List Mgmt. Official 2016 trade period discussion

[DrakeOMalfoy]

So how many players are we going to need to draft?

We've moved on six (seven if Clark goes) of the 33 players who played at least a game in 2016.

Fair hit to the depth.

 

[Whit3y]

There is not much there after them. Luxford, naaah, Cunico-possibly, and maybe the rookie kid Parsons is a chance.

strewth

 

[Two Planks]

So this young key forward Kerr, will he now be gettable at 24.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

We can't claim that we look after our players wishes by taking unders in trades we're "reluctant" to do, whilst simultaneously encouraging our older players to retire for the club's best interests. You can't have it both ways. Either we look after ALL our players ALL the time, or the club's best interests come first ALL the time. It's just illogical and hypocritical.

Not to mention Caddy was apparently happy at Geelong. This wasn't a Gibbs situation where the guy desperately wanted out. He just bought a new house in Geelong a month ago. The only reason Caddy was open to the move was because Richmond approached him, and the only reason they approached him was because of a possible Deledio deal, a deal Geelong didn't get done. So now they've gone and lost a 25-year-old, near-100 game player for less than they paid for him four years ago. What an absolute disgrace. Pick 24? That's worse than the ****ing Christensen deal. And they even gave Richmond a late pick upgrade along with it. If this isn't the absolute trade period equivalent of bending over for no reason, then I don't know what is.

Wells was good for Geelong once upon a time, but I don't think he can hack it in the modern environment. Geelong is lagging behind so many others when it comes to list management and trade negotiation. How Geelong can be having salary cap issues after retiring multiple star veterans and shifting off other fringe players, with the severely limited depth the list has, is astounding. Dangerfield surely isn't even on that big of a contract relative to how good he is - that's why we didn't price Adelaide out of the marketplace, we traded for him. Who's taking up all the cap space? Horlin-Smith and Murdoch? Did they need to clear space for the big acquisition, Black?

I said it last year, and I'll say it again - Geelong trying to build a list through trading is especially a bad idea, because Geelong are soft negotiators. You won't get anywhere if you're a soft club at the trade table, and Geelong are as soft as they come.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

8am over here in Norway.
What'd I miss?

Caddy left
Kersten left
Vardy left

Pick 24 comes in along with Aaron Black and Zach Tuohy.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Not to mention Caddy was apparently happy at Geelong. This wasn't a Gibbs situation where the guy desperately wanted out. He just bought a new house in Geelong a month ago. The only reason Caddy was open to the move was because Richmond approached him, and the only reason they approached him was because of a possible Deledio deal, a deal Geelong didn't get done. So now they've gone and lost a 25-year-old, near-100 game player for less than they paid for him four years ago. What an absolute disgrace. Pick 24? That's worse than the ******* Christensen deal. And they even gave Richmond a late pick upgrade along with it. If this isn't the absolute trade period equivalent of bending over for no reason, then I don't know what is.

Wells was good for Geelong once upon a time, but I don't think he can hack it in the modern environment. Geelong is lagging behind so many others when it comes to list management and trade negotiation. How Geelong can be having salary cap issues after retiring multiple star veterans and shifting off other fringe players, with the severely limited depth the list has, is astounding. Dangerfield surely isn't even on that big of a contract relative to how good he is - that's why we didn't price Adelaide out of the marketplace, we traded for him. Who's taking up all the cap space? Horlin-Smith and Murdoch? Did they need to clear space for the big acquisition, Black?

I said it last year, and I'll say it again - Geelong trying to build a list through trading is especially a bad idea, because Geelong are soft negotiators. You won't get anywhere if you're a soft club at the trade table, and Geelong are as soft as they come.

Nail. On. The. Head

 

[Freomaniac]

Yet again, I really think we should have chased Taberner as part of the deal. Mostly likely Kersten + GHS for Taberner + mid-range Freo pick. We avoid getting ourselves into an unreasonable/messy trade, but simultaneously address the forward depth and structure-related issues. The prospect of an additional inside mid (GHS) playing alongside Fyfe and Bennell might have proven attractive enough for the Dockers to take this.

As for Richmond, no deal if they think 27 is acceptable for Caddy. Beginning to sound like Hawthorn with their incessant, unreasonable demands as the interested buyer this trade period. Need to offer up something acceptable (i.e. #15 for Caddy and maybe a 65+ pick) if they're actually fair dinkum.

Matt Tarberner is out of contract next year.

 

[Ricketz]

Yes
If no one contracted wanted to be traded would we have been over the Cap in 2017?

Im guessing no, but also that we wouldnt have picked up tuohy or black either. So, it doesn't really matter either way why they needed to do it, because neither of us has the information that would let us know.

 

[vicpride]

Just looked at the drafting numbers last 10 years. Disgraceful, haven't developed an A grader since Selwood. Time for a change. Anyone who thinks we are near a flag is kidding themselves. Danger and Selwood put on brilliant years. Hawkins delivered, Enright was AA. The rest give me a spell. We've achieved nothing last 5 years yet carry on as if we are winning flags

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[Reg Hickey]

So there are a lot of complaints about Caddy being pick 7 a few years ago, and us getting only pick 24 for him now after developing him for a few years.

Maybe those people should have a look at what GWS traded late today ...

IN: Picks 45, 58, 135, 2017 1st rounder
OUT: Marchbank (pick 6, 2014), Pickett (pick 4, 2014), Palmer (pick 7, 2007 & Rising Star Winner 2008), 2017 2nd rounder

That's three players who were all top 10 picks and have plenty of football left, for a couple of late picks and an upgrade of a 2017 pick.

Seriously, if our Caddy trade was bad, what do you make of that??

 

[LawnMosey]

How Geelong can be having salary cap issues after retiring multiple star veterans and shifting off other fringe players, with the severely limited depth the list has, is astounding. Dangerfield surely isn't even on that big of a contract relative to how good he is - that's why we didn't price Adelaide out of the marketplace, we traded for him. Who's taking up all the cap space? Horlin-Smith and Murdoch? Did they need to clear space for the big acquisition, Black?

Trimmed for focus.

On the salary cap, you know that clubs are required to spend at least 95% of the total cap every year? I understand that it's then a matter of management, but it's also why some teams have kids on big contracts, which skews the marketplace. To maintain a strong list with 30 odd players capable of contributing in a given year is a bloody tough ask. You can only hope that when the top of your list is strong, you have some young kids on small-ish contracts performing really well. It worked for the Doggies and probably Sydney as well. They'll have their own salary cap issues soon enough.

 

[GFrost]

Im guessing no, but also that we wouldnt have picked up tuohy or black either. So, it doesn't really matter either way why they needed to do it, because neither of us has the information that would let us know.

If Tuohy is costing us Caddy, Kersten, Smedts, Vardy, Bartel, and Enrights wages we are beyond help. As for Black, *smacks head*

 

[Hoooops]

What the ****?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

So there are a lot of complaints about Caddy being pick 7 a few years ago, and us getting only pick 24 for him now after developing him for a few years.

Maybe those people should have a look at what GWS traded late today ...

IN: Picks 45, 58, 135, 2017 1st rounder
OUT: Marchbank (pick 6, 2014), Pickett (pick 4, 2014), Palmer (pick 7, 2007 & Rising Star Winner 2008), 2017 2nd rounder

That's three players who were all top 10 picks and have plenty of football left, for a couple of late picks and an upgrade of a 2017 pick.

Seriously, if our Caddy trade was bad, what do you make of that??

I make of it that GWS have an overabundance of talented young players on their list and high draft picks. They also need to cut their list and contract spending back. Comparing Geelong to an expansion club is kind of ridiculous.

 

[HaroLad]

What the ****?

Indeed.

 

[Munich]

So there are a lot of complaints about Caddy being pick 7 a few years ago, and us getting only pick 24 for him now after developing him for a few years.

Maybe those people should have a look at what GWS traded late today ...

IN: Picks 45, 58, 135, 2017 1st rounder
OUT: Marchbank (pick 6, 2014), Pickett (pick 4, 2014), Palmer (pick 7, 2007 & Rising Star Winner 2008), 2017 2nd rounder

That's three players who were all top 10 picks and have plenty of football left, for a couple of late picks and an upgrade of a 2017 pick.

Seriously, if our Caddy trade was bad, what do you make of that??

GWS are on their way to multiple flags.

I don't think these trades of theirs matter in the slightest.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So how many players are we going to need to draft?

We've moved on six (seven if Clark goes) of the 33 players who played at least a game in 2016.

Fair hit to the depth.

Enright bartel smedts caddy kersten vardy out tuohy and black in. Currently 34 on senior list. Assuming we go with 38 on the senior list 4 live picks (one might be FS in simpson) or 3 if we elevate ruggles. Back to 4 if clark goes.

 

[Spazz Cat]

So there are a lot of complaints about Caddy being pick 7 a few years ago, and us getting only pick 24 for him now after developing him for a few years.

Maybe those people should have a look at what GWS traded late today ...

IN: Picks 45, 58, 135, 2017 1st rounder
OUT: Marchbank (pick 6, 2014), Pickett (pick 4, 2014), Palmer (pick 7, 2007 & Rising Star Winner 2008), 2017 2nd rounder

That's three players who were all top 10 picks and have plenty of football left, for a couple of late picks and an upgrade of a 2017 pick.

Seriously, if our Caddy trade was bad, what do you make of that??

Completely different. They have picks and talent to burn. And will still have picks to burn next year and probably the year after.

 

[Whit3y]

Just looked at the drafting numbers last 10 years. Disgraceful, haven't developed an A grader since Selwood. Time for a change. Anyone who thinks we are near a flag is kidding themselves. Danger and Selwood put on brilliant years. Hawkins delivered, Enright was AA. The rest give me a spell. We've achieved nothing last 5 years yet carry on as if we are winning flags

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in wells we trust?

 

[goyoucatters]

Acknowledge it yes. Respect it? Not in the slightest.

This isn't a charity, or some PR exercise to ensure ex-players get jobs elsewhere because we don't want to hurt their feelings. This is professional sport, with one single goal - winning premierships. If a club isn't doing everything in its power to advance that goal, they aren't doing their job.

You are clearly one of the best going around these parts, Parts.

But the fact you don't respect the club for taking an attitude that puts the lives and livelihoods of its players into the mix when considering its decisions on list management doesn't worry (or surprise) me in the slightest.

It's also clear that you don't respect my viewpoint on these matters either. And that's all good too.

In the end, I don't just follow the club to see us win flags. As beautiful as that experience has turned out to be. I'm also proud to support a footy club that seeks to combine a desire to 'play the game as it should be played' with an ethos that we 'treat people as they should be treated'. Rather than treating them as pawns in a mercenary quest for fleeting glory.

And while this is all no doubt both anathema and 'blue sky and rainbows' to you, it is definitely part of the attraction of the GFC for me.

Each to their own, of course.

Because I do respect your opinion that my viewpoint on this subject is entirely unworthy of respect.

 

[Hoooops]

Indeed.

I would like to lose consciousness for a few weeks.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So there are a lot of complaints about Caddy being pick 7 a few years ago, and us getting only pick 24 for him now after developing him for a few years.

Maybe those people should have a look at what GWS traded late today ...

IN: Picks 45, 58, 135, 2017 1st rounder
OUT: Marchbank (pick 6, 2014), Pickett (pick 4, 2014), Palmer (pick 7, 2007 & Rising Star Winner 2008), 2017 2nd rounder

That's three players who were all top 10 picks and have plenty of football left, for a couple of late picks and an upgrade of a 2017 pick.

Seriously, if our Caddy trade was bad, what do you make of that??

They can afford to burn picks though as they have more high ones than us.

We rolled over too much. Should never have given the first for tuohy unless we were certsin of getting a first for caddy. Rolled over on caddy. Not trading back into the first round a fail.

Rolled over on kersten wb were in the same spot as us and got 35.
Should have put vardy in the draft for what we were offered.

Tuohy is good but not enough to make up for the rest of it.
If we needed to clear cap we should have salary dumped murdoch or ghs in a trade rather than move caddy for that.

Last years trade period was excellent this year poor.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Good one. Should pay closer attention to my predictions. When I say you need to bookmark it, it's usually a good bet.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So this young key forward Kerr, will he now be gettable at 24.

Around that 20-25 range probably.

 

[romeohwho]

As some guy said on Winners and Losers-'Geelong, battered and bloody, but ok.'
That's about how I feel too.
Forward unto the breach. Go Cats. Bring on 2017-can't wait.