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Max Gawn now the tallest person to have 20+ con poss, 10+ clearances, 7+ tackles and 1+ goals in a game Takes the record off Brodie Grundy.
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You need KPIs.
1. The number of contests you can get to.
You might not need to get to 80 contests around the ground and 30 centre contests but you'd better be able to if need be.
2. Compete and get the ball to our advantage ie. In our case the ground.
3. You can't win the contest you wreck the contest.
Gawn only averages about 30% hit outs to advantage. The games decided by what happens the other 70% of the time.
4. Tap work. It's a ballerina performing at the big day out. Beautiful but we're looking for Iggy Pop and the Stooges.
Really nice to have everything but the 1st 3 really matter.
Could you train a key position player who didn't make the grade? The key position player would have more talent overall and just needs to get a motor. If tap work is kinda irrelevant then you are just left with a key position player. There has to be one of those who would want to play a few years of ruck to stay in the AFL. They would be better movers too. I wonder if the AFL will move in that direction. Carlton seem to have.
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Your comments on Gawn are strange to say the least. Was the clear BOG, just because he got most of his stats in the ruck works against him?
Wow.
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Clayton Oliver approves.I think Melbourne supporters call them powder runs.
A damning story of the price paid by professional footballers for their footy clubs and the way the doctors at those footy clubs put their club's football needs above the health needs of the players.
This one is about Darren Jarman and the Adelaide crows 1997 premiership season.
All hope seemed lost for Adelaide in the 1997 preliminary final against the Western Bulldogs when they trailed by 31 points at half-time.
That was until Darren Jarman was sent forward – and the dynamic star finished with three goals and a direct hand in another, as the Crows conjured an epic two-point win at the MCG.
However, in the minutes after the siren, Jarman’s lawyer said on Friday, the champion did not even know who had won and that he had speared his side into its maiden grand final.
Adelaide sports lawyer Greg Griffin, a guest speaker at a concussion summit in Melbourne on Friday, used this as an example of why he claims the AFL had failed players on game day and in the recovery stages of serious head knocks.
“Darren, like all footballers, did what the coach says. He stayed on … he goes to the forward pocket. In the third quarter, he gets absolutely cleaned up again.
“He is concussed again – not to worry because that is life, he is a professional footballer.
“In the last quarter, he kicks two goals and hands out another one, and wins the game. After the game, the doctor walks up to him and says, ‘How do you feel?’ Darren looked at him, his response to that question was, ‘Who won?’
“He was flown home, brought back to play in the grand final against St Kilda, and kicked five in the last quarter. Adelaide Crows got a massive benefit from keeping Darren Jarman on the field that day. The question is, at what price was paid to Darren?”
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YouTube stream of yesterday's Concussion Summit held at Docklands for those interested:
This one is about Darren Jarman and the Adelaide crows 1997 premiership season.
All hope seemed lost for Adelaide in the 1997 preliminary final against the Western Bulldogs when they trailed by 31 points at half-time.
That was until Darren Jarman was sent forward – and the dynamic star finished with three goals and a direct hand in another, as the Crows conjured an epic two-point win at the MCG.
However, in the minutes after the siren, Jarman’s lawyer said on Friday, the champion did not even know who had won and that he had speared his side into its maiden grand final.
Adelaide sports lawyer Greg Griffin, a guest speaker at a concussion summit in Melbourne on Friday, used this as an example of why he claims the AFL had failed players on game day and in the recovery stages of serious head knocks.
“Darren, like all footballers, did what the coach says. He stayed on … he goes to the forward pocket. In the third quarter, he gets absolutely cleaned up again.
“He is concussed again – not to worry because that is life, he is a professional footballer.
“In the last quarter, he kicks two goals and hands out another one, and wins the game. After the game, the doctor walks up to him and says, ‘How do you feel?’ Darren looked at him, his response to that question was, ‘Who won?’
“He was flown home, brought back to play in the grand final against St Kilda, and kicked five in the last quarter. Adelaide Crows got a massive benefit from keeping Darren Jarman on the field that day. The question is, at what price was paid to Darren?”
Article:
When an AFL great could not remember his own finals heroics
Darren Jarman was knocked out in the 1997 preliminary final, but the Adelaide Crows’ star was still sent to the forward pocket where he was a match winner.
YouTube stream of yesterday's Concussion Summit held at Docklands for those interested:
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Think that's Dante. Dante is a KPF who Rucks has a high football IQ great work ethic and is coachable. Never going to be as pretty as Hayes but will tick everything else.
Yep. And with Lycett possibly on his last legs, the point of getting an experienced ruck in (like Grundy) for 1-2 years is to cover Dante as he develops.
Even dare I say Teakle.
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You missed my point and I didn’t express it very well either. It was more a comment about what the modern prototypical ruckman should be. A mobile extra mid type or lumbering extinct dinosaur?
I had a great school coach at Henley and he said a ruck does three things;
1, the tap
2, follows the tap up & assists the mids
3, sits a kick behind play & tries to intercept the long kick down the line.
Gawn is a traditional ruckman in my view who is great at all 3 & was clearly bog. He won most of his possessions doing 2 & a handful doing 3. But practically zero in general field play.
In modern footy good teams rarely kick long down the line so 3 is almost redundant, unless you are Fagans Brisbane lions. Eg Gawn had zero marks vs Port last outing.
It’s an interesting debate and not a new one, years ago Darryl Poole, a bulky chf carried a lot of the ruck duties for Ports, he would concede 1 and focus on 2, 3. Lycett is ok at 1, great at 2 & stinks at 3. Finlayson totally concedes 1 & focuses solely on 2 but actually does 4, which is linking up in field play.
You can probably add 5, which is resting in a forward pocket & kicking a few goals too, like lade/ Ryder but very few rucks can manage that these days & are a likely to be a liability as their opponent run off them.
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Where's the game day thread!?
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Game Day - Port v Carlton
We might be undermanned, but we’re back at our favourite ground, Brisbane choked again (LOL), Carr is still in the coaches box, & Carlton, let’s face it, will always be Carlton. Port in another thriller
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Was at the game with Lions supporting partner. Wow, the Lions just stopped. Gawn & Petracca were huge. Daniher is a big talent although he (& Hipwood) are hard to like.
Standard Vic. How did we get such a ridiculously hard draw given we finished 11th. Same answer.
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When was the last one trick pony ruck who got a lot of games?
At Port 20 years ago we had Lade who was handy resting forward as was Primus, plus Primus was also a beast that could rove himself and they had to change rules for him. Then there was Brogan who was handy at drifting back and taking marks in defence.
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Fremantle’s white shorts compounding the problem rather than helping
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Main thing about a ruck is they need to have a physical presence as a bloke with 10+kg and 30+cm wingspan difference over the majority of players around you. I don't mean whacking blokes but getting a hard ball, tackling, shepherding and making space for the mids, crashing packs defensively and nullifying your opponents influence as such.
Liken it to a Basketball centre.
Liken it to a Basketball centre.
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