of NN beating BLitz - no arguement - but to suggest its the only reason... sound overly skewed without all the facts to me.

Go Catters

 

[Spazz Cat]

Yep, Ablett (who was BOG at the time), Guthrie, and Cockatoo. Not a lot of ruck support unfortunately.

Yes we withdrew Stanley before the game one of those super cunning late changes.
Against Nic Nat!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dazbroncos]

Yep, Ablett (who was BOG at the time), Guthrie, and Cockatoo. Not a lot of ruck support unfortunately.

Ok... thats gonna add to the net effect of Blitz getting whooped as well.

GO Catters

 

[Spazz Cat]

Never said anyhting about Blitz not being monstered. Please show me where I did.

But seeing it was the case regarding the missing rotations and bench players, i think its folly to suggest NN tearing BLitz apart was the only reason we lost by 7 goals in the end. Clearly a myopic POV.

Add in the fact of NN beating BLitz - no arguement - but to suggest its the only reason... sound overly skewed without all the facts to me.

Go Catters

7 goals? Thought it was a close game.
Nic Nat smashed us in the end. Won it for them. Great Player.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Ok... thats gonna add to the net effect of Blitz getting whooped as well.

GO Catters

Not really. He's just not a ruckman.

 

[Partridge]

Never said anyhting about Blitz not being monstered. Please show me where I did.

But seeing it was the case regarding the missing rotations and bench players, i think its folly to suggest NN tearing BLitz apart was the only reason we lost by 7 goals in the end. Clearly a myopic POV.

Add in the fact of NN beating BLitz - no arguement - but to suggest its the only reason... sound overly skewed without all the facts to me.

Certainly wasn't the only reason, but it was a bloody big one.

 

[Partridge]

Yes we withdrew Stanley before the game one of those super cunning late changes.
Against Nic Nat!!!!!!!!!!!

Training for finals obviously. September 2019 in fact. He just did it against Grundy instead.

And it worked just as well - genius!

 

[Partridge]

7 goals? Thought it was a close game.
Nic Nat smashed us in the end. Won it for them. Great Player.

No they kicked 7 goals in the last quarter. Won by about 15 points or so.

 

[Spazz Cat]

No they kicked 7 goals in the last quarter. Won by about 15 points or so.

Oh fair enough.