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Tibbs · Jun 8, 2023

Doctor Feel said:
Mead is too short, not hard enough at the ball, doesn't find enough of it, doesn't provide enough pressure. Kicks pretty well in the field and goal but I don't think he has 'it'. I really liked him around his draft time but he's not really made any progress.

You are right, but that exactly describes Kane Farrell, who in my mind besides his kick, was a flakey outside player that had nothing else that showed he could make it as a an AFL player. Yet here he is, and I love how he is being used with his weapon, his kicking, being fully utilised, and he has also improved in all his weaker areas. At 24, he has been given three more years to develop than Mead.

Right now, right this minute, Mead is not at the level required, but IMO we tend to give up too quickly on some young players! If they have ONE weapon, they are worth persisting with, and Meade does have it in his kicking. In fact, I would argue that he has shown more than Farrell at the same age.

Just my thoughts.

Holden Hillbilly · Jun 8, 2023

Collingwood has entered the race for Giants swingman and restricted free agent Harry Himmelberg, according to a report by The Age.
Sydney and Richmond have already been linked to Himmelberg while the report states Essendon also has interest in the 27-year old. However it’s believed the Bombers are more likely to prioritise Kangaroos free agent Ben McKay. Although Himmelberg is thought to be happy in Sydney, he has close friends in Melbourne including Tigers star Tim Taranto.

According to The Age, Himmelberg could earn as much as $900,000 per season on a multi-year deal if he were depart the Giants, which would net the club a first-round compensation pick. It’d give GWS a third first-round pick after receiving Richmond’s first rounder in the Taranto deal. AFL Media reports the Giants would be prepared to offer Himmelberg a five-year deal.

Schulzenfest · Jun 8, 2023

How the **** is Harry Himmelberg worth $900k a year?

Coobk001 · Jun 8, 2023

Holden Hillbilly said:
Collingwood has entered the race for Giants swingman and restricted free agent Harry Himmelberg, according to a report by The Age.
Sydney and Richmond have already been linked to Himmelberg while the report states Essendon also has interest in the 27-year old. However it’s believed the Bombers are more likely to prioritise Kangaroos free agent Ben McKay. Although Himmelberg is thought to be happy in Sydney, he has close friends in Melbourne including Tigers star Tim Taranto.

According to The Age, Himmelberg could earn as much as $900,000 per season on a multi-year deal if he were depart the Giants, which would net the club a first-round compensation pick. It’d give GWS a third first-round pick after receiving Richmond’s first rounder in the Taranto deal. AFL Media reports the Giants would be prepared to offer Himmelberg a five-year deal.

The Giants are building for another crack with all these draft picks and good kids coming through, whilst having some solid experience in place. To think they would not be incredibly keen on walking to the draft with something like pick 4, 5 & 6, rather than keeping Himmelberg is crazy. If someone's gonna offer pick 5 for Himmelberg, you take that every day of the week. They got a pick one key forward last year, bring in 3 top picks this year, combined with what is already quite a talented list, and they've well and truly laid the platform for their next crack.

Wargreymon90 · Jun 8, 2023

I’m liking the idea of Lewis Young.

I’d also be looking for a fast small forward somewhere.

JakeNeadeFan · Jun 8, 2023

Mead is too slow and too short to be anything but an in-and-under midfielder and we are flush with players in that role.

He is an alright backup, will probably continue to get games occasionally as either the sub or an injury replacement. But he is never going to be a best 22 player.

And realistically that means it is in his best interest to look for opportunities elsewhere. If I was him I'd be on the phone to West Coast.

TazD · Jun 8, 2023

If Lewis Young is a thing then we should go for TDK as well. If we can flip Bergman and Georgiades into those two I'll be contented.

Enviable Tradition · Jun 8, 2023

Jordan Sweet 40 hit outs and 9 tackles in the VFL.

205cm, 25yo South Aussie.

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philthy05 · Jun 8, 2023

Schulzenfest said:
How the * is Harry Himmelberg worth $900k a year?

He’s not

Also if he would get you a band 1 compo you would be pushing him out the door

TazD said:
If Lewis Young is a thing then we should go for TDK as well. If we can flip Bergman and Georgiades into those two I'll be contented.

Yuck. That’s a horrible downgrade on talent

Enviable Tradition said:
Jordan Sweet 40 hit outs and 9 tackles in the VFL.

205cm, 25yo South Aussie.

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He’s nothing more than a backup , and we don’t need a backup.

TazD · Jun 8, 2023

philthy05 said:
Yuck. That’s a horrible downgrade on talent

Maybe, but they fill the needs we have.

Butters and Pepper · Jun 8, 2023

Holden Hillbilly said:
Collingwood has entered the race for Giants swingman and restricted free agent Harry Himmelberg, according to a report by The Age.
Sydney and Richmond have already been linked to Himmelberg while the report states Essendon also has interest in the 27-year old. However it’s believed the Bombers are more likely to prioritise Kangaroos free agent Ben McKay. Although Himmelberg is thought to be happy in Sydney, he has close friends in Melbourne including Tigers star Tim Taranto.

According to The Age, Himmelberg could earn as much as $900,000 per season on a multi-year deal if he were depart the Giants, which would net the club a first-round compensation pick. It’d give GWS a third first-round pick after receiving Richmond’s first rounder in the Taranto deal. AFL Media reports the Giants would be prepared to offer Himmelberg a five-year deal.

I like the idea of a bidding war for Himmelberg, especially if he ultimately signs with the Crows.

Adz2332 · Jun 8, 2023

Butters and Pepper said:
I like the idea of a bidding war for Himmelberg, especially if he ultimately signs with the Crows.

And then slip in and get Darcy from freo

cmpower · Jun 8, 2023

Young would take up less Salary Space than McKay

Young Gun #6 · Jun 8, 2023

Wangeneen-Milera would be nice ..

DaTBird187 · Jun 8, 2023

Doctor Feel said:
Mead is too short, not hard enough at the ball, doesn't find enough of it, doesn't provide enough pressure.

Apart from that he's ****ing awesome.

VineValerian · Jun 9, 2023

Young Gun #6 said:
Wangeneen-Milera would be nice ..

Hasn't he re-committed for a further two years?
Or am I thinking of someone else?

Holden Hillbilly · Jun 9, 2023

The Power’s resurgence is a result of a unique yet shrewd list build that’s been built around three key pillars, drafting in clusters and trading in ready-made key-position talent. Remarkably, the build has included just one top-10 pick – a darn good one at that, too, in Connor Rozee in 2018 – in the past 10 years. Yet that wasn’t a natural top-10 pick either, as Port had turned the key compensation selection (Pick 11) for losing Jared Polec and Jasper Pittard to North Melbourne into Pick 6 – via a deal with Fremantle – then Pick 5 – via a deal with Brisbane.

The Power entered 2022 with the AFL’s ninth-oldest and eighth-most experienced list. So they’re not only primed for a flag crack now, this list still has ample juice left in it. And that’s already after nine finals appearances in the past 12 seasons. “It’s a good discussion, the list build at Port Adelaide,” dual premiership Kangaroo David King told Fox Footy last weekend.“They’ve drafted really well. They’ve picked the eyes out of the first round of the draft … Then you look at the trade acquisitions and free agents, it’s been sublime.

THE THREE KEY PILLARS In any kind of list build, a club needs key pillars to form the foundation. And the Power have been fortunate to have three players that have not only starred on the field, but also led the club superbly off it. Travis Boak (Pick 5, 2006) is one of four players from the 2006 draft class still on an AFL list. And like Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt and Todd Goldstein, he’s still in good form nearly 17 years later. His one-goal, 30-disposal display against St Kilda in Round 7 suggested he has ample to give. A triple All-Australian and dual best and fairest winner who captained the club for five seasons, Boak has been one of the most durable, consistent and reliable players of the modern era, representing the Power brilliantly both on and off the field. The Power four years later took a punt on Norwood product Tom Jonas (2010 rookie draft), who’s been one of the league’s most consistent key defenders of the past decade. He’s been either a co-captain or sole captain of the Power for the past five seasons. Remarkably, he can’t get a game in the senior side at the moment.

And then there’s Ollie Wines (Pick 7, 2012), who’s remained loyal to the Power despite having several opportunities to return home to Victoria. Not only is he a star inside ball-winner – highlighted by his 2021 campaign where he claimed the Brownlow Medal, All-Australian honours and the best and fairest – he’s been integral to the club’s culture. In Wines and Boak, the Power found two midfielders to build their team around.

DRAFTING IN CLUSTERS

Two bold trades appear central to unlocking the Power’s draft success. Port in 2018 made a significant, gutsy call to let go of Chad Wingard – a first-round draftee, dual All-Australian, best and fairest winner and genuine star of the competition – and grant his wish to be traded to Hawthorn. Wingard, along with a future third-round pick, landed at Hawthorn, with the Power receiving Ryan Burton, Picks 15 and 35 in return.

Pick 15 turned into Xavier Duursma (Pick 18, 2018), who brought ample energy to the team before being struck down by recent injuries. But crucially, Pick 35 was a key plank in a separate Power deal with Brisbane, which saw Sam Mayes and Pick 5 head to Port and Picks 6, 35 and a future third-rounder land at the Lions. The Power then used their prized selection to draft Connor Rozee (Pick 5, 2018), who could end up being the best player of that year’s star-studded draft class. He was an All-Australian and best and fairest winner in 2022 – and he’s well on the way to replicating those feats in 2023. Although Zak Butters (Pick 12, 2018) might have something to say about that. Buoyed by a permanent on-ball role, the 22-year-old sits on top of AFL Coaches’ Association votes table after 12 rounds. He might also be leading the Brownlow count. After drafting three top talents within 13 draft picks in the first round, the Power one year later drafted four players within 11 picks of each other across the first and second rounds. Again, that was because of another ballsy deal struck during the trade period a month beforehand.

The Saints in 2019 landed Power pair Dougal Howard and Paddy Ryder, as well as Pick 10 and a future fourth-round selection in exchange for Picks 12, 18 and a future third-round selection. Ryder was still a strong tap ruckman, while Howard had shown his wares as a key defender, forward and pinch-hit ruck at stages. But the Power prioritised the draft and put themselves in a position to take multiple players from the top-end of the draft class.
Port then gave up its future first-round selection to the Lions, who gave it Pick 16. So the Power entered the 2019 draft with Picks 12, 16 and 18.

Come draft night, Port’s first selection turned into Miles Bergman (Pick 14, 2019), who’s one of the most in-demand players in the competition after a blistering start to his 2023 campaign. The second selection became key forward Mitch Georgiades (Pick 18, 2019), who’s kicked 65.52 from 49 games, only for his 2023 campaign to be cut short by an ACL rupture. And the third selection turned out to be Dylan Williams (Pick 23, 2019), who was drafted as a livewire forward but has settled into a defensive role with aplomb this season.

The Power, two picks later, matched a bid on father-son prospect Jackson Mead (Pick 25, 2019), who re-signed last year until the end of 2024.
A third Port draft cluster came three years prior, when they took Todd Marshall (Pick 16, 2016), Sam Powell-Pepper (Pick 18, 2016) and Willem Drew (Pick 33, 2016). Powell-Pepper has become a barometer for the Power during his 125-game career, while key forward Marshall and midfielder Drew have established themselves as best-22 players across the past three seasons.

MAKING THE MOST WITH WHAT YOU’VE GOT

Since Hinkley and Wines arrived at Alberton for the 2013 season, the Power have either featured – or threatened to feature – in the finals every year. They missed September action in 2015, 2016, 2018 and 2019, but still finished between ninth and 11th in all those seasons. Somehow, the Power have managed to remain in the finals mix for a decade while avoiding the extreme low end of the rebuild rollercoaster that so many clubs – such as Adelaide, Brisbane, Carlton, Fremantle, Melbourne and, more recently, Hawthorn, West Coast and North Melbourne – have endured in the same period. Drafting in bunches has helped, but they’ve also had some wins with some shrewd calls on later picks.

Brutal calls that unlocked Port’s draft ‘cluster’ success… and key trades that led to unlikely surge

‘Sublime’ AFL trades have set up this year’s biggest shock surge. It all stems from two ballsy calls

www.foxsports.com.au

crafty_bernardo · Jun 9, 2023

Holden Hillbilly said:
The Power’s resurgence is a result of a sidelining Ken Hinkley as coach on game day unique yet shrewd list build that’s been built around three key pillars, drafting in clusters and trading in ready-made key-position talent. Remarkably, the build has included just one top-10 pick – a darn good one at that, too, in Connor Rozee in 2018 – in the past 10 years. Yet that wasn’t a natural top-10 pick either, as Port had turned the key compensation selection (Pick 11) for losing Jared Polec and Jasper Pittard to North Melbourne into Pick 6 – via a deal with Fremantle – then Pick 5 – via a deal with Brisbane.

The Power entered 2022 with the AFL’s ninth-oldest and eighth-most experienced list. So they’re not only primed for a flag crack now, this list still has ample juice left in it. And that’s already after nine finals appearances in the past 12 seasons. “It’s a good discussion, the list build at Port Adelaide,” dual premiership Kangaroo David King told Fox Footy last weekend.“They’ve drafted really well. They’ve picked the eyes out of the first round of the draft … Then you look at the trade acquisitions and free agents, it’s been sublime.

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Adz2332 · Jun 9, 2023

It's definitely the area of our football department who can hold their own with every other one in the comp. Would be close if not the best.

Holden Hillbilly · Jun 9, 2023

The power to rule — why this Port trio is the best high-end draft haul in 18 years

It has been almost 20 years since the Power won a flag, but a clever investment in the 2018 draft has put the club in its best position yet to rectify that, writes Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.

www.abc.net.au

Enviable Tradition · Jun 9, 2023

Holden Hillbilly said:
The power to rule — why this Port trio is the best high-end draft haul in 18 years

It has been almost 20 years since the Power won a flag, but a clever investment in the 2018 draft has put the club in its best position yet to rectify that, writes Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.

www.abc.net.au

I'd love to know what Carlton offered for the Duursma pick and what we could have got with it.

If it was only what the Crows got then giving away Duursma to get Carltons pick 4 in 2019 instead of Bergman would have been a terrible trade for us.

At best we could have had Serong instead of Bergman and Duursma

At worst McAsey for Bergman and Duursma.

Now THAT is a sliding doors Damo.

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Blinky Nyland · Jun 9, 2023

Enviable Tradition said:
Jordan Sweet 40 hit outs and 9 tackles in the VFL.

205cm, 25yo South Aussie.

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I liked Sweet when he was a train on with Port as a NAB academy player. For his size he was really mobile but obviously would need time to grow into his body. We preferred Ladhams in his draft year. Sweet later had a great year playing in a premiership under Carr at North Adelaide. He was rookie drafted at the end of that year. Since then he's been stalled behind English and Stefan Martin. He'd be worth a shot as he wouldn't come at a high cost in a trade. The Carr connection could help.

Ford Fairlane · Jun 9, 2023

And this from a team who could also afford to take on another team's salary cap load

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philthy05 · Jun 9, 2023

Ford Fairlane said:
And this from a team who could also afford to take on another team's salary cap load

If he’s contracted there’s no way I would trade him to Geelong. They don’t have a quality young wa player to send back and 2 picks around 8-16 wouldn’t be attractive.

davesnothere · Jun 10, 2023

Watching the broadcast last night it sounds like Bergman has his choice of clubs in Victoria. They all want him.

Also left with the impression McKay is a done deal.

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