Who are the players in our 'leadership group'?
Do we still have a definitive vice and deputy vice captain?
Do we still have a definitive vice and deputy vice captain?
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again, somewhat frustratingly, the details seem to have caught you out here.
in good faith i ask you who you would LIKE TO SEE as next crows captain. you respond by referring to a previous post about who you EXPECT to be captain (emphasis added). Now I understand some of these concepts are subtle by nature and potentially difficult to digest but these above 2 concepts do NOT EQUATE.
let me try and show you. i would personally LIKE TO SEE Scott Thompson as our next captain. However, I EXPECT Nathan Van Berlo to be our next captain.
That combination of comprehension and memory can be a bitch sometimes I know
Nevermind
given your contributions and widely ridiculed "ideas" in this post, I can understand why you want to shift the focus.
who could blame you?
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lol. absolutely feeble. goodbye
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It's a good comparison. VB is definitely coming along very nicely. On target for captain in 2114. Not sure Goody can last that long though.
Rutten is by far and away the best candidate in my mind and the only reason he is overlooked is because he is a defender. I think this is a myth which has outlived any feasible argument in its favour. Defenders are much more than negative players these days and despite the perception that Truck is nothing more than an extra-sized vehicle for carrying loads of goods and closing down opposition key forwards, he is amongst this aggressive rebound trend. Truck has been able to add an offensive element to his game with the extra flexibility offered by Bock playing down back - now averaging 15.5 disposals a game (up 5 on last year) and 7 marks. Plus, the nature of leadership at a football club has evolved from single captain and VC, maybe a nominal DVC. Now we have an additional leadership group which offers balance over the whole ground. On top of all this he has AA honours, always takes the best defender, always willing to sacrifice his own game for the team and is tough as nails. There's nothing more inspirational to a team.
I can't quantify this very well, but my instinct tells me that Thommo is an elite player, but far from an elite leader. Other than being guaranteed a spot in the team, I don't think the captain has to be elite by any stretch of the imagination - Harley, Burns, Simpson, Johnson - all great players, all great leaders, but hardly game breakers. There are plenty of elite players that will never ever captain their club and Thommo is without a doubt in my mind one of them. My only real evidence is that he's not in the leadership group and his reputation for off-field antics - not that he's a troubled case, he just doesn't strike me as a player who would appreciate the pressure. It wasn't too long ago that every time he'd touch the ball I'd hear someone yell "CLANGER KING".
If its VB, I certainly won't whinge, I just think Truck has all of VB's qualities, but is a better player with a handy couple years of experience on him.
I can't quantify this very well, but my instinct tells me that Thommo is an elite player, but far from an elite leader. Other than being guaranteed a spot in the team, I don't think the captain has to be elite by any stretch of the imagination - Harley, Burns, Simpson, Johnson - all great players, all great leaders, but hardly game breakers. There are plenty of elite players that will never ever captain their club and Thommo is without a doubt in my mind one of them. My only real evidence is that he's not in the leadership group and his reputation for off-field antics - not that he's a troubled case, he just doesn't strike me as a player who would appreciate the pressure. It wasn't too long ago that every time he'd touch the ball I'd hear someone yell "CLANGER KING".
If its VB, I certainly won't whinge, I just think Truck has all of VB's qualities, but is a better player with a handy couple years of experience on him.
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if you genuinely believe that old son, well....thats all you need to say on the topic
imo it ranks up there with your logic, or severe lack of, that the crows didnt have a soft draw in rounds 1-11 despite numerous highly regarded media commentators saying the opposite. In addition to professional money speaking (try explaining why crows are a clear 4th on the ladder but 7th in flag betting currently)
Actually, ive detailed a case as to why hes one of the first picked.
All you've done is post some moronic list, without providing any rationale for justifying why anyone is placed where you suggested.
Nice that you've tried to deflect again though. Almost as funny as your thread bump trying to reopen an arguement with me when i was quite clearly red carded. Classy.
Interesting article considering this topic .....
http://news.realfooty.com.au/sport/thompson-up-with-judd-ablett-goodwin-20080612-2pcf.html
IMO Rutten is the standout. Thompson a second. For me, it's an intangible quality, and pure opinion. But Rutten and Thompson have it, as did Roo, Bicks, and Bones. I feel VB doesn't, as McGuinness didn't. As I said purely an opinion with no statistics to reason, just a feel, you know the vibe
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http://news.realfooty.com.au/sport/thompson-up-with-judd-ablett-goodwin-20080612-2pcf.html
IMO Rutten is the standout. Thompson a second. For me, it's an intangible quality, and pure opinion. But Rutten and Thompson have it, as did Roo, Bicks, and Bones. I feel VB doesn't, as McGuinness didn't. As I said purely an opinion with no statistics to reason, just a feel, you know the vibe
.Goody will be captain again next year, but will hand over the reigns for the 2010 season.
It's too early to nominate the next skipper but Thommo is certainly highly regarded.
Another one that people have forgotten is NATHAN BOCK - he's highly respected amoung the playing group and coaches, leads from the front, and will be an All Australian this year.
It's too early to nominate the next skipper but Thommo is certainly highly regarded.
Another one that people have forgotten is NATHAN BOCK - he's highly respected amoung the playing group and coaches, leads from the front, and will be an All Australian this year.
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IMO Rutten is the standout. Thompson a second. For me, it's an intangible quality, and pure opinion. But Rutten and Thompson have it, as did Roo, Bicks, and Bones. I feel VB doesn't, as McGuinness didn't. As I said purely an opinion with no statistics to reason, just a feel, you know the vibe
Surely the players have a far better idea of who has the leadership intangible than fans?
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Maybe its a popularity contest with the players? Maybe Vb shouts all the lads for lunch after training and beers at the pub!
You are probably right.
I firmly believe that VB will be the AFC's next Captain.
However, here's a quote from Simon Goodwin (in an article on the AFC website today) - just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
However, here's a quote from Simon Goodwin (in an article on the AFC website today) - just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons.
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Maybe its a popularity contest with the players? Maybe Vb shouts all the lads for lunch after training and beers at the pub!
Hes definetely captaincy material then.
I hope he also follows Roo in the time honoured captaincy duty of pub brawling against Power players.
Tom Harley. He's a defender and is the captain of Geelong. I'm not saying he's a superstar afl footballer but he's a great leader of GFC. Ben Rutten could actually be the right guy for the job in 2011.
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Rather have Rutten or Thompson next to me at the Ramsgate, than VB
You can have Rutten and Thommo next to you.
I wouldnt need to fight, with van Berlo around. If his martial arts skills arent enough, his ability to shoot lasers from his eyes almost certainly would be.
I wouldn't have him "far and away the best candidate" but he is my preferred candidate.
I strongly agree with this statement, particularly the second sentence. I only think he's overlooked on this forum. I think in the media and most importantly within the club itself it wouldn't even be raised as an issue.
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Tom Harley is our captain. I dont think it should go to midfielders.. It should go to players who have characteristics captains need. If its a defender, ruckman, forward or midfielder... so be it.
I agree. Harley, Glass & Barry are all captain defenders from top notch clubs, but it seems to be a fact overlooked by posters on this board.
No major problem with having your Captain in defence. Certainly better than having them as a key forward.
The problem with having defenders or forwards as Captain is that they may be out of the play for long periods of time if one side is dominating.
In the case of the forwards, that's a bad thing. If the opposition are dominating then this is the time you need your Captain to step up - but being stuck in the forward line there is he can do about it.
In the case of defenders, it's no trouble at all. If the opposition are dominating, then the Captain is constantly in the play. If our team is dominating, then the ball is rarely in defence so the Captain is out of it - but with our own team dominating, who really cares?
Still, I personally would prefer the job be given to a midfielder who can be involved in lifting his team for the entire game.
The problem with having defenders or forwards as Captain is that they may be out of the play for long periods of time if one side is dominating.
In the case of the forwards, that's a bad thing. If the opposition are dominating then this is the time you need your Captain to step up - but being stuck in the forward line there is he can do about it.
In the case of defenders, it's no trouble at all. If the opposition are dominating, then the Captain is constantly in the play. If our team is dominating, then the ball is rarely in defence so the Captain is out of it - but with our own team dominating, who really cares?
Still, I personally would prefer the job be given to a midfielder who can be involved in lifting his team for the entire game.
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playing devils advocate...Harley yes has done well but probably played quite a bit across the half back line last year (the games I saw anyway). I think you can differentiate from half back line to full back line as Rutten would be almost permanently stuck in the back 50mts. Glass and his team have had horror seasons so im not sure this has been an unqualified success. Barry is a good leader from the full back line - but they also have 2 other co-captains...
Didnt Roo, or some other prominent ex-Crow, come out last week and say a FB shouldnt be captain?
If a VETERAN captain (Roo) said he found it very difficult to capatin the side from Full Forward what makes people think a ROOKIE captain in Rutten will be able to handle the job from full back?
My choices of captain would be:
Thommo
VB
Daylight
Rutten
My choices of captain would be:
Thommo
VB
Daylight
Rutten
While I think I agree with your basic gist I think your use of argument is unfair.
I mean Roo was hardly Roo the last couple of years of his career and would have found the comparitive challenge of captaining in a new position and with declining ability difficult.
Had Roo played Full Forward his whole career he may and probably would have made an excellent captain there.
And also to be fair to Truck some defenders make decent captains, like um, John Worsfold maybe?
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