Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Pure_Ownage]

I have tried but I do not understand the reasoning behind having to use as many picks as they have list spots. Does that mean when you bundle up some of those picks to get a f/s, you then have list spots that can’t be filled?

Assune the following scenario (best as i can explain Turbocat might do it better).
Lets assume theres 60 picks in draft total.
Assume brisbane have 3 r2s and 3 r3s worth x points.
They can use all 6 picks to match only if theyve cleared 6 senior list spots (ie they must delist/ret that many players). Ie if only 5 senior list spots can only use first 5 picks and 6th disappears.
This is why its better for them to accumulate x no of points via 4 picks than 6 if possible as it saves them delisting 2 extra players.
Anyway
Ashcroft is bid at 1 (example)
They use the first 6 picks to match bid.
Fletcher then bid at 16 (for eg)
They have no picks left so they match and deficit is applied to future 1st 2023.
Still have 4 vacant list spots and picks gone.

Afl then will give them picks 61-64 to fill their list (if the draft has 70 picks its 71-74 etc).
They can do this by either
Drafting 4 kids at the end of the draft
Re draft 4 guys they delisted
Pass some picks for psd or ssp
Or any combination of all 3 so long as they end up with the minimum 36 players on senior list.

Its important to note that the deficit comes on the round where bid is placed ie if its a r1 bid deficit on fr1, if r2 bid then deficit on fr2.
Obviously thats why they would trade out the future 1st now.

So they can match ashcroft and fletcher they will just have only very late picks year it will wipe them out of this years draft.
As for dunkley i doubt dogs take fr1 alone (nor should they with the uncertainty of deficit) it is probably going to be #15 + fr1 with the dogs sending back some later r2s or r3s or something equivalent to help bris cover bids (see scenario above).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

For all the Bowes talk from all clubs, i am pretty certain the appeal of pick 7 outweighs the player in question.. and who knows how that deal would even play out.
So surely it is a good if it works, but for us... not the end of the world if it doesn't happen

7 would be great as we are unlikely to have a pick that high for a long time but even if we dont get it so long as we can get henry and bruhn im happy.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Will get flogged most weeks
Won't see finals.

Bowes is used to that!
If he goes to Hawthorn he gets paid and he gets played.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Heard yesterday clubs can only go into deficit 1700ish points max.

I have not crunched all the numbers with the Lions, but without 1st rounders for 2x years and needing to bid on Ashcroft + Fletcher and trade in Dunkley + Gunston, the points don't really look to add up.

Interesting times ahead at Brisbane... Think they got some work to do.

Unsure if they can make the points for Fletcher + Ashcroft without going over 2 years of deficit (which I'm not even sure is allowed).

It's a first for the AFL... I won't be surprised if some funky stuff happens and we learn as it happens in front of us.

They do have a lot to do and no doubt if #15 goes to the dogs they will need to get back later points plus trade #35 down for more points and maybe trade a player for late picks etc.
There is a deficit cap however my understanding is if there is a deficit on the future 1st and bris have already traded it to dogs (lets say its p16 2023 and it moves it back to p25) that applies to the dogs not brisbane.
So theres ways for brisbane to get creative and thats partly why their future 1st is on the table.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Bowes is used to that!
If he goes to Hawthorn he gets paid and he gets played.

Thats true but hes never played finals and he might never in his career if he goes to hawks.
A big selling point for us is playing finals.

 

[year of the cat]

Hawks board now confident he's going there. Change in momentum coincided with Jumping's post. Just sayin'.....

 

[D BRIDGE]

For all the Bowes talk from all clubs, i am pretty certain the appeal of pick 7 outweighs the player in question.. and who knows how that deal would even play out.
So surely it is a good if it works, but for us... not the end of the world if it doesn't happen

A bright side way to looking at missing Bowes is that if we have that kind of cap space... We can front load a bit now and bank $$$ for good free agents/trade targets in the future.

Maybe we end up bringing in a really good player (not this year) that we simply wouldn't be able to bring in if Bowes chose/chooses us.

As per usual... Time will tell.

 

[00VicWard001]

Why on Earth would we trade 7 for later picks or split it to attain Bruhn/Henry when we already have sufficient picks to get Bruhn and Henry?

Lunacy. It’s strange reading comments suggesting to do this. It would be a worse result for us.

It’s our first single digit pick in 16 yrs… this would certainly go to the draft if we got it.

Getting these sort of picks does not happen to Geelong. It’s really unbelievable… and you then have some thinking we should trade? Bizarre

The way we back up year after year, I doubt we'll ever get another single digit pick again.

 

[00VicWard001]

We should have learnt by now to trust that the club won’t bring in listed players who won’t have a place in the future team if they develop/play as the club predicts. I can see that Bruhn and Bowes fit their plan (if Bowes comes and stays fit, I agree with Danger, he looked like Mitch Duncan 2.0). I think Henry is not a Rohan replacement directly but a pretty damn good replacement potentially. The Irishman is a free hit for speed within our system (not so hot defensively maybe), and we should be grateful for anything else (pick 7 if we use it will be the best available for us). It is almost unthinkable that we could end up with that lot, but we take risks like a winner and if we have to move the dollars around, I am confident our lot won’t stuff it up like Collingwood, Essendon, etc. This year the football season was a magnificent dream, and potentially the off season could match it - like I said, unbelievable !

McKenna would really fit into our style of play. Just burst through zones in formation with Gryan, Stengle and Close.

 

[Shadow89]

This guy on Twitter seems very confident. Along with the Stevo news this morning, I reckon it's all over red rover:

 

[dangerwood]

This guy on Twitter seems very confident. Along with the Stevo news this morning, I reckon it's all over red rover:

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Nooooo. Damn Bowes!

 

[Sttew]

Bowes is used to that!
If he goes to Hawthorn he gets paid and he gets played.

Only 5 games in 2022

 

[Baudolino]

We seem to be missing out on all our major targets this trade period. The Hopper, Grundy, De Goey didnt work out...now seemingly Bowes to follow a similar pattern?

Good thing we won a flag though lol, it kinda puts any trade disappointments into perspective. Difficult to be too flat about it when we just achieved footy nirvana.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Yeah it's sounding like Hawks are in prime position now.

Bowes is best mates with Jack Scrimshaw.

They also have Jaeger O'Meara (Ex-gold coast).

Garbage.

Was O'Meara even at the Suns when Bowes was drafted. Line ball at best to say that O'Meara will be a factor. And from what I'm told, the whole best mates with Scrimshaw thing is a bit of a stretch. Do you work with your best mate?

 

[Sttew]

Let's face it. If not for pick 7 would we be so keen about getting Bowes? TBH I hadn't really heard of him before trade talks started.

 

[moond0g]

If we missed out on Hopper and now potentially Bowes on reasonably big money deals, does this mean we use that cash to target a FA next year perhaps?

 

[Sttew]

Garbage.

Was O'Meara even at the Suns when Bowes was drafted. Line ball at best to say that O'Meara will be a factor. And from what I'm told, the whole best mates with Scrimshaw thing is a bit of a stretch. Do you work with your best mate?

Helped Caddy want to go to Richmond

 

[00VicWard001]

SIlvagni isn't very bright.

Silvagni doing us a big favour. Creating a credible threat for the Pies to consider. If North actually offer it to him, then the Pies will deal with us. Henry knows that if he performs, he'll get the same outcome from us over time and his contract will be as long as he is able to play AFL. Doesnt need a 6 year contract when he's coming home to play for the rest of his career. And he knows that in a few years, the collective bargaining, he'll be one of the highest paid in Geelong with his skillset.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

Garbage.

Was O'Meara even at the Suns when Bowes was drafted. Line ball at best to say that O'Meara will be a factor. And from what I'm told, the whole best mates with Scrimshaw thing is a bit of a stretch. Do you work with your best mate?

If Mackie cant this get this across the line with all the issues Hawks have , we need to go back to Wells this was a dream scenario

 

[bellpark]

Hawks have nothing to look forward to, hopefully this is an example of their boredom. If he does go there that’s the way it goes and we get Bruhn, Henry (we will give pick 18 in the end), and maybe look at Paddy Dow

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[Pure_Ownage]

We seem to be missing out on all our major targets this trade period. The Hopper, Grundy, De Goey didnt work out...now seemingly Bowes to follow a similar pattern?

Good thing we won a flag though lol, it kinda puts any trade disappointments into perspective. Difficult to be too flat about it when we just achieved footy nirvana.

Yeah but theres silver linings as missing hopper got us bruhn and henry as a pivot.
Who knows what players or picks we will pivot to if we dont get bowes?

 

[fpm84]

We seem to be missing out on all our major targets this trade period. The Hopper, Grundy, De Goey didnt work out...now seemingly Bowes to follow a similar pattern?

Good thing we won a flag though lol, it kinda puts any trade disappointments into perspective. Difficult to be too flat about it when we just achieved footy nirvana.

Ollie Henry will kick 400+ goals for us. Bookmark it.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Was O'Meara even at the Suns when Bowes was drafted. Line ball at best to say that O'Meara will be a factor. And from what I'm told, the whole best mates with Scrimshaw thing is a bit of a stretch. Do you work with your best mate?

Do you get in chats with people that know Bowes and talk to them about who he is mates with and their level of mateship?

 

[00VicWard001]

You might get Smedts/Lang or you might get De Koning/Holmes. I’d rather keep pick 7.

Watch Wells/Mackie pick a kid with pick 7 that we could have gotten with 18.... then we'll see some melts.

 

[Baudolino]

Let's be real here, from Bowes' perspective he'd be pretty stupid to choose the Cats over clubs who can offer him much more immediate prospects of playing time (such as the Hawks or the Bombers). It makes very little sense for his career to come here. Hes in his mid-20s now. The guy needs to be playing.