Opinion No Opp. Supporters - Ampol Sponsorship: A Bridge too Far

[gbatman]

Everyone on here having a go about fossil fuel emissions but still using electricity, driving a motor vehicles and taking flights powered by it is the height of hypocrisy.

We aren't promoting the use of petrol, diesel and oil by being sponsored by Ampol. We are promoting Ampol as a destination to get those products if you use these products which the majority of Australians do.

These products are essential products to us all because we all eat, we aren't hunter gathers and many of us use a petrol or diesel powered car. Electric vehicles aren't "green" if they are powered by coal or diesel generators. Electric vehicles are not appropriate for everyone and every trip. Diesel engines are still the only effective way of producing food and transporting food and other essential goods and hence are essential to maintaining the modern world we all live in.

People are missing the point. If you use the products that Ampol sell, consider shopping there. That is what the sponsorship means. It's not promoting the use of fossil fuels.

 

[The Bighouse]

Up the mighty Ampol Blues….

 

[lily of laguna]

I saw on the news last night that if are to reach net zero emissions using renewables it will require the use of 1/3 of our agricultural land (our food supply ) and 15% of our total land mass. 162,000,000 million acres! Think about that for a minute

That makes zero sense, and would doubt the veracity of those claims.

There are many places to place renewables least of which is industry rooftops etc. plenty of farmers are
seeing improvements in production through layering solar and grazing just as they are silvopasture.

Land use has been an absolute balls up but saying we have to use highly productive arable land as the location for renewables sounds like the desperate cry of alarmism.




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[Coona Blues]

How many of the vociferous on here embrace, even attend motor sports? How many of you frequently jump on a big silver bird for recreation purposes?

Can we please have some perspective? Yes Ampol is a huge player in a market that needs to change. They are doing some work in the E charger roll out, so are a player in the “revolution”.

Why do Hyundai and Virgin get a pass with their consumption of fossil fuels, while a company which has operated in a previously highly acceptable market receive such monumental vilification on here? If Ampol were to cease operation tomorrow, their market share would quickly be taken up. The time are changing…slowly.

The wheel turns slowly. While there are plenty of “miscreants” in the equation and monumental loopholes still exist to statutory greenhouse goal achievement. (My son had a short lived employment sojourn with Santos recently, with some alarming revelations of practices).

Fossil fuels are slowly being phased out. It will not happen overnight and no amount of posturing is going to significantly hasten the process. As I approach my 63rd birthday, I can confidently state that it will not happen completely in my lifetime.
The fact that we are “largely” (read loosely) working to those targets is admirable. Life has dealt a few blows, and my access to funds is limited. My motor vehicle usage is also limited to essentials and perhaps one or two trips south to “the big smoke” and a handful north to visit extended family. Last sat on a plane 23 years ago. I need a “new” car, in no way can I contemplate the expense of an E vehicle or even a hybrid. There are millions of seniors on fixed incomes with similar driving habits who are not in a position for an annual vehicle upgrade.

Fossil fuels are here for quite a while yet. I have no objection to our club engaging in a sponsorship arrangement with a company making their profits from an essential industry. I have the desire for idyllic change to preserve the planet for our kids and grand kids, but this cause is a developing one which cannot be fast tracked.

I am actually more concerned with the deforestation of the planet and particularly our country to make way for urban sprawl and recreational precincts as an urgent issue than the slowly diminishing use of fossil fuels. Nature’s filters must be preserved. The planet has the capacity to heal itself, providing the essential elements are preserved.

Everyone these days is jumping on a cause or a portfolio of causes. Most, if not all, have merit, but so many clash and cannot be achieved without damaging or destroying another equally valid consideration.


If we run around boycotting everything of concern, life will stop.

There is a massive argument to end all physically combative sport, ours included on the back of the CTE “epidemic”. Do we support that. Recreational use of fossil fuels starting with motorsport, that so many embrace, as well as the growing flights around the planet etc etc.

Can we consider things on a sporting level. A partnership/sponsorship that benefits our club is a good thing. If Ampol glean a greater market share of what is currently an essential commodity on the back of it, all power to them. In no way will this sponsorship detract from the real, but necessarily gradual move away from fossil fuels. Every “cause” and crusade needs to have a healthy dose of reality observed.

I respect people’s passion for this cause. Hopefully the vociferous are not hypocritical in their life choices and efforts to hasten change.

 

[Juddernaut08]

That makes zero sense, and would doubt the veracity of those claims.

There are many places to place renewables least of which is industry rooftops etc. plenty of farmers are
seeing improvements in production through layering solar and grazing just as they are silvopasture.

Land use has been an absolute balls up but saying we have to use highly productive arable land as the location for renewables sounds like the desperate cry of alarmism.




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yup, if we got desperate for solar surface area, it'd be cheaper/easier just to install it on top of houses, offices and factories...rather than

 

[Blue and Silver]

On the charge of hypocrisy I will be blunt.

That's bullshit.

I don't decide the infrastructure settings of this country or how housing developments are planned.

Of course I drive a petrol car, I am not rich enough to afford an EV. Of course I use electricity.

This is not hypocrisy, I have no reasonable way of avoiding these products. I advocate and push for the sort of changes which would allow me to choose whether I needed to drive everywhere.

Hyundai is a long standing partnership, I did not wake up to discover that we had signed up to them. It is similar with Virgin, and frankly I do not see air travel going away.

I have not shirked from this decision being emotional. To me, at this late hour of the climate debate, it is obvious that accepting a new sponsorship from a directly fossil fuel related sponsorship is a statement, deliberate or otherwise, of the club's views.

Some wish to flatten my view and paint me as being ridiculous. I do not live some environmentally perfect life, I don't have that choice, I want our society to do better, including the Carlton Football Club.

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[teagueyubeauty]

So essentially you're saying no one has the right to want change because we all rely on fossil fuels today?

This is an awesome opportunity for innovation and breakthroughs. More power to those seeking it. We're in the difficult in between bit where change is hard and divisive.

Change is happening, what are you talking about?

I fear it will be next to useless considering the vast majority of emissions come from countries who really DGAF about what you or I think

There’s a great article from Greg Sheridan in the Aus today about it.


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[WalshistheGOAT]

Of course I drive a petrol car, I am not rich enough to afford an EV. Of course I use electricity.

And the Carlton FC isn't rich and independent enough to pick and choose sponsors that have impeccable ESG scores.

 

[Blue and Silver]

And the Carlton FC isn't rich and independent enough to pick and choose sponsors that have impeccable ESG scores.

Bullshit.

Cannot and will not buy that the club has no choice here.

There are plenty of sponsors around the league who are not so directly linked to fossil fuels.

Furthermore I have never asked for perfection, this is an imagined position people keep putting on me, probably because it makes it easier to feel comfortable with your own position.

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Bullshit.

Cannot and will not buy that the club has no choice here.

There are plenty of sponsors around the league who are not so directly linked to fossil fuels.

Furthermore I have never asked for perfection, this is an imagined position people keep putting on me, probably because it makes it easier to feel comfortable with your own position.

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There's a reason we still have pokies, it's not because we're rolling in spare cash.

 

[Blue and Silver]

There's a reason we still have pokies, it's not because we're rolling in spare cash.

The reason is because it's easy.

Club could find alternate revenue sources, but it's easier than picking the fight of dumping Bruce.


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[Sonny Jim]

It's a sponsorship deal for the Carlton Football Club.

Clearly football related

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Politics DOES NOT belong on our Board.


Take it to SRP please!

Society, Religion and Politics

A board for grown-ups.

www.bigfooty.com

Enough said

 

[Blue and Silver]

Enough said

Mods agreed to the thread and I am keeping it Sponsorship related.

You're free to ignore

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[Bletch]

Change is happening, what are you talking about?

I fear it will be next to useless considering the vast majority of emissions come from countries who really DGAF about what you or I think

There’s a great article from Greg Sheridan in the Aus today about it.


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Lol. Quoting Sheridan.

 

[BlueGum]

Change is happening, what are you talking about?

I fear it will be next to useless considering the vast majority of emissions come from countries who really DGAF about what you or I think

There’s a great article from Greg Sheridan in the Aus today about it.


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Read what I replied too. I'm well aware change is happening. Need an awful lot more to reduce emissions to an acceptable level.

No need to read the Aus. I like truth.

 

[CJMB]

Lithium-ion battery recycling

How can we best address Australia's annual 3,300 tonnes of lithium-ion battery waste?

www.csiro.au

The infrastructure will come as the volume increases and we see further legislation around the topic.

Also worth noting the differences between the typical Li* modules (& critically, their power management systems) used in higher cost products like cars or industrial cells, when compared with the cheap & nasty ones found in many smaller/low-cost devices.

 

[My Hat]

So I've posted my view on this in the Media thread (not thrilled, but Ampol is primarily a retailer and seems to have already started participating in the transition away from fossil fuels, so I'm willing to go with it for now). So I'm not in quite the same boat as the original poster. But I do find the accusations of hypocrisy towards people who decide to take a stand and advocate for change to be... I'll be polite and say extremely tiresome.

This is how it comes across, to me at least.

 

[thylacine60]

I now understand I have no right to a dissenting opinion, as long as I continue to use, eat & wear things - it actually does make life a lot simpler!

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I now understand that I have no right to a dissenting opinion, as long as I continue to use, eat & wear things - it actually does make life a lot simpler!

This is my philosophy in life

Roll with it

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Up the mighty Ampol Blues….

 

[thylacine60]

and see what happened?

 

[GoBlues!]

Anyone know if Blue Betty runs on leaded or unleaded?

 

[thylacine60]

whoa blue betty, bambalam.........

 

[The Bighouse]

Anyone know if Blue Betty runs on leaded or unleaded?

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Just on polluted air ain’t it…?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Read what I replied too. I'm well aware change is happening. Need an awful lot more to reduce emissions to an acceptable level.

No need to read the Aus. I like truth.

You read what suits your narrative…we are just going to print the gazillions of dollars needed to make the dream come true….or completely bankrupt everyone


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