Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[ShaunWDT]

Its not so much 2023 yes we will make do there its more 2025 (remember drafted talls need time to develop).
By 2025 sdk henry kolo jezza (at 33) conway neale (if he doesnt go home before then) plus maybe blitz at 35 will be the only talls on the list of 46 so we need some more genuine talls.

Just dont think its a list priority when we have SDK,Henry and Kolo as the core for another 5 or 6 years easily, they are rightly addressing the needs they need to fill now.

 

[Mr Meow]

In concept ..I think the draft needs to be revised. Im not sure it fits with the modern mindset. People are different now than when it was introduced. No other draft picks kids like we do... and trying to ignore players desires is only sandbagging new orleans ..living on low land watching the water rise.

But whats the alternative. How can you stop players wanting to play for certain clubs. How can you encourage them to play for others. Most of the players are happy to just get a list spot...its not them that cause the consternation. Its the R1 picks, the talented players. JHF, Henry, Bruhn etc. etc. Money? Maybe but everyone is earning good money..just not silly money.

The issue I believe is its a disproportionate experience. How can playing for the Pies compare to Gold Coast or North or to Geelong etc. Kids growing dreaming of what ist going to be like.


Can Money compensate for the difference.? Some sort of loyaty bonus to stay with the club that drafted you? Perhaps the kids should get serious money from day 1... and more at the bottoms sides? I dont know.

My belief is that the non preferred clubs would have more appeal to players in their second part of their career...if they got what they wanted in their first yet Bowes is coming to us now.
Someone like Zac Guthrie..who is now a flag winner..should be an ideal recruit ..his chance to set himself up.

Part of it is in our culture its winners..and 17 losers. No players wants to finish up without playing finals and hopefully win a flag.


Thank heavens its not my problem... and why would we want to change it atm. I waited all my life to see Geelong win a flag , now I have seen 4 in 15 years. I took my son in law to the GF this year ..and I think he is a convert now, he would never have a chance to see the superbowl back in his home country. Its just a fact for us to win , others have to lose.. and what most of the belly aching is about is because they liked it better in the 70's and 80-'s when it was us doing the loosing.

I take your points but at least there is still a salary cap and draft. Successful clubs in the free agency era have a sprinkling of factors that can stop an inevitable decline and motivate one to "fight the system". This simply keeps clubs fighting for success or prolonging success - it may pay off or may backfire badly, that's the interesting part - so that it's not just a cycle of one off flag sides that then sink down the ladder.

I'm all for measures of equalisation but it's better to have nuances and subtleties within there. This still isn't world football where one team is 10,000x richer and more prestigious than others for decades at a time, with no draft system and the top sides get their own production line academies on top of it all.

Clubs that find themselves disadvantaged will continue to receive support and against the odds, need to find a way to get back to relevancy and competitiveness. The AFL decided on GWS and Gold Coast, it has to live with the risk they don't take a foothold by now (GWS still got close). As for other clubs that are still struggling to make finals let alone win flags, molly coddling them too much interferes with the integrity of the league.

 

[CatRiot]

Excited for the draft and keen for more vision of the top 10 prospects to come out.

One thing on Clark - the vision out there doesn’t excite me that much… a little too L Fogarty for mine. But maybe it’s just a poor game.

Wardlaw looks elite but how do you miss a whole yr from a hammy…

He's better than Fogarty.
He's quite ruthless tbh. Will be interesting to see his combine results.
I prefer Humphrey, given the type of players we already have, and especially if we get Bruhn.
Busslinger might be a solid pick too.

I think the club will take the risk with Kolo and SDK, to be the back spine, with Henry and Blitz as the backup talls. I think they will try to add the best available and most likely to push spots for 2023, so they can have another crack again before Tomahawk, I Smith, Z Tuohy all go.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Is cockatoo still at Brisbane?

I think so.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

We should make them pay half of his salary.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Theres plenty of talls mooted for the 2023 and 2024 drafts and we should be pretty pick heavy with retirements, that will be where we look to top up that area for mine.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Theres plenty of talls mooted for the 2023 and 2024 drafts and we should be pretty pick heavy with retirements, that will be where we look to top up that area for mine.

True .

Bowes could take 2e role of half back n wing like he's played at ...at suns.

Young H ..Rohan replacement.

Tanner ...mid fwd role .

The side will look alot different in 3 years .

 

[Leeds17]

He's better than Fogarty.
He's quite ruthless tbh. Will be interesting to see his combine results.
I prefer Humphrey, given the type of players we already have, and especially if we get Bruhn.
Busslinger might be a solid pick too.

I think the club will take the risk with Kolo and SDK, to be the back spine, with Henry and Blitz as the backup talls. I think they will try to add the best available and most likely to push spots for 2023, so they can have another crack again before Tomahawk, I Smith, Z Tuohy all go.

I’m pretty big on Humphrey & I think if there’s a Danger/Petracca in this draft good chance it’s him right down to the awful kicking ,

 

[catstragic]

Fully expecting us to use 7 to draft someone nobodies heard of with a long injury history from some obscure country league through sheer muscle memory of never being present this high in the draft.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Bews SDK Tuohy


Yeah we have a lot of impending retirements but also a lot of untapped potential on the sidelines, of lot of which is still quite young. If we get Clarke with pick 7 then I suspect 2023-25 could be about KPF and KPF. Still need another key back and we need a gun tall forward to replace Hawkins and/or Cameron. Neale isn't enough on his own.

I think that will only be an issue in 2 years time-

Blicavs - Rohan - Danger -Stanley - Smith - theve still got their pace and speed

I think in 2 years time i think thats when the retirements might bite - but this time next season - i think those players will still be ok - thus the next 2 seasons - try to grab a couple more flags

 

[Live in hope]

Landing Bowes and pick 7 ! Another amazing day in this amazing year.

Only concern I have with this is the money -

• we will need to keep some decent sal cap room to preserve our younger star - we have some absolute priority retains that might need huge money to stave off other clubs in a year or two - SDK is my main worry (Blues will throw huge money at him IMO, with joining brother at Blues also a draw card. Think he was a Blues supporter in his youth?)
• wonder if some of our younger premiership players on small dollars (rookie listed or otherwise) will be miffed by Bowes coming in for $1.2m, even if it is now spread over 4 years.

 

[CatRiot]

Are the Blues after Busslinger to move up the draft order from Pick 10?

 

[CatRiot]

Landing Bowes and pick 7 ! Another amazing day in this amazing year.

Only concern I have with this is the money -

• we will need to keep some decent sal cap room to preserve our younger star - we have some absolute priority retains that might need huge money to stave off other clubs in a year or two - SDK is my main worry (Blues will throw huge money at him IMO, with joining brother at Blues also a draw card. Think he was a Blues supporter in his youth?)
• wonder if some of our younger premiership players on small dollars (rookie listed or otherwise) will be miffed by Bowes coming in for $1.2m, even if it is now spread over 4 years.

He'll be on around 450k-525k pa over 4 years, is my best guess.... I doubt it will rock the boat much.

 

[Stokey]

Landing Bowes and pick 7 ! Another amazing day in this amazing year.

Only concern I have with this is the money -

• we will need to keep some decent sal cap room to preserve our younger star - we have some absolute priority retains that might need huge money to stave off other clubs in a year or two - SDK is my main worry (Blues will throw huge money at him IMO, with joining brother at Blues also a draw card. Think he was a Blues supporter in his youth?)
• wonder if some of our younger premiership players on small dollars (rookie listed or otherwise) will be miffed by Bowes coming in for $1.2m, even if it is now spread over 4 years.

We are just paying Bowes what he is owed from GC. Not what we think he is worth. I think players can see the difference.

 

[CatRiot]

We are just paying Bowes what he is owed from GC. Not what we think he is worth. I think players can see the difference.

And that's another good point... His existing deal was back ended, so you'd say he is owed money already, we are just taking that on.

 

[jnrburger]

Don’t want to hand 18 to pies for Henry. Rather trade up later picks into early 20s and give them that as our best offer.

That way we can use two first round picks in the draft this year (7&18), be able to trade 2023 R1 in Bruhn deal, and still have ability to trade 2024 R1 for TDK as he comes out of contract at Carlton end of next year.

Might not be able to do all of this without offloading Sav for a future pick (or as part of bruhn trade for something back).


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[catstragic]

We are just paying Bowes what he is owed from GC. Not what we think he is worth. I think players can see the difference.

This. 150% confident the team will understand why he is getting comparative overs. Expect he may get left with the tab more than once though

 

[catstragic]

Don’t want to hand 18 to pies for Henry. Rather trade up later picks into early 20s and give them that as our best offer.

That way we can use two first round picks in the draft this year (7&18), be able to trade 2023 R1 in Bruhn deal, and still have ability to trade 2024 R1 for TDK as he comes out of contract at Carlton end of next year.

Might not be able to do all of this without offloading Sav for a future pick (or as part of bruhn trade for something back).


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I think we may have gone that route if we didn't get Bowes, but with pick 7 in the bank I'm sure we just send pick 18 and get it done. It's arguably close to a fair price, and helps our rep for being to easy to deal with and supporting friendly player movements into the club. That reputation is worth at least second rounder each trade season IMO on aggregate outcome over the years.

 

[Shadow89]

Don’t want to hand 18 to pies for Henry. Rather trade up later picks into early 20s and give them that as our best offer.

That way we can use two first round picks in the draft this year (7&18), be able to trade 2023 R1 in Bruhn deal, and still have ability to trade 2024 R1 for TDK as he comes out of contract at Carlton end of next year.

Might not be able to do all of this without offloading Sav for a future pick (or as part of bruhn trade for something back).


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We'd be able to trade our 2024 R1 anyway, as we'd still be using a pick this year along with 2020 - Max Holmes

4 year period, 2 first rounders in that time need to be taken to trade a Future 1st.

2020 - Max Holmes
2021 - N/A
2022 - Jhye Clark (for example)
2023 - Trade Future 1st for TDK
2024 - No 1st round pick and prevented from trading 2025 Future 1st, in accordance with trading rules - as only Jhye Clark taken within the last 4 years

 

[Strange Cat]

We should make them pay half of his salary.

If that option was available then pick 7 wouldn’t be on the table , that’s the compensation for taking his extreme salary off GC’s books

 

[bombersboy]

I think your being a bit hard on Sam Menengola - he is the unlucky Geelong player in this premiership without a doubt

If he had been sub( and he was most likely the next in line ) - and for sake of the arguement - say Guthrie does his hamstring at 3qtr time

Then in my opinion Sam M would have had an absolute picnic in that last qtr - in my opinion 10-12 possessions and maybe a couple of goals - because he racks up the possessions - is a thumping kick - and kicks goals

In my view you cannot play Menegola and Duncan in the same side (other than in the depths of winter). They are just too slow. There is only room for one of them.

 

[ShaunWDT]

In my view you cannot play Menegola and Duncan in the same side (other than in the depths of winter). They are just too slow. There is only room for one of them.

In what world are either of those guys slow? Not sure I agree on that one.

 

[bombersboy]

I bet he does. Just as good an endurance athlete as Miers and he’s only 2 years removed from being named in the AA 40 man squad as a high half forward. If he’s 100% he’s a better and more versatile player.

Based on this year he is also 75% slower than Miers. His drop off in pace is his biggest negative

 

[dazbroncos]

When it’s wet outside he likes staring out the window at the rain ………. Bowes.

Apologies to all


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Yup.. one bridge too far

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[dazbroncos]

‘It’s causing a lot of consternation among a lot of clubs’

In this trade period special episode of the Real Footy podcast, Peter Ryan and Marnie Vinall wrap the third day of action and discuss Jack Bowes’ decision to pick Geelong as his new home.

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Already discussing how to handicap Geelong from being attractive to players. Wow.

Seems no one cared when we had no picks outside 15… no one cared about Rohan for pick 61… everyone laughed at us for Jezza for 3 x rd 1.. and even PFD when we got him.
We’ve paid overs for most people and no one said Geelong need to be handicapped.

Now we win a flag after being close for so long and the crying begins.
I’m sure there will be changes to rules now and we’ll adapt to them too.
I know I’ll always remember this period of growth and success at Geelong as nothing short of brilliant. We are certainly the greatest team of all - about time everyone else accepted it.

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