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Why are people blaming Harry for this?
I think most people have grown up using it as a generic insult, doesnt mean anything more than that
It's a Collingwood thing
Was ok for Milne to tell every body on an interview how offended he is by insulting comments towards him
But it's all ok for him to do it and will have everybody on BigFooty back him up because people hate Harry for being more then your standard robot footballer he has a different personality which we all know if your different your hated in this country
And yet the "PC brigade" want the rest of us to all change the way we go about things, so that the small number who would be offended by it don't get their feelings hurt, instead of just helping to build up the self esteem of those few who are really sensitive about what others, who may or may not want to offend them, have to say. Seems like they're going about things the very, very long way.I have lived in Fitzroy my whole life. Straight as they come but know dozens of gay people. The vast majority of gay people i know call each other "***", "******", "girl", "****", "queen" etc etc. They don't take offence to it.
Milne should STFU. If he's going to give it out he can't complain when it comes back his way. I don't have a problem with what he said just have an issue with him as a person.It's a Collingwood thing
Was ok for Milne to tell every body on an interview how offended he is by insulting comments towards him
But it's all ok for him to do it and will have everybody on BigFooty back him up because people hate Harry for being more then your standard robot footballer he has a different personality which we all know if your different your hated in this country
Two words : maximising revenueI know I am arguing the PC side of the case in this thread, not to have a shot at Milne as such though. However, I really hope the media go after the AFL over this. They are deliberately bringing heat on to an issue needlessly, probably to show how progressive they are. Milne was always going to be fined after the AFL released the information. They had already decided they were going to manipulate the situation to their advantage. They sold Milne down the river instead of having a quiet word about appropriateness.
The AFL no longer represent the clubs or the game IMO, they have placed themselves above both, like a corporate entity eager to show off to the world.
Or no different to calling someone a girl then yeah?
I have lived in Fitzroy my whole life. Straight as they come but know dozens of gay people. The vast majority of gay people i know call each other "***", "******", "girl", "****", "queen" etc etc. They don't take offence to it.
counseling on this???....geez that will be a riveting few hours of his life
Yeah it does. That I'm not an ignorant homophobic bigot.
You should work in customer service with that attitude.
So, using your precedent if someone went up to your mum and called her a fat slag then that's ok too. You wouldn't mind because it's just sledging and banter. Happens all the time?
Calling somebody fat, ugly or stupid, is still more accepted simply because it does not yet offend a minority group with a voice.
Milne should STFU. If he's going to give it out he can't complain when it comes back his way. I don't have a problem with what he said just have an issue with him as a person.
this game is becoming so sterile its pathetic. I seriously cant believe how overblown this story is.http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/milne-taunt-investigated-20120809-23weu.html
You cannot be serious calling someone a 'homo' is being investigated?!?!?!? FFS seriously...Margetts you're pathetic!
Milne should STFU. If he's going to give it out he can't complain when it comes back his way. I don't have a problem with what he said just have an issue with him as a person.
You are missing the point.
If that comment was directed at me, I couldn't care less. If it is directed at someone else, I am not offended. I don't make a habit of getting offended on behalf of minorities either. Your predictable HTFU type comment is ignorant.
I have played football, another irrelevant thought.
In this day and age, if people still think that any type of insult is fine as long as it happens on the sporting field, they are missing how far things have evolved. If O'Brien isn't a 'homo', then there is no issue right? It's just a meaningless sledge. Let's go another way though, what if Milne turned around and called Heath Shaw a black silly. He's not though right? Would that be an acceptable sledge then? The point isn't whether somebody is or isn't. The point is that being gay or being black or being mentally disabled is often reduced to a crude insult, not just to those who it might be applicable to, but to others who it isn't applicable to, because the user thinks it is belittling.
In fact in this case, the fact that O'Brien didn't seem phased by the personal reference, suggests that he maybe he is enlightened enough that he doesn't see being a 'homo' as a bad thing, even if he isn't gay.
Milne also called O'Brien a ****head. I don't have a problem with it other than me forming a judgment that Milne is not exactly a classy individual. I'm just amazed in this day and age and with the vilification laws around, that players lack the ability to understand the issue.
In my job, we deal with discrimination and harassment issues amongst others, and although I have often thought it is PC gone mad in some situations, it is very clear that we have to choose our words carefully. I feel for some like Dipper for example, who did not use his words in a derogatory fashion. In fact he used it while expressing his affection for indigenous people he was working with, but while the context was not derogatory, the word was.
I'm sure most players abuse each other on the field. I have no issue with it. I'm not sure this type of sledge is used a lot though, as we should have been hearing something every week.
Does a ***, a **** or homo actually refer to a homosexual or bisexual anymore?
I dont think it does. It more refers to a gentlemen without courage,strength and integrity.
Cant say ive ever called anyone those names and meant that they have a sexual preference for men.
It sounds rather Orwellian. Reprogrammed to be a fit member of society...
From a saints fan site. Decide for yourself.
"Milne was asked to go to mediation with Harry O. Milne was more than happy to do so. Milne was told he was not allowed to release to the public what he called Harry O which was HOMO. Milne refused and said that if he didnt he would be labelled a racist if the media and public werent to know the truth. Collingwood came back and said it must be kept in house and would Milne reconsider his stance. Again Milne said he wouldnt as he wasnt prepared to take the added heat that would generate. Collingwood then withdrew the complaint."