Review Good/Bad vs Brisbane, R22 2023

[weekend at bernies]

For the amount of stoggapes he attends you'd think Laird could win a few clearances.

 

[BlackGun1]

You noticed they stopped talking about him in the fourth?

It's because he disappeared from the game.

Got smacked in the head at the start of the 4th and sat a good 10 mins off... bit harsh IMO

 

[rabidcrow]

Don’t have an issue, more of an issue with Smith. Plays an unaccountable game while more responsibility seems to fall on juniors.

I reckon he would be playing the role he is asked to. And doing it pretty well most weeks


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[rabidcrow]

Did he?

Maybe my memory is failing me but I don’t recall that

Has said on the radio a couple of times when reviewing Crows this year - not sure he said it in the old days


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[rabidcrow]

It’s fair to say that the form of:

Keane
Crouch
Nankervis
Borlase

Has come as a total shock and surprise to the coaching group. Otherwise they’d all have played earlier.

They are right under their noses and it took a run of injuries to give them a sniff.

Borlase was never getting in front of all of Murray Keane and Butts

Keane could have got a game earlier but did start preseason quite late. May well have not been ready pre bye - or the coaches were conservative and preferred Butts. Either is quite possible

Nank - whose spot was he taking in the back half? With all due respect Hinge Milera Max have all been excellent, so has Worrell since he came in and he wasn’t likely to get selected in front of Doedee until injury

And let’s not even go there on Crouch. Most on this board wrote him off two years ago and were spewing we gave him a contract extension


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[rabidcrow]

You noticed they stopped talking about him in the fourth?

It's because he disappeared from the game.

Went off for blood rule after getting kneed in the head? Should have got a free. Bit rough to bag him for that!




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[Jars458]

Only watched the first quarter, but a poor miss from Tex, a dropped chest mark from Soligo and a shocking turnover from Sloane meant we were not 5-6 goals up like we should have been. Inconsistent performance and crucial poor mistakes. The potential clearly there though which makes it all the more frustrrating.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I remember us going over to Perth back in 2001 needing to beat Freo to get a home final.

Up until that game Freo were 1-20, it was once again "a game that we'd never lose" and we ended up getting beaten by 7-8 goals and played like garbage.

We have form with this sort of stuff.

You had to go back 22 years to get an example .....we have form ??

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's not Milera and Smith's "roles" that don't make them a possible match up for Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

.

It's because they can't

They lack the ability, therefore we don't ask them to. Instead they get given something else to do that they can succeed in.

Ability (and lack of ability) defines your role, not the other way around

 

[Mutineer]

Hmmmm
So who was the leading Crows player in the Coaches votes AGAIN!!!

 

[Danger in Texas]

Hmmmm
So who was the leading Crows player in the Coaches votes AGAIN!!!

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McCluggage/Cameron
Andrews/McCluggage
Dawson/Andrews
Crouch/Crouch
Keays/McAdam

Wonder which coach gave Cameron BOG

 

[rocket18]

So which of the next 2 eminently winnable games, that we will start clear favourites in, will we lose to kiss finals?

This whole season has been stained by inexplicable losses that have undone our progress.

It’s almost giving off a 2015 smell.

Its the same old thing, we look a million dollars in games where we are the underdog.

As soon as there is expectation of a win that is when the old clacker tightens up.

Been that way for a long long time.

 

[CrowBloke]

Its the same old thing, we look a million dollars in games where we are the underdog.

It's a pattern, for sure. Frustrating/confusing as all hell.

As soon as there is expectation of a win that is when the old clacker tightens up.

I think it's heavily reliant on the "expectation of a win".
The Crows have two game styles (based on attitude/expectation and who they're playing).
1) when playing against a mid-tier or lower-level team either before, or during a game when they get up to 4 or 5 goals up, they think "We're going to win this" or "We've got this". Along those lines.
I'm not a mind-reader, I'm guessing, and it happens often enough to be a thing.

That thought or expectation is the killer, because it causes mental relaxation. When all but the hopeless teams (NM and WCE this year) inevitably fight back, the Crows get found out. They stop doing what they've been doing to get ahead and several teams have piled on 5 up to nine goals against them, which is enough for them to lose, or struggle to win.
The Rounds 1 and 2 losses are good examples of mental relaxation (compounded in R1 by the heat and in R2 by residual tiredness).
2) When playing against teams in the Top 4 to 6, they get themselves up mentally for a 4-quarter fight/effort and play consistently harder. They lift their KPI levels, their effort, their pressure/tackling, everything. The 2 Showdown wins and games vs Collingwood (twice), Geelong, Brisbane and Melbourne are proof of that, and lately with depleted squads.

The Crows need to play that SECOND style, every game, every week.
The mindset is "This is a must-win game. We have to win this game", regardless of opposition, regardless of venue, regardless of conditions, regardless of the opponent's ladder position etc.
Leigh Matthews/ Neil Kerley/ Clarko/ Chris Scott/ Hardwick and others had that mindset, week after week, and all had multiple successes from it.

It's the Coaches' job to get the players to focus on winning the game ahead, on the day --- after that, Ladder position/contending for the Flag takes care of itself.
It's one of their biggest challenges.
I agree with posters who say we need another strong mid with very good to elite skills, retire Sloane, get more games into the kids, better goalkicking/conversion etc, but we could've played finals this year with the cattle we've got with a clearly-focussed win-this-game mindset.
Imagine if the Crows played every game like it was a Showdown!!

 

[MRB37]

Hmmmm
So who was the leading Crows player in the Coaches votes AGAIN!!!

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The fact that so many places put Laird as BOG for the Crows makes me question if they looked at anything other than the box score at the end of the game.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yep I said it a couple of weeks ago, that West Coast game has red flags all over it.

To me if we're playing the make the finals and we go over there with everything to play for and lose there will be no excuses that can justify it.

Imo, beating West Coast is the least of our concerns for making finals... compared to beating a quality side in the Swans & other results going our way.

 

[Slippery Pete]

It’s almost giving off a 1999-2022 smell.

Fixed that for you Colonel

 

[Slippery Pete]

Has said on the radio a couple of times when reviewing Crows this year - not sure he said it in the old days


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I was going to say that it doesn’t sound like the Blight of old.

Sounds more like Neil Craig.

 

[refused_]

Any mention of this?

 

[MRB37]

Sloane got most of his CBA minutes in the 3rd term, we lose centre clearances 8-3, stoppage clearances we lose 9-7, Brisbane kick 7 goals to 4. We were +2 in centre clearances and +7 in stoppage clearances in the other 3 quarters.

 

[rocket18]

Sloane got most of his CBA minutes in the 3rd term, we lose centre clearances 8-3, stoppage clearances we lose 9-7, Brisbane kick 7 goals to 4. We were +2 in centre clearances and +7 in stoppage clearances in the other 3 quarters.

In the gameday thread one poster suggested Sloane had a great 3rd quarter

AFL stats: 3 kicks, 1 handball and 2 turnovers.

Shame no one close to Rory have told him a few home truths, we know Nicks isn't up to it.

The bar has gotten so low for Rory, it's quite sad in a way.

 

[Mattrox]

Sloane got most of his CBA minutes in the 3rd term, we lose centre clearances 8-3, stoppage clearances we lose 9-7, Brisbane kick 7 goals to 4. We were +2 in centre clearances and +7 in stoppage clearances in the other 3 quarters.

Quite likely, this is in the game review he had today. And is reflected in the offer the club has in front of him.



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[GreyCrow]

Quite likely, this is in the game review he had today.

This is correct

And is reflected in the offer the club has in front of him.

This review changes nothing of the contract in front of him. He already had the contract in front of him before this game

Its disingenuous to link the 2

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

In the gameday thread one poster suggested Sloane had a great 3rd quarter

AFL stats: 3 kicks, 1 handball and 2 turnovers.

Shame no one close to Rory have told him a few home truths, we know Nicks isn't up to it.

The bar has gotten so low for Rory, it's quite sad in a way.

 

[MsTopG]

Imo, beating West Coast is the least of our concerns for making finals... compared to beating a quality side in the Swans & other results going our way.

Yeah we are sitting on 11 wins. The west coast game is a formality.

 

[footy4ever]

In the gameday thread one poster suggested Sloane had a great 3rd quarter

AFL stats: 3 kicks, 1 handball and 2 turnovers.

Shame no one close to Rory have told him a few home truths, we know Nicks isn't up to it.

The bar has gotten so low for Rory, it's quite sad in a way.

How quickly the end comes especially at this age particularly straight after a year out with an ACL.

Some second half sporadic important acts veiled the overall liability. I thought there was hope earlier in the season, seeing those, but how more obvious does it have to become before the club accepts Sloane is no longer a viable option?

It's painful watching a Crow hero cling on like this. It's also painful watching the club applaud that.