Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Jesus some of the posters in the trade thread really lack the basic critical thinking and maths skills needed in life

All this thrashing around and trying to say with a straight face that Bowes isn’t getting what he owes is so laughable

We are rumoured to be lying $2 mil over 4 years …he was owed $1.6 from the suns …am I the only one that is scratching their head over why some poster can’t grasp simple maths equations?

 

[catempire]

In concept ..I think the draft needs to be revised. Im not sure it fits with the modern mindset. People are different now than when it was introduced. No other draft picks kids like we do... and trying to ignore players desires is only sandbagging new orleans ..living on low land watching the water rise.

But whats the alternative. How can you stop players wanting to play for certain clubs. How can you encourage them to play for others. Most of the players are happy to just get a list spot...its not them that cause the consternation. Its the R1 picks, the talented players. JHF, Henry, Bruhn etc. etc. Money? Maybe but everyone is earning good money..just not silly money.

The issue I believe is its a disproportionate experience. How can playing for the Pies compare to Gold Coast or North or to Geelong etc. Kids growing dreaming of what ist going to be like.


Can Money compensate for the difference.? Some sort of loyaty bonus to stay with the club that drafted you? Perhaps the kids should get serious money from day 1... and more at the bottoms sides? I dont know.

My belief is that the non preferred clubs would have more appeal to players in their second part of their career...if they got what they wanted in their first yet Bowes is coming to us now.
Someone like Zac Guthrie..who is now a flag winner..should be an ideal recruit ..his chance to set himself up.

Part of it is in our culture its winners..and 17 losers. No players wants to finish up without playing finals and hopefully win a flag.


Thank heavens its not my problem... and why would we want to change it atm. I waited all my life to see Geelong win a flag , now I have seen 4 in 15 years. I took my son in law to the GF this year ..and I think he is a convert now, he would never have a chance to see the superbowl back in his home country. Its just a fact for us to win , others have to lose.. and what most of the belly aching is about is because they liked it better in the 70's and 80-'s when it was us doing the loosing.

I have seen the argument made in the last few days that we should just do away with the draft and keep the salary cap as the main equalisation measure, ala the NRL.

I’m not sure that’s any better a solution for the likes of North and the Gold Coast. They will potentially be even more exposed to overpaying for talent.

I think if Geelong pulls this off there will be change in some direction, not sure how. Perhaps limiting trading/FAs for successful clubs.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I am finding BF very slow to load ...anyone else have the same problem?

Same here server must be overloaded.

 

[Vdubs]

Great we got this Bowes player, but can anyone explain why GC weren't allowed to alter his contract like we are doing? Paying his fee over 4 years instead of 2? GC look inept in giving massive contracts and backending them, but will they ever be able to keep players? And then adding the #7 ... It seems unfair even to a Cats fan that we are the beneficiaries of this.

 

[dangerwood]

Watched footage of Jhye Clark again and I'm a bit more keen, genuinely as hard as a cats head, this kid will just try his guts out. Not sure he will star but he won't die wondering.

Bailey Humphrey, great in traffic, fantastic side step, can not kick!

 

[Strange Cat]

Same here server must be overloaded.

The hamsters are dead

 

[Strange Cat]

Great we got this Bowes player, but can anyone explain why GC weren't allowed to alter his contract like we are doing? Paying his fee over 4 years instead of 2? GC look inept in giving massive contracts and backending them, but will they ever be able to keep players? And then adding the #7 ... It seems unfair even to a Cats fan that we are the beneficiaries of this.

They were , Bowes just didn’t want to sign a new contract with them as he only had 2 years left on the exisiting contract

 

[catempire]

Fully expecting us to use 7 to draft someone nobodies heard of with a long injury history from some obscure country league through sheer muscle memory of never being present this high in the draft.

The second youngest of four boys from the Bendigo region with question marks over his knees will do just nicely.

 

[Turbocat]

Jesus some of the posters in the trade thread really lack the basic critical thinking and maths skills needed in life

All this thrashing around and trying to say with a straight face that Bowes isn’t getting what he owes is so laughable

We are rumoured to be lying $2 mil over 4 years …he was owed $1.6 from the suns …am I the only one that is scratching their head over why some poster can’t grasp simple maths equations?

Im sure there is some fancy name for it... but I do not think they do not want to concede that it might be right.


If they want to change the rules great. Imo.... if a club adjusts a contract like GC did... they should morally have to pay out what they are owned before they are traded. but thats not the way the world works. We are agreeing to take his money off their cap. Thats what the deal is about. It gets complicated due to the fact that Gold Coast is sort of like the child of the afl.


If the afl don't like it change the system. The draft doesnt work... lets go back to zones.... so Sam Walsh etc etc. come to us and they still would not be happy.

 

[dangerwood]

Great we got this Bowes player, but can anyone explain why GC weren't allowed to alter his contract like we are doing? Paying his fee over 4 years instead of 2? GC look inept in giving massive contracts and backending them, but will they ever be able to keep players? And then adding the #7 ... It seems unfair even to a Cats fan that we are the beneficiaries of this.

I think they had been altering, that was the problem, they've kept altering it until it's got to 1.6 for two years. I assume they could do it again but Bowes might have been fed up. I think Gold Coast have also identified that he isn't part of their plans so even adding more years onto his contract, they are just spending money on dead weight.

 

[catempire]

In my view you cannot play Menegola and Duncan in the same side (other than in the depths of winter). They are just too slow. There is only room for one of them.

Wild take. They’ve played in about 100 games together for about 70 wins!

 

[Sticksman]

Great we got this Bowes player, but can anyone explain why GC weren't allowed to alter his contract like we are doing? Paying his fee over 4 years instead of 2? GC look inept in giving massive contracts and backending them, but will they ever be able to keep players? And then adding the #7 ... It seems unfair even to a Cats fan that we are the beneficiaries of this.

GC can't alter his contract without agreement from the player. Maybe the player refused such a request.

GC have no say in how Geelong and the player structure a contract.

 

[Kitcat]

Wont happen as gc are only gonna take 1-2 picks like us this year they want future 2nd

I do agree next year we will have a few retirements and it would be nice to have at least 1 pick in 1st 2 rounds but we might trade a player or picks next year to get back in 2023 draft.

And what free agents are available next year?

 

[And_ROOS]

Same here server must be overloaded.

Broken from all the Triggies and Hawfie melts over the last day.

 

[Turbocat]

Great we got this Bowes player, but can anyone explain why GC weren't allowed to alter his contract like we are doing? Paying his fee over 4 years instead of 2? GC look inept in giving massive contracts and backending them, but will they ever be able to keep players? And then adding the #7 ... It seems unfair even to a Cats fan that we are the beneficiaries of this.

If Bowes agreed to it they probably could...but why should he?

If he signed a contract worth 550 by 4 or 5 years. then they come to him. and ask to do the right thing by the club and change 2 years to to 250,250 and we pay you the rest later...so he agrees... and is now owed 600 based on the first contract.

I think Collingwood adjusted Treloar multiple times till it get unsustainable. There should be some sort of penalaity for a club for asking a player ton accept the adjustment and then not liking it when it was due..


Geelong say to him your base it much more than what we say you are worth. We see you as a 400 player... and we pay you the 600 you are owed over 4 years 150 a year.


I doubt Bowes was staying at Gold Coast for that lower base when every man and his dog seems to be on an inflated contract.

 

[catempire]

Great we got this Bowes player, but can anyone explain why GC weren't allowed to alter his contract like we are doing? Paying his fee over 4 years instead of 2? GC look inept in giving massive contracts and backending them, but will they ever be able to keep players? And then adding the #7 ... It seems unfair even to a Cats fan that we are the beneficiaries of this.

They could have negotiated that with Bowes but it doesn’t achieve what they want. They want to clear his salary entirely so they can front load some contracts now and make space in future for stars like Rowell and players they hope to bring in.

 

[00VicWard001]

I would have said yes before the finals but Miers went you another level in the finals. Surprised the crap out of me as did Kolo…

These guys (and Stanley and Rohan) had a point to prove against the terrible opinions of supporters. They showed that they are actually excellent footballers and gave those who doubted them a big FU.

 

[moond0g]

In concept ..I think the draft needs to be revised. Im not sure it fits with the modern mindset. People are different now than when it was introduced. No other draft picks kids like we do... and trying to ignore players desires is only sandbagging new orleans ..living on low land watching the water rise.

But whats the alternative. How can you stop players wanting to play for certain clubs. How can you encourage them to play for others. Most of the players are happy to just get a list spot...its not them that cause the consternation. Its the R1 picks, the talented players. JHF, Henry, Bruhn etc. etc. Money? Maybe but everyone is earning good money..just not silly money.

The issue I believe is its a disproportionate experience. How can playing for the Pies compare to Gold Coast or North or to Geelong etc. Kids growing dreaming of what ist going to be like.


Can Money compensate for the difference.? Some sort of loyaty bonus to stay with the club that drafted you? Perhaps the kids should get serious money from day 1... and more at the bottoms sides? I dont know.

My belief is that the non preferred clubs would have more appeal to players in their second part of their career...if they got what they wanted in their first yet Bowes is coming to us now.
Someone like Zac Guthrie..who is now a flag winner..should be an ideal recruit ..his chance to set himself up.

Part of it is in our culture its winners..and 17 losers. No players wants to finish up without playing finals and hopefully win a flag.


Thank heavens its not my problem... and why would we want to change it atm. I waited all my life to see Geelong win a flag , now I have seen 4 in 15 years. I took my son in law to the GF this year ..and I think he is a convert now, he would never have a chance to see the superbowl back in his home country. Its just a fact for us to win , others have to lose.. and what most of the belly aching is about is because they liked it better in the 70's and 80-'s when it was us doing the loosing.

I think the draft itself needs to stay, but you're right about talent not being evenly distributed. FA hasn't helped, it's clearly benefitted the strong clubs. gun players in their prime can now walk to the top clubs, and often for a bit less than they would receive elsewhere. Whereas clubs like GC, North etc. only attract honest journeymen that are trying to ensure some extra longevity in the game. It also means that the poor clubs have to pay more to retain their players to stop them being poached as free agents. This is why GC are in cap trouble and giving away pick 7 for nothing, even though they're not successful. The same with GWS after paying overs for Kelly, Whitfield, Coniglio etc.

I think 3 year contracts for first round draftees will and should happen soon. A loyalty bonus isn't the worst idea, but would have to be paid by the AFL outside the cap, otherwise the bottom clubs would have to manage this in their current cap which is already bulging from paying more to retain talent.

Something probably needs to happen to make things more equitable and stop having perennial feeder clubs at the bottom. But like you said, glad it's not my job. And in the meantime I'm going to enjoy Geelong staying at the top for as long as possible.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Any idea how quickly we can acquire a FR2 pick from another club so that frees us up to do the Bowes trade? Obviously we can't trade our existing FR2 if we are trading out our FR1 (Bruhn).

Something tells me Sav is the key to us getting a FR2 pick. Sav and bundling up some of this year's third round picks to get us that FR2 to secure Bowes and pick 7.

 

[Kyuss]

GC can't alter his contract without agreement from the player. Maybe the player refused such a request.

GC have no say in how Geelong and the player structure a contract.

Shhh.. keep the "It's all an AFL conspiracy to help Geelong" talk alive

Correct response is the AFL denied GC any further options of altering his contract and demanded they give up pick 7 allowing Hocking to swoop in a clean up. Happy days.

 

[thejester]

I have seen the argument made in the last few days that we should just do away with the draft and keep the salary cap as the main equalisation measure, ala the NRL.

I’m not sure that’s any better a solution for the likes of North and the Gold Coast. They will potentially be even more exposed to overpaying for talent.

I think if Geelong pulls this off there will be change in some direction, not sure how. Perhaps limiting trading/FAs for successful clubs.

You reckon that is legally sustainable?

 

[CatTricks]

We should try and coax Will Gould out of the Swans now for shits and giggles

 

[Turbocat]

I have seen the argument made in the last few days that we should just do away with the draft and keep the salary cap as the main equalisation measure, ala the NRL.

I’m not sure that’s any better a solution for the likes of North and the Gold Coast. They will potentially be even more exposed to overpaying for talent.

I think if Geelong pulls this off there will be change in some direction, not sure how. Perhaps limiting trading/FAs for successful clubs.

Basically I feel like there are plenty of flaws in the afl... but I have not heard or seen an obviously better system. Having said that ..Im nota NRL head...so I really do not know their system..apart from what we hear

I still believe that more players available . FA should be almost when a player is OOC and a bigger sal cap based on ladder position world gradually persuade players..especially at the end of careers.


Limiting trades and FA ..would that run into legal issues? I can only assume it is... how it is... because it is a blend of legal conformance and trying to maintain an equal comp.

 

[year of the cat]

Any idea how quickly we can acquire a FR2 pick from another club so that frees us up to do the Bowes trade? Obviously we can't trade our existing FR2 if we are trading out our FR1 (Bruhn).

Something tells me Sav is the key to us getting a FR2 pick. Sav and bundling up some of this year's third round picks to get us that FR2 to secure Bowes and pick 7.

I’d assume we will prioritize the Bowes trade then look to trade back into next years R2 in order to facilitate the Bruhn trade. Hoping that Bowes drops today.

 

[Kitcat]

I think the draft itself needs to stay, but you're right about talent not being evenly distributed. FA hasn't helped, it's clearly benefitted the strong clubs. gun players in their prime can now walk to the top clubs, and often for a bit less than they would receive elsewhere. Whereas clubs like GC, North etc. only attract honest journeymen that are trying to ensure some extra longevity in the game. It also means that the poor clubs have to pay more to retain their players to stop them being poached as free agents. This is why GC are in cap trouble and giving away pick 7 for nothing, even though they're not successful. The same with GWS after paying overs for Kelly, Whitfield, Coniglio etc.

I think 3 year contracts for first round draftees will and should happen soon. A loyalty bonus isn't the worst idea, but would have to be paid by the AFL outside the cap, otherwise the bottom clubs would have to manage this in their current cap which is already bulging from paying more to retain talent.

Something probably needs to happen to make things more equitable and stop having perennial feeder clubs at the bottom. But like you said, glad it's not my job. And in the meantime I'm going to enjoy Geelong staying at the top for as long as possible.

Three years is better. Four is too long.