Discussion James Gallagher (Head of List Management) set to depart at end of 2022

[George]

The joke is on you deep fried, we get another three months to wear black wool and drink coffee in laneways amongst the hobo piss, uncollected syringes and rubbish and graffiti that we think is art.

Personally I am looking forward to another installment of "grown man gets irate from geographical jealousy"

 

[Diehard Saint]

He was like Trout in that he was given a job that he wasn't up to. Talent identification is like alchemy. You can't bluff it.

I think Lyon wants his man inside the club and perhaps we can use him in a more strategic role and delegate the recruiting stuff to the people who are are actually paid to do it. The finance stuff will become harder as we improve and players will expect compensation and if we improve they will be chased by other clubs. Hopefully he can do that.

Perhaps Lyon wants SOS in because he can add the pieces he thinks he needs without protest? If Lyon works out we have moved into a different phase and we should be adding decorations on to a solid core rather than building a core. The danger is that the list is still s**t and we step backwards for year trying to sprinkle more glitter on a turd.

As long as it’s not just jobs for mates - which worries me tbh.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Seems straight forward to me.

Gallagher was clearly doing a good job but wanted to head home - so he raised the idea that he could continue to do the job from Adelaide (ala Cripps) but the club wanted him to still work from Melbourne.

Given he's clearly a good operator guess he figured he'll have no trouble getting another job so decided to head back.

Can be the only explanation given the fact that the review found that the list management strategy for the last 5 years had been sound.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Shame we have lost james. Thought he was very refreshing to listen to and think he did a good job. Still confused over the decision to put Hunter Clark on the trade table tho

 

[prophetic1]

The joke is on you deep fried, we get another three months to wear black wool and drink coffee in laneways amongst the hobo piss, uncollected syringes and rubbish and graffiti that we think is art.

Ii is Art though...well the Anti-Art of the dispossessed, the alienated, the ****ed up progeny of the rich, the abused and those that want to be abused........the deprived and depraved...the unhinged and the superior...all of us finger paint in the laneways as our tears fall joining the universal pools of the lost.

 

[George]

So basically no-one should comment on anything that they don't have experience in? The forum would be pretty boring at that point.

Yeah, it would just be you posting

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Well, well, well if it isn’t the VPA (Victorian Parasite Association) coming at Dard for the umpteenth time!
Must be the cold taking its toll.
I love Victoria.
Being a global nomad means I don’t engage in such folly as geographical patriotism.
I can see why some would if they have nothing else going on, however
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Pfffft. You call that cold?

 

[ScrappyDo]

About time Gags got the flick. Our forward entries have been the worst in the league for ages and the players lack resilience.
Good riddance.

 

[austinnn]

About time Gags got the flick. Our forward entries have been the worst in the league for ages and the players lack resilience.
Good riddance.

I'm not sure if you're joking or not which is already quite sad. I hope you are joking.

 

[wolfpac13]

Lethers and Roughy were having a pretty serious meeting over a coffee today at Moorabin.

Probably doesn't mean much.

Would love Cripps.

 

[sammm]

I think he's done a fantastic job. Look at our list now compared to when he walked in. The only blemishes are Hill and Hanners, but i think those deals were already under way before he was officially brought in IIRC.

He has nailed the last two drafts, and in a half decade or so we may be looking back in them of the drafts that turned this club around.

And made sure that very few players were overpaid, and kept the salary cap in check. That was the problem previously.

 

[hayes]

And made sure that very few players were overpaid, and kept the salary cap in check. That was the problem previously.

Let’s be fair, it’s pretty easy to stay under the salary cap when you’ve got almost no A graders.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

If we got Shiel we probably wouldn't have gotten Hannebery though

If we got Shiel we wouldn’t have Max King.


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[Saints43]

Let’s be fair, it’s pretty easy to stay under the salary cap when you’ve got almost no A graders.

Didn't Melbourne once break the salary cap and win the wooden spoon? Anything can be achieved if you just believe in yourself.

 

[gringo2011]

And made sure that very few players were overpaid, and kept the salary cap in check. That was the problem previously.

Apparently we are tighter than expected and it's easier without many stars on your list. Hill and Hanners two of the highest paid players in AFL. Sold existing players at bargain value and paid big for targeted players. He wasn't terrible but had issues.

 

[MordySaint]

So what has he done that was so bad? FMD you people are great on criticism especially when you are clueless on what he was doing.
Not one of you haters has shown anything he has done that warrants your ignorant slagging off.
The impotent are always pure

It's not that he has done a bad job, IMO he just wasn't the right fit for the job.

List managers liaise with players, players families, players agents, key stake holders prior to drafting, recruitment, sacking, trading etc.

When the phone call comes in and the players stakeholder grabs the phone and sees who is on the other end... who do you think has a better chance of persuading the player to do what St Kilda wants:

A: A list manager with minimal experience or sufficient pull within the industry like James Gallagher
B: A list manager with experience, credentialed AFL/VFL person who is used to making deals like SOS, Cripps, etc

 

[Remboy]

Lethers and Roughy were having a pretty serious meeting over a coffee today at Moorabin.

Probably doesn't mean much.

Would love Cripps.

They were talking last Friday as well.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Lethers and Roughy were having a pretty serious meeting over a coffee today at Moorabin.

Probably doesn't mean much.

Would love Cripps.

They were talking last Friday as well.

Both work for the same employer at the same place of employment.

Could literally be about anything.

 

[MordySaint]

So what has he done that was so bad? FMD you people are great on criticism especially when you are clueless on what he was doing.
Not one of you haters has shown anything he has done that warrants your ignorant slagging off.
The impotent are always pure

Let's analyse the 2022 Trade Period then shall we.

October 3 - 12 2022. The trade period went for 10 days, we did very little... the only trades was an ex-Bulldog who had run his course at his current club and a fan favourite in Ben Long for a bag of chips.

10 days, no decent players nominated us, no pick exchanges... etc etc. It was almost like we just sat on our hands for 10 days.

Trade period is James Gallaghers time to shine, he has had 4 years experience now and he should have worked the entire year for periods like this and we were completely ineffectual.

 

[pebblesofsand]

It's not that he has done a bad job, IMO he just wasn't the right fit for the job.

List managers liaise with players, players families, players agents, key stake holders prior to drafting, recruitment, sacking, trading etc.

When the phone call comes in and the players stakeholder grabs the phone and sees who is on the other end... who do you think has a better chance of persuading the player to do what St Kilda wants:

A: A list manager with minimal experience or sufficient pull within the industry like James Gallagher
B: A list manager with experience, credentialed AFL/VFL person who is used to making deals like SOS, Cripps, etc

You keep saying it buts absolutely untrue. AFL player, long career at SANFL, coaching experience, finance experience perfect skills for the position.

I'm guessing you still haven't read the job description for the position I posted because if you had you would realise why Lethlean decribed him as follows

General Manager of Football Simon Lethlean said Gallagher had a unique combination of skills that would be an asset to the St Kilda Football Club.

“James was the standout candidate in a quality field of applicants,” Lethlean said.

“He has enjoyed a long and distinguished professional football and coaching career and understands the demands on players and the attributes required to play at the top level.
“Importantly, he also possesses a range of skills and disciplines that we were looking for which he has derived from his career in banking.


Still waiting to hear your assessment of the list after 4 years of Gallagher - Is it better or worse than when he started?

 

[MordySaint]

You keep saying it buts absolutely untrue. AFL player, long career at SANFL, coaching experience, finance experience perfect skills for the position.

I'm guessing you still haven't read the job description for the position I posted because if you had you would realise why Lethlean decribed him as follows

General Manager of Football Simon Lethlean said Gallagher had a unique combination of skills that would be an asset to the St Kilda Football Club.

“James was the standout candidate in a quality field of applicants,” Lethlean said.

“He has enjoyed a long and distinguished professional football and coaching career and understands the demands on players and the attributes required to play at the top level.
“Importantly, he also possesses a range of skills and disciplines that we were looking for which he has derived from his career in banking.


Still waiting to hear your assessment of the list after 4 years of Gallagher - Is it better or worse than when he started?

I'm bullish about our chances next year, not because of our list but more but because of the people we have now bought in to our club.

St Kilda Playing List for 2018 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Our list 4 years ago was reasonable -> good, Our list now is reasonable -> good.

What's going to make the difference this year is our coaching panel and the changes to our football department, not the list changes that James has been involved with.

 

[gringo2011]

Let's analyse the 2022 Trade Period then shall we.

October 3 - 12 2022. The trade period went for 10 days, we did very little... the only trades was an ex-Bulldog who had run his course at his current club and a fan favourite in Ben Long for a bag of chips.

10 days, no decent players nominated us, no pick exchanges... etc etc. It was almost like we just sat on our hands for 10 days.

Trade period is James Gallaghers time to shine, he has had 4 years experience now and he should have worked the entire year for periods like this and we were completely ineffectual.

I give him an out here. We set a deliberate strategy to target youth in the draft. The idea of them all of a sudden finding that drafting was a revelation when gifted a sweet hand of academy kids was more of a worry to me.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Both work for the same employer at the same place of employment.

Could literally be about anything.

Quality of the Toasties in the cafe most likely

 

[MordySaint]

I give him an out here. We set a deliberate strategy to target youth in the draft. The idea of them all of a sudden finding that drafting was a revelation when gifted a sweet hand of academy kids was more of a worry to me.

I'm not sure I'm ready to rewrite history just yet.

We went hard at Degoey, Clark on the table, Hill in discussions with other clubs etc

it ended up being a deliberate strategy because we didn't get anything else done.

OMG, imagine if we got DeGoey ... I'm calling our good fortune luck more than design.

And now we finally have a decent football results orientated administration in charge.

 

[FQFjt]

Would have liked us to make a much better play for Bowes+pick7 from GC.