Our Lowest Draft Pick should be Pick 8

[WALL-e]

3 First rounders for Rutten and Stevens are massive overs HC.

 

[spexau]

If it was 3 picks it would be a 1st and two 2nds.

 

[hugecannon]

I agree on Stevens maybe our 2nd pick and Stevens for say pick 13 - something along those lines but I do believe that Rutten should get a decent return, I'm not saying pick 1 & 2 but say picks 7 & 15. IMO that's not unreasonable for a player like Rutten.

 

[Vader]

I would be talking with GC right now about draft picks and perhaps offering a package of Talia & McKernan for an early pick. Perhaps they would take Talia and Vince for pick 4? That way we might get Day and a GUN midfielder within the first 8 picks of the draft.

Richmond will have pick #4, not GC. GC have 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, ...

Besides, GC are expected to go tall with many of their early picks in a very good draft. Why would they want to trade for Talia and McKernan? Talia was taken at #10 in a much weaker draft and has only been in the system 1 year longer than their own draftees. McKernan himself has only been in the system for 2 years. It doesn't make any sense as they can access better talls already with the draft selections they already have.

If we're going to get one of GC's first round selections then we need to be prepared to give up something they'll actually want.

Perhaps Johncock and McKernan would be attractive. If we could move on some of our 193 cm players for a ruckman as well that would be a good outcome.

Closer to the mark. I still don't think they'll be interested in McKernan.

I wonder if Essendon would bite at Thompson for C. Bock, Alwyn Davey and a 2nd round pick?

Bite.. they'd take the bait, jump out of the water, do 4 backflips and sing the hallelujah chorus. Davey averages less than 13 disposals per game and less than 1 goal per game, his only real strength is tackling (4.3 per game); he might be worth a 2nd rounder on a good day - probably a 3rd rounder. Bock can't even break into the Essendon team at all - we already have the good Bock brother on our list; Christian Bock has no value at all and we have no need for a player of his type.

So, essentially you're suggesting that we give up our best centre clearance specialist, our best midfielder, the only hard bodied midfielder we'll have on our entire list when the veterans retire... for a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder. No chance. Thompson for Essendon's 1st and 2nd round selections and Davey - then we can start talking turkey. Burgoyne cost Hawthorn 2x 1st round selections and he can't even get on the park because of injury (all known before the trade). Thompson has to be worth that and more.

If it was me, I'd be putting everything out there and seeing what they (GC) will bite at. Remember that as a new club they will need some older more experienced and stronger bodies. I don't see them actually getting many good quality players out of the free agency signings.

Absolutely. Don't forget that we need mature bodies of our own, given that we'll probably be losing 5 or 6 of them at the end of this year and we only have 9 or 10 of them right now.

By all means we should be investigating the options for trading with GC for draft selections.. but we need to be realistic about what they want and what our players are worth.

 

[Vader]

I don't see much point in trading one of our young KPP's like McKernan or Talia at this stage you will never get a decent return on them. If we're serious about trading a KPP I would trade Rutten to the GC for 2 1st round picks and maybe Stevens to them if we could jag another 1st rounder for him (which I agree is optimistic - but he would provide them with a versatile KPP who can play either end). Rutten is still an elite FB and a new team will be screaming out for someone of his calibre while their young KPP are developing.

No chance.

Rutten is right in the age range of interest to them, turning 27 next week, but he's not worth 2x 1st round selections. 1x 1st round selection yes, 2x no.

Stevens is too old (28) and too mediocre to be of interest to them. We'd be lucky to get a 3rd round selection for him - and I can't even see why GC would be interested in the first place.

 

[Crow About It]

Talia is a real trade option imo. Dont know why we recruited him.

In NC's eyes we need someone to replace Burton when he retires.........

 

[WaynesWorld19]

This is fine ....but we'll get a fit side in the 2nd half of the season, play some good footy and finish 10th ......what draft choice does that give us?

 

[Vader]

This is fine ....but we'll get a fit side in the 2nd half of the season, play some good footy and finish 10th ......what draft choice does that give us?

You don't want to know...

 

[WALL-e]

19 I think WW.

 

[jackster83]

This is fine ....but we'll get a fit side in the 2nd half of the season, play some good footy and finish 10th ......what draft choice does that give us?

Probably this:

 

[StonesThrow]

surely we should be trying to trade with the GC for picks?

Brad Moran for pick 1.

 

[Chief Crow]

This is who I like the sound of

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Harley Bennell (Peel Thunder/Pinjarra)
October 2, 1992, 180cm, 70kg
An AIS-AFL Academy graduate, Harley is a high-possession winner at senior WAFL level for Peel Thunder. He plays half-back and half-forward. Harley reads the play really well and has electrifying speed. He is a good decision-maker.

“Harley Bennell is Harley Bennell and I’m sure recruiting people are already rather excited about what he has shown and how he can potentially develop to be a very good AFL player,” Wiley told afl.com.au.

“He’s certainly a modern-type footballer, he’s a good size and very athletic. He’s got great pace and excellent skills on both sides of his body and he can play in a number of positions.

“His skills and his ball-getting ability are very exciting.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94594/default.aspx

 

[James23]

Uhh i want this season to be over already

It is so tempting to want a top 10 draft pick in this year, but i also cant help but barrack whole heartedly for them on weekends

 

[Paladin]

I saw Polec from WWT last year and im sold. Quality SA mid. Anybody seen him this year? Will he be available at pick 8?

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

This is who I like the sound of

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Harley Bennell (Peel Thunder/Pinjarra)
October 2, 1992, 180cm, 70kg
An AIS-AFL Academy graduate, Harley is a high-possession winner at senior WAFL level for Peel Thunder. He plays half-back and half-forward. Harley reads the play really well and has electrifying speed. He is a good decision-maker.

“Harley Bennell is Harley Bennell and I’m sure recruiting people are already rather excited about what he has shown and how he can potentially develop to be a very good AFL player,” Wiley told afl.com.au.

“He’s certainly a modern-type footballer, he’s a good size and very athletic. He’s got great pace and excellent skills on both sides of his body and he can play in a number of positions.

“His skills and his ball-getting ability are very exciting.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/94594/default.aspx

Do you think he'll slip to our pick past the Gold Coast? I seriously hope so as this guy sounds like the exact type of play we're after and a good one at that. I also like the look of Jared Polec from WWT. Quality, goal kicking wingman who has already played seniors.

 

[Chief Crow]

Do you think he'll slip to our pick past the Gold Coast? I seriously hope so as this guy sounds like the exact type of play we're after and a good one at that. I also like the look of Jared Polec from WWT. Quality, goal kicking wingman who has already played seniors.

I'm expecting GC to take a mid and 2 KKP with the 1st 3 picks. Richmond to target a key forward. What GC do with the next pick is where it will get interesting. I think if we had pick 6 we may have a chance but thats all a big guess at this stage. Just reading about him I like what I hear

 

[oldcrowgirl]

Doesn't cut it I'm afraid. Needed one more cm to be on our radar .

The thing is, our young KPP who we may look to use as trade bait haven't played enough footy for other clubs to give up what we would want for them. I think Craigy really needs to bite the bullet and play these guys more. This will give them valuable game time and a chance for them to show off their capabilities on the big stage, which in turn will hopefully increase their value for trade (or decrease ), or start to show their potential and why we should hold on to them for our future success!

Got your extra height on Sam Day. From Australian baseball site http://www.2010nyc.baseball.com.au/...0_Under_18_NYC/23380/0,Team_Rosters/23448/0/0 Sam's details for the state u18 baseball in January 2010,


Name # Ht Wt bats Throws position

Sam Day 9 197cm 92kg right right infield

 

[big78sam]

I don't normally like to make generalisations but there's something ringing alarm bells about taking a young indigenous midfielder with "potential" with a pick like 6. I know there are exception eg Rioli, Buddy (although not a small) but there have been a number that haven't worked, e.g. Raph Clarke, Tambling, Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls (spelling?), Daniel Wells.

They have turned out OK but not haven't fulfilled their potential or necessarily justified their high pick. It is easy in hindsight though

I guess it's a risk/reward trade off. You look at Rioli, a kid with great "potential" who slid in the draft. With these types of guys it's a higher risk but a big reward if it turns out. I'm just not convinced it's worth the risk

I must admit I don't know much about this particular kid and am sure I'll have people disagreeing with me. That's half the reason I posted, I'm happy to have my mind changed about this. Thoughts?

 

[neddy36]

I saw Polec from WWT last year and im sold. Quality SA mid. Anybody seen him this year? Will he be available at pick 8?

Even I haven't been getting to the games early enough to see Polec play. At one stage was at risk of being dropped from the Reserves team after playing Finals football as a 16 year old last year. Having an average 2010.

 

[kulak]

If you think it's going to be 2-3 years at least before we're a contender (like I do), then we should trade away quality senior players who will be past their best in 2-3 years, for young players or draft picks.

Our likely trading partner would be a team which is currently (or expects to be) a contender looking to fill a gap in their line-up.

The obvious ones would be Bock (27), Rutten (26), Johncock (27), and of course Thompson (27).

Bulldogs and Hawks might be interested.

 

[TheMelbourneCrow]

I tried to hold it in but I just can't anymore.

WTF is up with everyone wanting to trade Talia.
The kid has tallent, he reminds me very much of Otto.
He has real skill, yes he likes a spray tan, but he can find the ball, give him a year or so, and we will see what he is really capable of.

Bock should not be traded, he runs our backline, for god sakes he is a AA CHB.

Steven's needs to be traded or delisted. Ideally traded 3rd to GC, 2nd if they are feeling a little stupid on the day.
Doughty/Douglas need to be offered as bait. If they dont get taken by someone else we keep them.
Maybe port still needs a ruckman - Griff for anything they will give us.
I would be willing to part with Thomo if we got a Gibbs/Giffen

And I know I will get torn appart for this, but I would trade Tipp if he asked to leave for 2 first rounders, one of which must be pick 1/2/3

 

[Schulzycrow]

Maybe Talia for Gibbs and our first draft pick. I see he's still out of contract at the end of the year.[/quote]

Reading a bit about Gibbs not signed yet. Would be sweet to get him seeing we got shafted drafting him in the first place through father son.

We will have plenty of room in the salary cap due to the retirements of at least 4 of our senior players. We will have a high draft pick and should go all out for a ready made young mid. Trade Tahlia, who while could be a star, I remember the howls of protest from the Blues when they didn't draft him last year.

AFC should be making a big play for a player who could be a future captian of the club.

We have to give something up to get a ready made star from another club. Sacrifices have to be made.

 

[TheMelbourneCrow]

Talia + Pick 6/8 for Gibbs - i believe is over the odds.
Talia + PP for Gibbs is fair.

Just think of it this way, would you swap Otto with talia in that trade, NO, then trading Talia is not fair value. Maybe I overrate the Kid, but honestly I can see talent all over him.

 

[Schulzycrow]

I tried to hold it in but I just can't anymore.

WTF is up with everyone wanting to trade Talia.
The kid has tallent, he reminds me very much of Otto.
He has real skill, yes he likes a spray tan, but he can find the ball, give him a year or so, and we will see what he is really capable of.

Bock should not be traded, he runs our backline, for god sakes he is a AA CHB.

Steven's needs to be traded or delisted. Ideally traded 3rd to GC, 2nd if they are feeling a little stupid on the day.
Doughty/Douglas need to be offered as bait. If they dont get taken by someone else we keep them.
Maybe port still needs a ruckman - Griff for anything they will give us.
I would be willing to part with Thomo if we got a Gibbs/Giffen

And I know I will get torn appart for this, but I would trade Tipp if he asked to leave for 2 first rounders, one of which must be pick 1/2/3

Yes Tahlia is a talent, but unproven, that gives him value. Won't get anything for Stevens or Doughty, Douglas maybe, but he is starting to show something, would cut others before him.
Tippett is struggling at the moment, but AFC would be the laughing stock if they traded him for a draft pick even if it was 1-3.
With Griff I would be happy for a draft pick from anyone who would take him....dunno - delist if he can't pull his finger out.
Can't get rid of Thomo as he is our senior mid.
At least 1 of our senior players should play on next season. Macca is the one at the moment who could play on...maybe Goody

As mentioned in my last post Adelaide needs to be super aggressive and look for ready made players either from other AFL clubs, the VFL, WAFL, or SANFL. Look to use this crap season to make sure we start 2011 in a far better position.

 

[Dogga]

As mentioned in my last post Adelaide needs to be super aggressive and look for ready made players either from other AFL clubs, the VFL, WAFL, or SANFL. Look to use this crap season to make sure we start 2011 in a far better position.

Agree 100%. Unlikely to ever happen under the current administration but the end of 2010 could be a good time to finally get agressive in trade week.

Star power in the midfield is a key concern, McLeod, Goodwin and Edwards our starting rotation last week and 2, possibly all 3, unlikely to be on board in 2011. Says alot about where we are. Griffen and Gibbs both out of contract and yet to sign. I hope we are seriously into their manager's ear at the moment. Imagine those two together in the Adelaide midfield? Every Crows supporters wet dream.

Not sure what the asking price for both would be but we would have to be giving up some quality. But if we finish 15th, we will get some additional leverage with an early PSD pick (not sure how this is going to work with Gold Coast this year??) - maybe pick 2 in the PSD? Also with free agency 2 years away we could play the card of trade with us now or risk losing them for nothing down the track.

Like I said above, highly unlikely but could Rendell and Harper go to Carlton and offer up, say Bock and Johncock for Gibbs and Sam Jacobs? Carlton might hate that idea, might love it - don't know. We lose Bock who has been steady but uninspiring since the start of 2009 and have a relacement already in Davis who looks like a long term KPP. Johncock, well still a quality player but his repeated indiscretons put him in the trade category imo. We have small defender options in Armstrong, Petrenko, Symes. Bock and Johncock over the odds for Gibbs alone so we ask for Jacobs as well, who is much improved this year and has changed in body shape since leaving SA. To me, a ruck combination of Maric and Sellar/Moran/Craig/McKernan is not going to be competitive against the big guns (or even Goldstein ). Jacobs, whilst raw has the potential to be a No 1 ruckman long term imo and Ivan would be a great no 2. Throw the kitchen sink at both Gibbs and Jacobs contract wise and see if we can stretch the Blues salary cap wise.

That's Gibbs and Jacobs sorted, now for Griffen

Bernie Vince, hurts to say this after round 8 but does the boy have what it takes to become elite or will that potential stay unfulfilled? Not sure of his contract status, but if he is contracted past 2010 Rendell and Harper go to the Gold Coast and see which of their first rounders they are willing to part with for Bernie. Probably in the realm of 7, 9 or 11 I would say. We then on-trade that pick to the Dogs with their choice of McKernan/Douglas/Young/ Henderson. Again, who knows what the Dogs are going to think of that, but that is getting towards a fair trade imo for someone we could potentially lure through the PSD. Kitchen sink theory with Griffen too, I would assume our salary cap space will open right up with the forseen departures at seasons end.

In essence we lose Bock, Johncock and Vince and pick up Gibbs, Griffen and Jacobs. Would give us a 22 next year something like

F. Porplyzia Tippett Douglas
HF. Knights Walker Dangerfield
C. Mackay Thompson Martin
HB. Symes Davis van Berlo
B. Petrenko Rutten Otten
1R. Jacobs Griffen Gibbs
IC (from). Cook Maric Sloane Stevens Reilly Gunston Schmidt Armstrong

Griffen and Gibbs address the star power issue through the midfield and the vacuum in leadership that will be created at the end of 2010. And we still keep our allocated picks.

Like I said at the start highly unlikely to happen but due to our crappy start to the year I have been dreaming about list management rather than finals. Feel free to rip it to shreds but dreaming about this sort of stuff makes me feel a lot better than thinking about last weeks effort against North Melbourne.