Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 24

[PowerBaz]

I've been hearing for at least a year Hardwich wants to get the f**k out of Melbourne. He's had enough. That doesn't mean he necessarily wants to come back to Adelaide, but i think he'd relish an environment like ours. I also think he'd be even better as a senior assistant/mentor overseeing Josh Carr as Senior Coach.

He did this house up with his new missus.

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I'd say he owns that Hardwick Design and Build too.

 

[all seeing eye]

Crazy to throw away a lucrative AFL coaching career to focus on a speculative Burnout career.

He will move into a lucrative cruisy media gig. May return in the future after good break.

 

[backtozero]

How many coaches have won flags at multiple clubs? Can’t be many.

Alan Jeans - St.Kilda 1966, Hawthorn 1983, 86, 89
Ron Barassi - Carlton 1970, Norf 1975
David Parkin - Hawthorn 1978, Carlton 81, 82, 95
Leigh Matthews - Collingwood 1990, Brisbane 01, 02, 03
Mick Malthouse - West Coast 1992, 1994, Collingwood 2010

 

[Steve Dore]

Ron Barassi - Carlton 1970, Norf 1975
David Parkin - Hawthorn 1978, Carlton 81, 82, 95
Leigh Matthews - Collingwood 1990, Brisbane 01, 02, 03
Mick Malthouse - West Coast 1992, 1994, Collingwood 2010

Kenny Hinkley - Camperdown 1999, 2000, Bell Park 2003

 

[Festerz]

I've been hearing for at least a year Hardwich wants to get the f**k out of Melbourne. He's had enough. That doesn't mean he necessarily wants to come back to Adelaide, but i think he'd relish an environment like ours. I also think he'd be even better as a senior assistant/mentor overseeing Josh Carr as Senior Coach.

Sorry, maybe the world I've worked in is different. But successful organisations don't go half arsed when it comes to selecting leaders to take them forward to the next level.

We have in Josh Carr an aspiring leader who has already achieved so much in their 2IC role and who is ready to move to the next level. He is not the sort of person who would accept a position as leader on the condition that a shadow come into 'help' them - especially a shadow who is as competitive and successful as Hardwick.

Any leader with any self respect would say FU to that idea and look elsewhere as it's pretty clear that the Board aren't fully convinced of their credentials. It's a safety net for a conditional leader and heckin'g insulting given what Carr has achieved with the rest of the revitalised Port coaching panel this year. And we have the key ingredients on and off field to take that next step- people who Carr now knows exceptionally well.

Have the stones to back your selected leaders whole heartedly or don't do it all.

And looking backwards for success is just dumb. The equivalent of buying shares long after they've peaked.

 

[philreich]

I actually believe the burn out excuse, has not looked himself in the coach’s box lately.
Only thing I don’t like is we are playing them this week.
It he coaches the players will throw everything at us and the umpires will play there role also.
If he stands down we get the dreaded new coach first week always wins scenario also with the umpires all over them.
Things have just got tougher for us.

Or perhaps Richmond will be 3 points up with seconds remaining, before a free kick and 50 metre penalty are paid to Charlie Dixon in the goal square, due to an interchange infringement.

 

[Jojay]

 

[Cam1870]

Hardwick to quit Richmond in bombshell coaching call

Exclusive news from SEN's Tom Morris.

www.sen.com.au

Of course has to be this week!!!

Firefighter job just opened up

 

[Grave Danger]

Instead of murdering his failed greyhounds, Hinkley could start a side hustle providing the dogs to burnt out AFL coaches as therapy pets. Might be more humane than this plan to send the poor things to America...

 

[raptalia]

Own goal - Wikipedia

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As a legitimate defensive play, an Australian rules football defender may concede an "own score". Such a score, referred to as a rushed behind and statistically credited to no player (score sheets simply include the tally of rushed behinds), results in the opposition team scoring one point. A defending player may choose to concede a rushed behind when the risk of the opposition scoring a goal (worth six points) is high. It is impossible for a team to concede an own goal worth six points.

Unless your name is Dan Houston.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I see what Damien is trying to do here.
He was always a shrewd operator.


Step down in the couple of days leading into the Richmond Port clash at the MCG this week.
Port gets annihilated by an emotionally charged Richmond and a stadium full of rabid Richmond supporters.
Port doesn’t recover this year.
Hardwick hopes to walk into the Port job in August.

Doubt it will work though.
Yes this post is tongue in cheek.
Hope he is ok emotionally but sheesh what a week to play Richmond.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Alan Jeans - St.Kilda 1966, Hawthorn 1983, 86, 89
Ron Barassi - Carlton 1970, Norf 1975
David Parkin - Hawthorn 1978, Carlton 81, 82, 95
Leigh Matthews - Collingwood 1990, Brisbane 01, 02, 03
Mick Malthouse - West Coast 1992, 1994, Collingwood 2010

Wow. It looks like only David Parkin has taken 3 different lists to a premiership. Respect.

 

[chiwigi]

Sorry, maybe the world I've worked in is different. But successful organisations don't go half arsed when it comes to selecting leaders to take them forward to the next level.

We have in Josh Carr an aspiring leader who has already achieved so much in their 2IC role and who is ready to move to the next level. He is not the sort of person who would accept a position as leader on the condition that a shadow come into 'help' them - especially a shadow who is as competitive and successful as Hardwick.

Any leader with any self respect would say FU to that idea and look elsewhere as it's pretty clear that the Board aren't fully convinced of their credentials. It's a safety net for a conditional leader and *ingg insulting given what Carr has achieved with the rest of the revitalised Port coaching panel this year. And we have the key ingredients on and off field to take that next step- people who Carr now knows exceptionally well.

Have the stones to back your selected leaders whole heartedly or don't do it all.

And looking backwards for success is just dumb. The equivalent of buying shares long after they've peaked.

Taking on an experienced mentor is certainly the mode at higher levels. Having a proven winner like Hardwick who doesn't want your job makes sense on a thousand levels.

A good leader would take on all the advice and assistance he needs to be successful and not worry about his ego.

 

[Festerz]

Taking on an experienced mentor is certainly the mode at higher levels. Having a proven winner like Hardwick who doesn't want your job makes sense on a thousand levels.

A good leader would take on all the advice and assistance he needs to be successful and not worry about his ego.

Agreed but my point is that Hardwick in a 2IC /mentor role would always be seen as a potential lead coach in waiting, especially after a few losses. Hardwick did not build his reputation on being a good support act.

 

[Sir Watchalot]

That's what I wonder what is the point of making bucket loads of cash as an AFL Club.

If you're useless financially the AFL just give you money anyway.

You can make zillions but you aren't allowed to spend it anywhere so why bother.

You can spend over the soft cap but there's a heavy surcharge on it. 200% stated on a show (Footy Classified?) last night. Which I interpret as $1 spent over the soft cap, a further $2 to the AFL.

 

[chiwigi]

Agreed but my point is that Hardwick in a 2IC /mentor role would always be seen as a potential lead coach in waiting, especially after a few losses. Hardwick did not build his reputation on being a good support act.

He didn't build it by quitting half way through the season either.

People change.

 

[Festerz]

He didn't build it by quitting half way through the season either.

People change.

They need time to change. And Hardwick says he needs a break from the game after many years at the top. So any talk of him coming back to SA is moot.

There's also the fact that mentors are chosen to fill gaps and build upon potential weaknesses in new leaders. It will be up to Port to work with the new coach to see what mentoring role is best for them - maybe the gap is on working with players and the media- maybe something else. What they need determines who they need.

As I've said before, I reckon that mentoring of a new coach is happening before our eyes at Port with Carr sitting in the coaching box and Hinkley now on the bench.

 

[chiwigi]

They need time to change. And Hardwick says he needs a break from the game after many years at the top. So any talk of him coming back to SA is moot.

There's also the fact that mentors are chosen to fill gaps and potential weaknesses in new leaders. It will be up to Port to work with the new coach to see what mentoring role is best for them - maybe the gap is on working with players and the media- maybe something else.

As I've said before, I reckon that mentoring of a new coach is happening before our eyes with Carr sitting in the coaching box and Hinkley on the bench.

Mentors also enhance strengths. Not just fill gaps.

In my 'extra' job I have a mentor, it's my own business, it overlaps with their business etc. but the mutual benefits are huge. Particularly when I was starting up.

Having someone who is not reliant on you for their job (assistant coaches) or responsible for hiring you (director of footy ops) to work with is amazing. As long as it is non hierarchical. They get fresh ideas and perspectives, you avoid simple mistakes.

Perfect candidates like Hardwick and Carr for this relationship don't come up often.

Knowing Port they will use Hinkley in this role instead.

 

[Buget]

They need time to change. And Hardwick says he needs a break from the game after many years at the top. So any talk of him coming back to SA is moot.

There's also the fact that mentors are chosen to fill gaps and build upon potential weaknesses in new leaders. It will be up to Port to work with the new coach to see what mentoring role is best for them - maybe the gap is on working with players and the media- maybe something else. What they need determines who they need.

As I've said before, I reckon that mentoring of a new coach is happening before our eyes at Port with Carr sitting in the coaching box and Hinkley now on the bench.

So, do you think Hinkley is a chance to transition into that "football director" or "director of coaching" type role? If so, not making it public may mean that it will work - take similar arrangements tried at Hawthorn and Collingwood, both badly failed. For the record, I don't necessarily agree that is what is happening.

 

[Festerz]

Perfect candidates like Hardwick and Carr for this relationship don't come up often.

And it hasn't come up now.

He's walking away from coaching for personal reasons with a year and a half left on his contract - blindsiding Richmond in the process.

The social media chattering about where he might end up is understandable but makes zero sense to me atm.

 

[Sir Watchalot]

Agreed but my point is that Hardwick in a 2IC /mentor role would always be seen as a potential lead coach in waiting, especially after a few losses. Hardwick did not build his reputation on being a good support act.

Well that's a sort of happy* curse on Hardwick now. Wherever he goes in footy he'll be seen as a potential lead coach in waiting. There will be clubs that would love to have him but will choose not to because of the destabilising effect on their actual head coach every time performance dips.

* happy because it's a result of great success

 

[Festerz]

So, do you think Hinkley is a chance to transition into that "football director" or "director of coaching" type role?

No.

My observation is that there has been a substantial shift in the coaching dynamics at Port in recent weeks. Not just on game day but during the week.

My suspicion/hunch is that Carr is taking on a more substantial tactical coaching role on game day and is more involved in the pre game planning and selections during the week. The on field changes have been obvious. And I reckon Hinkley is enjoying being on the bench, engaging with the players while simultaneously taking the media focus off Carr as he builds his craft.

I think that means a transition to Carr as Head Coach is now underway with the clear acceptance and agreement of Hinkley. That it is being done without fanfare or formal announcement is what is making it work imho. Merely an optimistic guess on my part.

Once that veil of informality is gone, having Hinkley remain in a coaching role in any form (including as mentor) will probably be untenable for the reasons you outlined - Carr will need the clear air to be seen as THE coach.

For the record, I don't necessarily agree that is what is happening.

All just supposition on my part of course. Your guesses are just as valid.

 

[bomberclifford]

As I've said before, I reckon that mentoring of a new coach is happening before our eyes at Port with Carr sitting in the coaching box and Hinkley now on the bench.

I think this is the closest scenario to what's happening.

 

[Festerz]

Hardwick's presser on now and Richmond have issued the following statement:

Damien Hardwick Statement

Richmond senior coach Damien Hardwick today announced his resignation.

www.richmondfc.com.au

 

[Buget]

No.

My observation is that there has been a substantial shift in the coaching dynamics at Port in recent weeks. Not just on game day but during the week.

My suspicion/hunch is that Carr is taking on a more substantial tactical coaching role on game day and is more involved in the pre game planning and selections during the week. The on field changes have been obvious.

I think that means a transition to Carr as Head Coach is now underway with the clear acceptance and agreement of Hinkley. That it is being done without fanfare or formal announcement is what is making it work imho. Merely an optimistic guess on my part.

Once that veil of informality is gone, having Hinkley remain in a coaching role in any form (including as mentor) will probably be untenable for the reasons you outlined - Carr will need the clear air to be seen as THE coach.




All just supposition on my part of course. Your guesses are just as valid.

I agree that Carr appears to be taking more of a tactical role. But this is needed if Hinkley is going to coach from the bench.

My opinion is that the move to the bench is the most progressive move made by Hinkley in years. I disagree with thoughts that Hinkley can't coach tactic - think of the chaos ball against West Coast or the roughing up of Gawn a few years ago - my issues is the inability to change mid-game. So far this year we have seen very un-Port Adelaide moves of the dropping a veteran ruck and HBF, turning a HBF into a HFF and moving a key defender to being a key forward - with the expection of dropping Lycett the others have happened mid game. I'm not sure who is "calling the shots" but there has been a change in the coaching management approach.