Hawks in secret Burgoyne talks back in June

[The Kipster]

Harden the **** up you pissants.

they are not pissants, as pissants though small have more courage than some of these weak dogs

 

[DanA]

Dispicable behaviour from the club that day. What is AFL coming to when players try to prevent opposition forwards from kicking goals?

Game was over, Hawks were out to a big lead and the little angry ant drops Roughhead in front of Fevola and floods the backline. Don't think too many other coaches would have done that and had Fev not been on the verge of 100 goals neither would Hawthorn.

 

[RogerC]

So, to summarise this, and most issues involving Hawthorn:

Headline: Hawthorn Does Something! Maybe!

Opposition Posters: Yeah, that'd be right. Hawthorn have a track record of maybe doing something. It's been happening for years.

Hawthorn Posters: That's not true! It's your club that maybe did something!

Opposition Posters: You are.

Hawthorn Posters: No you are.

repeat until fade

 

[RogerC]

Game was over, Hawks were out to a big lead and the little angry ant drops Roughhead in front of Fevola and floods the backline. Don't think too many other coaches would have done that and had Fev not been on the verge of 100 goals neither would Hawthorn.

And that's just laughable. You must think they're playing Auskick out there. It's only you and the CFC supporter base who believe that Fevola doesn't need to earn his 100th goal.

 

[Dr Nogood]

That's the Hawthorn way....much like the way they purposely tried to prevent Fevola kicking his 100th in a game that had no bearing.

Fevola only had the previous 21 games to kick that 1 goal, in just one of these games if he did not drop his bottom lip he might have got that one extra

 

[wholelottafun]

Where does Hawthorn find the cap space?

crawford retired after the grand final last year, next year Croad goes onto the veterans list, dew and boyle have retired this year.....so plenty left in our cap space

 

[DapperDon]

Game was over, Hawks were out to a big lead and the little angry ant drops Roughhead in front of Fevola and floods the backline. Don't think too many other coaches would have done that and had Fev not been on the verge of 100 goals neither would Hawthorn.

If Ablett misses the Brownlow by 1 vote, will you blame the team that put a hard tag on him? No freebies in AFL mate.

In regards to the thread, I'd hope as soon as Essendon heard a whimper of SB wanting out they phoned his manager asap, would be unprofessional not to.

 

[Pessimistic]

How come sydney doesnt get a mention ?

 

[Godzke]

Secret talks went something like this...

"Hey Junior Burger, what's up...come play with the Hawks next year bro?" says Brent Guerra/Stephen Gilham/Stewie Dew.

Burgoyne "yeah, ok, sounds like a plan".

I agree. Hawthorn lured Burgoyne by using plankton.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Not this shit again DanA.

Standard tactic all last year if teams got a run on, Roughy went back as an extra man until we adjusted matchups.

Roughead went back of his own volition, following 'standard' team practice.

30 seconds of play elapsed.

The runner told Roughead to return to the forward line.

In that 30 seconds, not one Blues player touched the ball forward of centre.

Just another example of the media taking the easy option (footage of Roughead running from FF to CHB) and ignoring everything that happened before, during or after the incident).

 

[DaBeast]

Cant believe this is being talked about 12 months after the fact.

No, it wasn't a dog act to drop Roughie back.

I'm pretty sure Fev missed a couple of easy ones over the course of 2008.

Why is this still an issue.

 

[RogerC]

Hey, don't ruin a good conspiracy, Simon.

In fact, I'm pretty sure the little angry ant sent Roughead to the backline after Croad got injured in the grand final. And that cost Geelong the flag!

Doing things on the field that stop the opposition from scoring is a dirty, underhanded tactic. It needs to be stamped out.

 

[jerry springer]

Hawthorn are there to look after hawthorn.

Dont see why other clubs have a problem with this philosphy.If you dont like it,dont deal with them..........

 

[sgbn77]

Hawthorn are there to look after hawthorn.

Dont see why other clubs have a problem with this philosphy.If you dont like it,dont deal with them..........

Jerry, thankyou for being the voice of reason...but damn you for taking until page 5 to join in!!!

I think when the thread descends into "yeah, you put Roughead back to stop Fev kicking goals", we realise its just a whinge thread. All the big nasty clubs have to deal with it, so we'll cop it.

 

[Hawkamania!]

That's the Hawthorn way....much like the way they purposely tried to prevent Fevola kicking his 100th in a game that had no bearing.

Game was over, Hawks were out to a big lead and the little angry ant drops Roughhead in front of Fevola and floods the backline. Don't think too many other coaches would have done that and had Fev not been on the verge of 100 goals neither would Hawthorn.

There were 21 other games in the season for Fev to kick an extra goal. Are you guys really this upset over Fev or is this really about your bitterness of losing a Grand Final?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

oh that Burgoyne

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Funny....I always thought it was the job of the coach to stop the oppostion from scoring...oh but of course, Fev needed a few more for his hundred, we shoud've just layed down.


As for these comments about clubs not wanting to deal with Hawthorn, as Hutchy pointed out earlier this week, 'suck it up and get on with it'.

 

[Neville Bartos]

That's the Hawthorn way....much like the way they purposely tried to prevent Fevola kicking his 100th in a game that had no bearing.

Preventing Fevola kicking 100 goals was exactly what we needed to knock off the arrogant cats in the big dance. If we let him kick the ton and had to deal with a second ground invasion (where there would have been no restraint and heaps of drunk supporters), the game wouldn't have finished until 1am and we would have f***ed up our finals preparation.

Plus if Fev was good enough, he wouldn't have left his run so late.

Not that this has anything to do with the topic, but it must be pointed out how hilariously stupid you are

 

[favourites]

I wouldn't read to much into it. Hawthorn have a history of wanting players but not being able to get a deal done. ie O'Keefe and Thornton.

Port are the worst team to trade with, they will want Rioli. (they wanted didak for stevens). Hawks wont give it and he will end up going to melbourne in the preseason draft.

 

[MuzzHawk]

I think everyone also forgets that we were protecting Buddy's Coleman medal chances too.
He only finished 3 goals ahead by the end of the match.

 

[Schmucta]

I'm glad Hawthorn stuff up other club's trades.
If they can't get their deals done, good. They will have less of a quality list to play with.
Beat them on the field, beat them off the field.
The competition at AFL level never sleeps boys.

Get with the program.

And that right there is where the poor form comes in.

Fine if you don't want the trades, you don't have to accept, but to leave it to the last moment of trade week so other deals cannot be brokered is why Hawthorn might find it hard in the near future to push a trade through, but then again, it won't be their fault will it, it will be the other clubs.

No-one is saying you should take less than you want, but if you realise you are being offered less than you want, give it up, take your bat and ball, go home, and let others do some deals.
Of course this has nothing to do with the supporters of Hawthorn as I doubt they have much to do with getting the deals done.

 

[Woodside Hawk]

No-one is saying you should take less than you want, but if you realise you are being offered less than you want, give it up, take your bat and ball, go home, and let others do some deals.
Of course this has nothing to do with the supporters of Hawthorn as I doubt they have much to do with getting the deals done.

Hmmm....Schumcta, I may have to agree with you there...your doubts may just be right.

And I'd love to negotiate with you. Anytime.

You do realise there is a time limit during trade week for a reason, don't you?

 

[Natman]

That's fine. I don't understand this attitude from people. It's not as if we're losing out.

From what I can see, we'll probably offer Pick 9 and a player like Dowler.

If that isn't enough for Port, then they're more than entitled to stand their ground. It doesn't mean that we automatically need to offer Franklin or something.

The fact that his manager has come out and said, Shaun Burgoyne is willing to enter the PSD, is something that doesn't serve Port well.

Sure, we might miss him and he might enter the PSD, but you can't miss something that you never had, so it's not like we'll be the 'losers' out of it all.

It depends if he is seen by your coaching staff as potentially being the difference between not being in the 8 or maybe helping to get you to the top 4 and then a chance for the flag - he has that capability and experience.

 

[Schmucta]

Hmmm....Schumcta, I may have to agree with you there...your doubts may just be right.

And I'd love to negotiate with you. Anytime.

You do realise there is a time limit during trade week for a reason, don't you?

Enlighten me...

 

[Consumed]

And that right there is where the poor form comes in.

Fine if you don't want the trades, you don't have to accept, but to leave it to the last moment of trade week so other deals cannot be brokered is why Hawthorn might find it hard in the near future to push a trade through, but then again, it won't be their fault will it, it will be the other clubs.

No-one is saying you should take less than you want, but if you realise you are being offered less than you want, give it up, take your bat and ball, go home, and let others do some deals.
Of course this has nothing to do with the supporters of Hawthorn as I doubt they have much to do with getting the deals done.

Well n00b, I don't know if you're a student or whether you work for a living, but in business, it's not always just about what you do. It is about what the market is doing. Sometimes you have to influence it to get results, that on the surface, don't look like they advantage you.
But if they disadvantage the competition, or give you an edge down the track, you do it.
It may not be nice, it certainly doesn't foster goodwill, but sometimes it is neccessary otherwise you can lose. That's why they call it business.

Why do you think Essendon headhunted Ian Robson. Not to piss off Hawthorn, but to give itself a business advantage. Very good move.

I agree with your last statement; supporters on BF have no way to influence or direct a club's actions. These motivations may not even be accurate, but we project them and base opinions from them.