Review Good/Bad/Ugly vs Richmond, R5 2022

[Mutineer]

Ugly!

 

[Hodgy]

The Frampton critics are completely missing the point.

The worrying thing isn't that Frampton was bad, it's that he was good.

Sure, he had those few moments where he panicked, flubbed short passes, fumbled under pressure. But there was only a handful of those moments and when he gets time and space to deliver the ball he's very good.

Overall his game was okay. Coaches love a reinvented player because it reflects well on them. Add in McAsey & Murray's less than stellar form and Billy is now ensconced.

It's only against the best teams and on the biggest stages that weakness are truly exposed. We're not going to be on that stage for years. No one is expecting us to win now so mistakes aren't any big deal. They carry minimal weight. It will take the coaches YEARS to discover that Billy isn't good enough when the heat is on. By then he'll have banked experience too so will be undroppable plus because he's a permanent fixture we won't have developed anyone else.

Billy's good performances are terrifying. Will set us back a decade.

I really don’t see how anyone can say that after playing only 4 games in defense.
Billy is basically the same height as O’Brien. How many fumbles and missed kicks would you get if you tried playing him as a KPD? if that was a new kid that played that game tonight, 4 games into his career, then everyone would be raving about it. There were some great one on one spoils, he was close to his man all night, he played in front, and that 50 meter bullet to McAdam was something that you just never see from a 200cm player.

 

[Redleg Crow]

From reading this you would think Frampton lost the game for us

 

[ringo200]

Himmelberg playing great and taking his marks, just doesn’t one grab them though always juggles them. Gives defenders a chance. Has always had a great snap on him for someone that size

 

[CrowBloke]

And I haven't rubbished Frampton's game completely, but just from a quick 5 minute scan you've got these all leading to Richmond goals


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Hmmmm , so FOUR Richmond goals from Frampton clangers.

You payin' attention, Hodgy ??

 

[cleanhands]

Ugly!

I need to watch it again didn’t think there was a lot in it

 

[jenny61_99]

33,000 at Adelaide Oval.

 

[Vader]

Kicks over 40m that go to a 50 50 contest are efficient, not any kick over 40m, IIRC.

Fair enough... point remains though. Many of his disposals were long kicks which resulted in turnovers - so: efficient turnovers which padded his metres gained.

 

[Vader]

If they're kicked to the Oppo they aren't effective

They are if they're kicked to a 50/50, and result in a turnover.

 

[Hodgy]

Hmmmm , so FOUR Richmond goals from Frampton clangers.

You payin' attention, Hodgy ??

OK, I get it, you hate Billy.
He could get 30 touches and torch his opponent and you would still find fault. I think you had better get used to him though, I think he’s destined for a long career.

 

[Vader]

From reading this you would think Frampton lost the game for us

We won the game despite his best efforts to lose it. Full credit to the rest of the team, that they carried him across the line with them.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

OK, I get it, you hate Billy.
He could get 30 touches and torch his opponent and you would still find fault. I think you had better get used to him though, I think he’s destined for a long career.

Lol, no chance.

 

[texanmike]

Frampton was pretty bad, I cringe every time the ball comes close to him, he has been in the AFL system for 8 years, people saying don’t be so harsh he’s new to defending - I get it but really this guy should not be fumbling and shitting himself at this point - he’s played enough games and had plenty of opportunities in his career, he just doesn’t have it and we are only persisting because we don’t have anyone doing a better job. Is borlase any good? we really need a capable 2nd KPD urgently.

 

[Scorpus]

Frampton is getting the Defense of David Mackay

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David Mackay

Age

36

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

treatment.

His baseline is so low for being "good" that when he puts in a game that is better than average for him, it's only being measured against himself, rather than a general AFL player.

It was no doubt one of Frampton's better games. But most of his games were horrible. Was he actually good overall? I didn't think so.

 

[Vader]

OK, I get it, you hate Billy.
He could get 30 touches and torch his opponent and you would still find fault. I think you had better get used to him though, I think he’s destined for a long career.

I'm sure we'd feel differently if he wasn't personally responsible for 25% of the opposition's goals.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Extreme salt on the Richmond board about umpiring. Half the posts on the first page of their autopsy are about it

Do I risk a ban...

 

[Mutineer]

I need to watch it again didn’t think there was a lot in it

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Deliberate dog act by someone who has form.

Should get at least the 2 games he is owed from 2017.

 

[CroCrow]

I agree with that. I think Frampton is okay but people are kidding themselves if they think he is actually going to be a long term player in defence in a good side. He has his moments but even if he is 10% better than a younger alternative I'd go with the younger option.

Which younger option? Are ypu implying McAsey ....which I hope you're not

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Cotchin likely to be reported for what he did to Walker?

He's protected like Selwood. If Toby Greene did it, he'd get 3 weeks.

 

[CroCrow]

33,000 at Adelaide Oval.

Whats happened to the crowds. Have all the older members given up their membership due to covid. A few years ago crowds were always 40k plus

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Whats happened to the crowds. Have all the older members given up their membership due to covid. A few years ago crowds were always 40k plus

Usually lower crowds at Easter as many are away on holidays.

 

[CrowToon]

Good:

With the exception of the Pies game we have put up a winning score every game. This continued emphatically today. A crows outfit on another day we may have capitulated after giving up the lead. We won that game comprehensively.

Bad:

Bolton's sense of entitlement.


Ugly:

Frampton & ROB. Good moments here and there will paper over their enormouse issues and both had a hand in costing us multiple goals today. No I will not relent.

 

[Dangarman]

You'll have to ask Champion Data about that

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Not sure here, but it looks like he had 27 possessions (4+17+6), and managed to turn 22 of them into a disposal; 17 effectively.
5 disposals turned over, 5 possessions turned over without disposal?
17/22 = 77% efficiency
27 possessions - 10 turnovers = 17 effective disposals

 

[ThePrideOf]

Give Hamish his due, Rachelle looks like he's the player of the draft

Rachele is a gun! Said it from before round 1! Dwayne agrees today lol