Review Good/Bad vs Collingwood

[Rory Walkerfield]

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Not his only s**t move for the day

Gastro?

 

[MsTopG]

I was going to post about the same thing. The hit on Dawson with 30-odd seconds to go in the last was a killer, too.
That's not to say he would've goaled, but ... Dawson. One of the Comp's best kicks.
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Yep. Rachele missed a couple very gettable goals too. Rankine in the first, also.
At 1.8, I thought we'd get done.
The 3rd quarter was terrific but 13 in front was not gonna do it. The Pies are freakish at winning those.

Dawson wouldn't have missed. Ice in his veins.

 

[CrowBloke]

Dawson wouldn't have missed. Ice in his veins.

Yes. That's what I suggested:
"That's not to say he would've goaled, but ... Dawson. One of the Comp's best kicks."

 

[Rankine2Thilthorpe]

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Not his only s**t move for the day

Assume gastro, or IBS from physical exertion.

That’s elite/endurance sport for you, similar to throwing up, just gotta get on with it. Far more common than you’d think, unfortunate in the white shorts though.

 

[huludicidal]

Good:
Dawson - a man possessed all game. Deserved to be given a chance to get us over the line after the siren with a blatantly obvious free that apparently 4 umpires didn’t see. Last time I checked getting smashed in the face by an opponent’s hand with enough force to draw blood as you’re going for the ball is a free kick.

Tex: 15 goals in 2 weeks. Coleman is his for the taking, especially considering Carlton’s delivery to Curnow is rubbish and J Cameron is out for at least one game.

Hinge: was monstrous today. Similar to Dawson, just looked like someone who was refusing to lose (right up until we lost).

Chayce’s 2nd half was pretty epic.

Worrell is going to be a star. It’s obvious.


Bad:
Rachele - I know he’s young, but when you think back to what Josh showed us in his AFL debut, I’m just not seeing anything resembling this most weeks since about Round 5, 2022. His goalkicking has been utter trash all season, and he disappears when things get tough. Effort and intensity is not aligned to the rest of the team in most instances. Needs to pull his head in.

Sholl - those of us paying attention sadly knew exactly what Lachie was going to dish up today. It is laughable that he’s in the 22 at the expense of 1 of Cook, Nankervis or McHenry. Treacle slow, built like an 11 year old girl, can’t kick 50m, can’t tackle, can’t break tackles, can’t win one on one contests, goes missing when the intensity rises, I could go on.

Keays - had at least a dozen moments where he shat the bed. And apparently himself.

Murphy - horrid


Ugly:
Dawson having his head ripped off with 10 seconds left and not receiving a free (it’s very difficult to stay objective about something like this when it happens inside 50 in the dying seconds)

The mythical 50m penalty against Sloane. Let’s just analyse that for a moment shall we. Earlier in the game, Milera was poleaxed with a bump well after dishing off a handball - that wasn’t 50. Sloane has a little tuggywug on Daicos’ jumper after he dishes off the handball and that’s 50? If that is actually the rule (ie the rule only allows for 50 to be paid if there’s holding, rather than decking someone), then the rule is utter shit.

Remembering that the umps did exactly the same sort of shit to Collingwood when we played them at AO and they still found a way to win. They’re an amazing side, with an amazing coach, and they deserve to win the flag this year.

 

[BACCS]

Trouble is you’ll have the AA selectors mentally taking off his (hopefully) 2 x west coast hauls.

Then hopefully they take off Curnow’s as well! They are the only two key forwards to kick a big bag against the Eagles this year, so it’s still not that easy to do.

 

[BACCS]

To me he’s looking a lot better now than he did early in the season. Still not an offensive KPD at all, but has shown better movement and greater shutdown capabilities as the season has gone on

I’m pretty comfortable with our current KPD pairing for now

I thought his offensive stuff was good today, even the commentators pointed it out at one stage. Since Murray slowed down due to some injuries, he seems to have thrived as the main man again.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

If you need to sell your soul and home games to stupid venues in order to remain solvent, you should pack up as a club. Leave the big league to the big boys.

Clubs should only be able to play against other clubs who sell their home games in these dinky little towns

 

[AFC979810]

Good is we learned a valuable lesson:

Rd 7 - up by 16 at 3/4 time - lost by 1.
Rd 15 - up by 13 at 3/4 time - lost by 2.

If we are lucky enough to play Collingwood again this year - we will need to be up by more than 3 goals if we wanna win.

 

[moogerfooger]

Good is we learned a valuable lesson:

Rd 7 - up by 16 at 3/4 time - lost by 1.
Rd 15 - up by 13 at 3/4 time - lost by 2.

If we are lucky enough to play Collingwood again this year - we will need to be up by more than 3 goals if we wanna win.

That applies to the entire comp. I think the stat is for 22/23 they've won 78% of matches when behind at 3/4 time compared to league average 18%. You're not safe until the final siren goes.

 

[nummy217]

I was hoping Keays was going to put those glasses on when he was kicking for goal

Even better give them to the umpire haha

 

[Rotayjay]

I still don't understand why Collingwood insist on being behind at three quarter time. It's happening so often it's bizarre. Has any other top-2 side ever had such a large percentage of its wins from comebacks?

 

[StonesThrow]

I didn't even notice the supposed missed high free kick to Dawson

 

[maxlilly]

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Not his only s**t move for the day

Maybe he wears #2 for a reason ?

 

[The Perfect Stranger]

I'm happy to cop negative feedback for it but I reckon it's a low act to go after medical equipment so deliberately. I was a big fan of the pride Mason showed when speaking about having to wear them, i know a few young fellas who stopped playing because of the embarrassment of it. It was good to see it normalised. Funny how we are not ok with having a dig at someone's injury or pulling hair but ripping a medical aid off someone's head is ok? I get there is little risk of pain but I just think it's a bad look but maybe it's because I've experienced the pain of those young fellas and I'm a bit sensitive. As I said, I'll wear the disagreement.

Fair call. I apologize and retract my comment.

 

[The Perfect Stranger]

I didn't even notice the supposed missed high free kick to Dawson

Yeah neither did I. I didn't think there were any glaring non-decisions in the last 2 mins. Pedlar was a 50/50.

 

[dani_giuls]

This is not an umpire against Crows thing, but why do they never pay this anymore?

That kicking in danger one was bad! We were sitting up on the 4th level and it was clear as mad. Could not believe it wasnt paid!!

 

[BunjiMac]

Good is we learned a valuable lesson:

Rd 7 - up by 16 at 3/4 time - lost by 1.
Rd 15 - up by 13 at 3/4 time - lost by 2.

If we are lucky enough to play Collingwood again this year - we will need to be up by more than 3 goals if we wanna win.

No, we need to learn to hold our nerve for longer and execute when it matters most.

Execution under pressure is what talent should do.

Executing when the conditions are perfect (ala Sholl) is what we need to rid ourselves of.

 

[Crow till I die]

Agreed, my biggest problem with it was he didn’t get enough bang for his buck

Like the old bruce duall headband steal down the same end years back

 

[Crow till I die]

Good is we learned a valuable lesson:

Rd 7 - up by 16 at 3/4 time - lost by 1.
Rd 15 - up by 13 at 3/4 time - lost by 2.

If we are lucky enough to play Collingwood again this year - we will need to be up by more than 3 goals if we wanna win.

We also had more scoring shots in both games. The lesson is..stop kicking points from simple set shots

 

[footy4ever]

2.5 to 5.2, but yes to your point.

But if you don’t pay a massive whack to the face in front of goal, in a one on one contest that turns out to be the last play of the game…THAT’S the game there. Don’t diminish it.

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Exactly this.

 

[footy4ever]

I’m with you I think. Head band no issue, medical thing no go.

Agreed, but I thought his goggles were simply for seeing better. I wonder if Keayes saw them as merely that.

BTW what is the medical reason?

 

[Slippery Pete]

I'm happy to cop negative feedback for it but I reckon it's a low act to go after medical equipment so deliberately. I was a big fan of the pride Mason showed when speaking about having to wear them, i know a few young fellas who stopped playing because of the embarrassment of it. It was good to see it normalised. Funny how we are not ok with having a dig at someone's injury or pulling hair but ripping a medical aid off someone's head is ok? I get there is little risk of pain but I just think it's a bad look but maybe it's because I've experienced the pain of those young fellas and I'm a bit sensitive. As I said, I'll wear the disagreement.

Nah, toughen up.

It’s no different from targeting someone’s injury.

If you’re out there, you’re fair game, no matter what inherent disadvantage you might be running with.

Cox knows this anyway. He’s not upset about it in the slightest.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Also if someone is out there with an injury and you know about it, you are obliged to test it out.

Anyone thinking this doesn’t happen is living in a fantasy land or has never played competitive sport.

 

[CrowToon]

Nah, toughen up.

It’s no different from targeting someone’s injury.

If you’re out there, you’re fair game, no matter what inherent disadvantage you might be running with.

Cox knows this anyway. He’s not upset about it in the slightest.

Yeah I don't know if this is about toughness. You can state a position without that stuff.

But I see your perspective and acknowledge that there is a competitive advantage to be gained by epxloiting that. I just think there is a difference between exploiting someone being sore after weeks of relentless beatings playing footy and going after someone who has a genuine (and uncontrollable) medical issue. I guess we just all have our own idea of where 'the line' is. That's okay, that's democracy.

Also if someone is out there with an injury and you know about it, you are obliged to test it out.

Anyone thinking this doesn’t happen is living in a fantasy land or has never played competitive sport.

I'm not sure you are obliged, I know we have had this debate over the years in one form or another at our local club and I dont think there has ever been a total consensus for it to be considered an 'obligation' and again, I see a distinction between temporary soreness and permanent issue. Anyway, good discussion.

Also I don't think there is a need to go down the path of saying someone mustn't have played competitive sport, it's a bit of a silly line. I've been involved in my club playing and administering for over 30 years. We aren't anywhere near the AFL but it's, as I'm sure you know, the AFL to us every weekend. People are allowed differing opinions, we don't go around scrubbing names from the annals because someone's opinion doesn't meet some weird threshold of 'toughness'. That's pretty outdated and we wouldn't survive as a club if we went down that road. I'm not sure if you are involved with younger sides (I'm not assuming you aren't, I genuinely don't know) but the young blokes these days aren't, for the most part, in it for blood anymore.


Edit:
Sorry the last point to make is that whilst I'm sure Mason isn't fussed (gee he loves the fight doesnt he?) I'm looking at the broader optics. I'm thinking more about the kid at home who sees goggles ripped off and goes 'yeah nah I don't want that to make me a target'. I hate that they are sitting out when they don't need to be.